First thing I want to show people is this: Charles Rogers last year: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=htt...imagesr&start=3 SCRAWNY Charles Rogers this year: http://www.mlive.com/lions/galleries/galle...y.ata?g_id=1762 NOT SO SCRAWNY I got the height/wieght of the teams official websites and this is what I came up with Bears... Muhsin Muhhamad----- 6'2 ----217 Eddie Berlin ---------- 5'11----195 Bobby Wade-----------5'10----192 Bernard Berrian---------6'1-----185 ave.------------------6'0-----197.25 Vikings Marcus Robinson.-------6'3-----215 Travis Taylor-----------6'1-----210 Nate Burleson----------6'0-----197 Troy Willimson---------6'1----203 ave.------------------6'1 1/4--206 Packers Javon Walker-----------6'3------215 Robert Furgerson-------6'1------210 Donald Driver----------6'0------190 Antonio Chatman-------5'9------183 ave.-----------------6'0 1/4-----199.5 Lions Mike WIlliams------------6'4------229 Charles Rogers-----------6'3------220 Roy Williams-------------6'2------212 Kevin Johnson------------5'11-----195 ave.---------------------6'2------214 Big Diffference and you cant say that the talent level isnt the same on the lions.... Opposing Defenses have a BIG problem
Only if one of your QBs steps it up, Harrington needs to finally breakout or Garcia needs to revive his old self, it all depends on there play.
Again wideouts can only do so much but if Harrington struggles the passing game struggles. Kevin Jones I think is going to carry the team for a bit until Harrington can find a rhythm. If he can.
The recievers could have huge numbers if they had a good QB. It doesnt matter how tall your guys are, if your QB doesnt have the accuracy to get them the ball then it doesnt matter.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'>Again wideouts can only do so much but if Harrington struggles the passing game struggles. Kevin Jones I think is going to carry the team for a bit until Harrington can find a rhythm. If he can.</div> Again the fact that we have these guys makes the QB's job easier. All we need is him to be average and Joey and Jeff can be that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lionbacker11)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'>Again wideouts can only do so much but if Harrington struggles the passing game struggles. Kevin Jones I think is going to carry the team for a bit until Harrington can find a rhythm. If he can.</div> Again the fact that we have these guys makes the QB's job easier. All we need is him to be average and Joey and Jeff can be that.</div> Sometimes a couple of great WR's can make an average QB look pretty good as long as the QB plays to his potential. It could work for the Lions, who knows.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBry07)</div><div class='quotemain'>Sometimes a couple of great WR's can make an average QB look pretty good as long as the QB plays to his potential. It could work for the Lions, who knows.</div> And sometimes an average QB looks just like that: average. I personally think Harrington is done. If he couldn't get it done last year, then I don't see why anyone would expect him to get it done this year with one more good WR. Even if Harrington starts out well, the moment he starts to struggle he's going to have that suspiscion in the back of his head wondering if he is going back to his old form.
a averge QB only looks good when he wins games. Lions dont have that great of a defense. Roethsberger was so good because he never lost a regular season game. He didnt throw for a lot of yards, but he had a great defense that won games for them. So if Harrington can win 9 games this season all this talk will stop about him being a bad QB
It starts week 1. If he can't beat the Packers with those wideouts. He will probably struggle until he is bench.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBry07)</div><div class='quotemain'>Sometimes a couple of great WR's can make an average QB look pretty good as long as the QB plays to his potential. It could work for the Lions, who knows.</div> And sometimes an average QB looks just like that: average. I personally think Harrington is done. If he couldn't get it done last year, then I don't see why anyone would expect him to get it done this year with one more good WR. Even if Harrington starts out well, the moment he starts to struggle he's going to have that suspiscion in the back of his head wondering if he is going back to his old form.</div> Wrong he has 3 better WR and a TE that can catch the ball. Charles Rogers is back from injury and when he has played he has been everything the lions drafted him for. Mike Williams is an a perfect slot reciever and will kill in the redzone this year. Roy Williams is healthy again and Kevin Johnson is a much better option than the likes of Scottie Vines. Plus add Pollard and you have a sure handed TE to go along with them. All in all CRog/Roy Williams/BMW/Kevin Johnson/Marcus Pollard absolutely blows away (Injured)Roy Williams/Az Hakim/Tai Streets/Reggie Swinton/Scottie Vines/Stephan Alexander. So I don't know how you could say if he didn't do it last year he can't do it this year. You can say that if he doesn't get it done this year than he never will anywhere. Our defense is underrated. Last year only Oakland's defense was on the field longer than ours. A lot of that had to do with Detroit not being able to sustain drives. The offense has improved in a BIG way and that will help the D stay rested. Plus they were severely banged up last year especially in the secondary. This year we have added depth and players are developing nicely.(Keith Smith, Terrence Holt) Our D- Liine is one of the best in the league and got better with the addition of Cody through the draft. Our linebackers are young fast and there is nice depth there with Alex Smith and James Davis. Davis may even end up taking over the WLB spot if Lehman beats out Holmes in the middle. And All Rookie Boss Bailey is back to man the SLB. All in all the pieces are in place here. This team will go as far as the play calling can get them.
I'm going to give Harrington this last year to prove himself. With the weapons he has at WR he should be able to get it done, as long as he steps up. If there is no improvement this year, then I think it would be safe to call him a bust. We'll have to wait and see what happens I guess.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JustBry07)</div><div class='quotemain'>I'm going to give Harrington this last year to prove himself. With the weapons he has at WR he should be able to get it done, as long as he steps up. If there is no improvement this year, then I think it would be safe to call him a bust. We'll have to wait and see what happens I guess.</div> That is exactly true. If he cant win with all these weapons than he can never win
Funny what difference perception means. Lets take a look at Joey harrington (who for some reason many consider a bust) and DAvid Carr (who many consider a star in the making). They were both drafted in the same year. Look at the stats Harrington: Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate 2002 Detroit Lions 14 12 429 215 50.1 2294 5.35 64 12 16 8/75 28 6 59.9 2003 Detroit Lions 16 16 554 309 55.8 2880 5.20 72 17 22 9/55 24 3 63.9 2004 Detroit Lions 16 16 489 274 56.0 3047 6.23 62 19 12 36/196 43 4 77.5 TOTAL 46 44 1472 798 54.2 8221 5.58 72 48 50 53/326 95 13 67.2 Carr Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate 2002 Houston Texans 16 16 444 233 52.5 2592 5.84 81 9 15 76/411 31 5 62.8 2003 Houston Texans 12 11 295 167 56.6 2013 6.82 78 9 13 15/90 22 5 69.5 2004 Houston Texans 16 16 466 285 61.2 3531 7.58 69 16 14 49/301 47 6 83.5 TOTAL 44 43 1205 685 56.8 8136 6.75 81 34 42 140/802 100 16 72.5 Their stats are virtually identical. I think people are to soon to drop the hammer on Harrington. I think he has talent, and mark my words, he will have a good year this year. Mariucci would be dumb, to go to Garcia, unless of injury.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lionbacker11)</div><div class='quotemain'>Wrong he has 3 better WR and a TE that can catch the ball. Charles Rogers is back from injury and when he has played he has been everything the lions drafted him for. Mike Williams is an a perfect slot reciever and will kill in the redzone this year. Roy Williams is healthy again and Kevin Johnson is a much better option than the likes of Scottie Vines. Plus add Pollard and you have a sure handed TE to go along with them. All in all CRog/Roy Williams/BMW/Kevin Johnson/Marcus Pollard absolutely blows away (Injured)Roy Williams/Az Hakim/Tai Streets/Reggie Swinton/Scottie Vines/Stephan Alexander. So I don't know how you could say if he didn't do it last year he can't do it this year. You can say that if he doesn't get it done this year than he never will anywhere.</div> Harrington's problems last year was not the fact that his receivers were not getting open or were dropping balls. His problem was that he couldn't deliver the ball. It doesn't matter how many talented receivers you have, if you can't throw the ball within 10 feet of your receive, they aren't going to catch it. I do think Harrington will do better this year...I just hate to see so much receiving talent wasted on a sub-par QB.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lionbacker11)</div><div class='quotemain'>Wrong he has 3 better WR and a TE that can catch the ball. Charles Rogers is back from injury and when he has played he has been everything the lions drafted him for. Mike Williams is an a perfect slot reciever and will kill in the redzone this year. Roy Williams is healthy again and Kevin Johnson is a much better option than the likes of Scottie Vines. Plus add Pollard and you have a sure handed TE to go along with them. All in all CRog/Roy Williams/BMW/Kevin Johnson/Marcus Pollard absolutely blows away (Injured)Roy Williams/Az Hakim/Tai Streets/Reggie Swinton/Scottie Vines/Stephan Alexander. So I don't know how you could say if he didn't do it last year he can't do it this year. You can say that if he doesn't get it done this year than he never will anywhere.</div> Harrington's problems last year was not the fact that his receivers were not getting open or were dropping balls. His problem was that he couldn't deliver the ball. It doesn't matter how many talented receivers you have, if you can't throw the ball within 10 feet of your receive, they aren't going to catch it. I do think Harrington will do better this year...I just hate to see so much receiving talent wasted on a sub-par QB.</div> Are you kidding? Did you watch any lions games? They had over 50 dropped balls last year if you go by what the lions statistions say. If you go by what stats. INC keep they had 36. Which was still so bad that they ranked in the bottom 5 in the league. The difference between the numbers is exactly what each considers a dropped ball. Obviously the lions are a little more liberal when they say what a drop is but that is neither here nor there.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lionbacker11)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lionbacker11)</div><div class='quotemain'>Wrong he has 3 better WR and a TE that can catch the ball. Charles Rogers is back from injury and when he has played he has been everything the lions drafted him for. Mike Williams is an a perfect slot reciever and will kill in the redzone this year. Roy Williams is healthy again and Kevin Johnson is a much better option than the likes of Scottie Vines. Plus add Pollard and you have a sure handed TE to go along with them. All in all CRog/Roy Williams/BMW/Kevin Johnson/Marcus Pollard absolutely blows away (Injured)Roy Williams/Az Hakim/Tai Streets/Reggie Swinton/Scottie Vines/Stephan Alexander. So I don't know how you could say if he didn't do it last year he can't do it this year. You can say that if he doesn't get it done this year than he never will anywhere.</div> Harrington's problems last year was not the fact that his receivers were not getting open or were dropping balls. His problem was that he couldn't deliver the ball. It doesn't matter how many talented receivers you have, if you can't throw the ball within 10 feet of your receive, they aren't going to catch it. I do think Harrington will do better this year...I just hate to see so much receiving talent wasted on a sub-par QB.</div> Are you kidding? Did you watch any lions games? They had over 50 dropped balls last year if you go by what the lions statistions say. If you go by what stats. INC keep they had 36. Which was still so bad that they ranked in the bottom 5 in the league. The difference between the numbers is exactly what each considers a dropped ball. Obviously the lions are a little more liberal when they say what a drop is but that is neither here nor there.</div> Harrington hasn't shown anything though. The best I saw out of him was his rookie year and after that it's been downhill. Even Good QB's on poor teams show potential. Harrington has showed close to none with his throws.
Carr has one good reciever, and one good RB. Carr was on a expansion team. Harrington was on a already established team. Harrington has move advatages than Carr does team wise, but Carr has show more talent than harrington
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lionbacker11)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vikingfan)</div><div class='quotemain'> Harrington's problems last year was not the fact that his receivers were not getting open or were dropping balls. His problem was that he couldn't deliver the ball. It doesn't matter how many talented receivers you have, if you can't throw the ball within 10 feet of your receive, they aren't going to catch it. I do think Harrington will do better this year...I just hate to see so much receiving talent wasted on a sub-par QB.</div> Are you kidding? Did you watch any lions games? They had over 50 dropped balls last year if you go by what the lions statistions say. If you go by what stats. INC keep they had 36. Which was still so bad that they ranked in the bottom 5 in the league. The difference between the numbers is exactly what each considers a dropped ball. Obviously the lions are a little more liberal when they say what a drop is but that is neither here nor there.</div> Harrington hasn't shown anything though. The best I saw out of him was his rookie year and after that it's been downhill. Even Good QB's on poor teams show potential. Harrington has showed close to none with his throws.</div> How about the game where he torchered your vikings defense last year for 360 yds and we lost on a botched PAT? How soon we forget... maybe you weren't watching. I sure as hell was. I would call that his best performance. Carr has had more weapons than Harrington. The lions may have been established but they have won 1 playoff game in over 50 yrs!!!! That is like saying that Alex Smith has a better team this year than Houston cause they have been around longer? It is illogical. Harrington had a good running back and WR for half of a year last year. That is it. You can't make that case for Carr. Johnson and Davis have been around and played well for a few years now. Plus he is so talented but look at his numbers compared to Harrington's. They are almost exactly the same. Now to clear something up. I don't even like Harrington. He has been a bust to this point. Any QB taken 3rd should do better than he has. But there are very few QB's that could have made what he had into a winning team. He isn't one of them as are most QB's in this league. But IMO he can do enough to spread the ball to these guys. And that is all we need him to do. And IF he can this offense will be good and it will put up some big numbers. And one more thing I don't think any NFL players like him either. When I watched the QB challenge it looked like he was the odd man out. Like no one really acknowledged his presence. It looked to me like your friends younger brother that always wanted the attention of the older kids. Maybe it was just me though.
