<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Psycho Drama:</div><div class="quote_post">Maxiell is 6'7 isn't he?</div> Official Draft Measurements Jason Maxiell: Height: 6' 5" Height (w/shoes): 6' 6?" Weight: 257.6 Wingspan: 7' 3?" Reach: 8' 11" <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">thanks so much for the update man!</div> No problem.
I've seen Eddie Badsen play a few times I was extremely disappointed that he went undrafted. I've seen some games from Alan Anderson but only heard/read about what happened in Chicago. I though he would have been a second round pick for sure with the hype he was getting. Two other surprises for me were Will Conroy (I really thought he had an outside chance) and Kennedy Winston (only because he was always listed as a late first round, early second round in drafts).
Maxiel is a defensive beast though - he is high energy, grabs every rebound and is a super shotblocker. He'll be a good fit in Detroit, as he is exactly the sort of player Joe Dumars loves to attract to his team. Height without shoes is irrelevant - you don't play in socks. He is on the sort side at a touch over 6'6, but I don't think it will matter too much with the way he plays. He's not going to be a consistent low post scorer, but the boy knows how to defend and spark a team defensively.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Sir Desmond:</div><div class="quote_post">Maxiel is a defensive beast though - he is high energy, grabs every rebound and is a super shotblocker. He'll be a good fit in Detroit, as he is exactly the sort of player Joe Dumars loves to attract to his team. Height without shoes is irrelevant - you don't play in socks. He is on the sort side at a touch over 6'6, but I don't think it will matter too much with the way he plays. He's not going to be a consistent low post scorer, but the boy knows how to defend and spark a team defensively.</div> Do you think he'll actually play in 1? inch thick shoes though, or do you think he was just wearing them for the measurements? I'd say that he's pushing 6-6 with shoes. Although he has a great wingspan for his size and a great reach, it doesn't make it any less hypocritical that he's a first round pick, yet Wilkinson isn't drafted because he's only 6-9.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">Do you think he'll actually play in 1? inch thick shoes though, or do you think he was just wearing them for the measurements? I'd say that he's pushing 6-6 with shoes. Although he has a great wingspan for his size and a great reach, it doesn't make it any less hypocritical that he's a first round pick, yet Wilkinson isn't drafted because he's only 6-9.</div> Since when has height been the be all and end all of the draft? Detroit obviously saw a player they thought would be a great fit, you can't say others should have been drafted on height when it's clear height wasn't a factor in the Pistons' decision.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Sir Desmond:</div><div class="quote_post">Since when has height been the be all and end all of the draft? Detroit obviously saw a player they thought would be a great fit, you can't say others should have been drafted on height when it's clear height wasn't a factor in the Pistons' decision.</div> You're proving my point man. Wilkinson WAS NOT picked because they said that height was too important, yet Maxiell at 6-5/6-6 was picked regardless.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Sir Desmond:</div><div class="quote_post">Since when has height been the be all and end all of the draft? </div> Dude, it's always been a huge factor. How many times have we seen a really good college player, like a 6'8 center or a 6'6 PF, who goes completely undrafted because he's "too short". Maxiel is a rare exception to the NBA rule. That's why it's hypocritical to have him get guaranteed cash as a 1st rounder, while other guys who are just as deserving (Wilkinson is an example), go undrafted, even though they are closer to the NBA cookie cutter image. Usually height is a major limit for a lot of college players. Look back the last few years. You'll find cases of good guys getting passed up for no reason other than size, and then to see Maxiel go much higher than other, just as deserving guys, it just doesn't make sense. But I guess this draft didn't make a ton of sense as a whole, either
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Schaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">Dude, it's always been a huge factor.</div> I know that, I'm just trying to make a point that you can't say it's hypocritical that Maxiell at 6'6 got drafted and Wilkinson didn't at 6'9 as VC posted, when height wasn't a factor in Detroit's pick.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Sir Desmond:</div><div class="quote_post">I know that, I'm just trying to make a point that you can't say it's hypocritical that Maxiell at 6'6 got drafted and Wilkinson didn't at 6'9 as VC posted, when height wasn't a factor in Detroit's pick.</div> Height may not have been a factor to detroit, but that's rare. looking at the NBA landscape, it's super rare for a guy who's undersized to get drafted over a guy who's 6'8 or 6'9. that's why it looks hypocritical to a lot of people. if detroit wasn't going on height, that's a major exception to the rule, and it makes us who are looking for other guys to get picked frustrated, becasue the one guy who lucks out and gets his shot is a guy who doesn't make much sense where he was taken. basicly, if detroit wasn't gonna base stuff on height, that's not normal, and it looks hypocritical when you look at the rest of the NBA. because all the other teams overlooked guys like wilkinson and chuck hayes etc because they're "too small" and maxiel was lucky enough to have fans in detroit. it sucks for everyone else and seems hypocritical when you look at the whole league.
Absolutely it's rare, but this thread is (from my perspective) reflecting negatively on Maxiell, and that's not fair.
M.a.t.t W.a.l.s.h he's dumb for hiring an agent and not being able to return to Florida, however, I see him finding his way onto an NBA team because he's such a good impact player.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Sir Desmond:</div><div class="quote_post">Absolutely it's rare, but this thread is (from my perspective) reflecting negatively on Maxiell, and that's not fair.</div> No, it's not negatively reflecting on Maxiell; it's negatively reflecting on the draft process.
Which in turn gives Maxiell a bad rap, like he somehow didn't deserve to be drafted over some guys who went undrafted. Just my impression, anyway.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">Kennedy Winston was one of my favourite players in the college game, so I'll be watching him. I hope the Bobcats invite him to the SPL, because they need a SG BAD.</div> Alan Anderson has signed to play with the Bobcats summer league team. Winston is as of now undecided where he'll play.
Jawad Williams Sean Banks John Gilchrist Eddie Basden Rawle Marshall Alan Anderson Mike Wilkinson I'd take anyone of these players and have them compete in practice and develope on my team. They all went undrafted, but all did so beacuse of major flaws. (in the eyes on NBA execs. Williams was a "tweener" (even though he shoots the outside shot wonderfully over 4 years.) Banks and Gilchrist were head cases (with not as much ability as McCants, cuz I know some of you will bark that out. Rashad wasnt kicked off his team or not asked to come back) Basden was a tad small for a 2 guard and Marshall, although brilliant in Chicago, was weak at just 185lbs (he's 6-7) and had no outside shot to speak of. Wilkinson, gotta love the family's alma matter, owever, he's just not athletic enough to solidify a pick. He will out hustle, out smart, and out work the next man, which is exactly why he was immediatly contacted by Utah. It would in no way shape or form suprise me to see him as the 12 man (or 13-15) on their roster come this winter.
I'm partial for Taylor Coppenrath. He wasnt talked much in the tread, i cant believe that he still isnt getting any love. I know he didnt WOW crowds at the workouts. But he did get his. I'm not saying that he will be the best of the undrafted players. I think he's going to be the most consistent of the undrafted players. He will be a solid bench and spot starter contirbutor.
Wilkinson not gettin drafted just sucks. the guy works super hard all the time and improved all the time in school and ppl dont seem to care. that sucks. he's a hard worker and that should get rewarded sometime instead of maxiel gettin picked because no way is maxiel the better player. no comparasin. and he gets a contract in the first round. now all the other guys like basden and wilkinson who work hard get screwed because detroit wants a system guy and they reach to pay him and all the other guys have to sit around in that summer league crap trying to get on a team when they probably deserve to get on now. thats dumb.
Pat Carroll is right up there with a bunxh of them. He led the NCAA in three pointers attemped ad three pointers made, while shooting better from beyomd the arc than jj reddik, why is jj definately an nba player when he comes out but carroll isn't?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Paul Bunyan:</div><div class="quote_post">Wilkinson not gettin drafted just sucks. the guy works super hard all the time and improved all the time in school and ppl dont seem to care. that sucks. he's a hard worker and that should get rewarded sometime instead of maxiel gettin picked because no way is maxiel the better player. no comparasin. and he gets a contract in the first round. now all the other guys like basden and wilkinson who work hard get screwed because detroit wants a system guy and they reach to pay him and all the other guys have to sit around in that summer league crap trying to get on a team when they probably deserve to get on now. thats dumb.</div> What makes you think Maxiell isn't a hard worker? He will do anything on the court to help his team.
It has to be Kennedy Winston, Jawad Williams, and people over looked Sun Ming Ming. The pistons could have used the last pick to draft anyone of these guys and they wouldve got quality players
