Yao is very high percentage shooter. What frustates me is how we use him sometimes. Here are a couple suggestions I would suggest: 1) GET YAO THE BALL EARLIER. So many times I watched the Rockets skip the first option and not give Yao the ball. By not giving him the ball early, he's wasting his energy trying to battle for positon again. 2) STOP RUNNNING PICK AND ROLL SO MUCH. I understand that Tmac and Yao are unstoppable. But we have to give Yao more touches on the block. The pick N roll is effective, but Jeff, you can't expect to run it EVERY time in a game. I mean, we act like Yao can't score on the block. Yao is UNSTOPPABLE in the post, not to mention he hits his free throws. I would say that Yao can be just as dominant as Shaq offensivley, but he has to get the ball more in the right spot. 3) GET YAO A JUMP HOOK. This is probably more on Yao, but the coaching staff needs to push this. Yao already has a jump hook, but he RARELY brings it out. It's still a high percentage shot, and it keeps his defender off balance so he can't push and shove Yao as much. With a reliable jump hook, he can be THE GREATEST. Nobody is going to block it. Nobody can stop it or slow it down. He should use it EVERY time he gets a chance. 4) MORE 4TH QUARTER TOUCHES. Let's face it. Tmac can't do it every time. I think we'll take alot of pressure off Tracy if we give our 7'6 allstar center a chance to win a game. Tmac is only human. What are suggestions on how we should use Yao better?
couldnt have said it better myself, yao is that second best center in the league which means that hes a mismatch for 99% of the league and i expect him to put up some really big numbers next year really off topic but how do I make my own threads? thanks <font color="red">The 'edit' feature is our friend. Thanks ~Trip</font>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rockfan06:</div><div class="quote_post">Yao is very high percentage shooter. What frustates me is how we use him sometimes. Here are a couple suggestions I would suggest: 1) GET YAO THE BALL EARLIER. So many times I watched the Rockets skip the first option and not give Yao the ball. By not giving him the ball early, he's wasting his energy trying to battle for positon again. 2) STOP RUNNNING PICK AND ROLL SO MUCH. I understand that Tmac and Yao are unstoppable. But we have to give Yao more touches on the block. The pick N roll is effective, but Jeff, you can't expect to run it EVERY time in a game. I mean, we act like Yao can't score on the block. Yao is UNSTOPPABLE in the post, not to mention he hits his free throws. I would say that Yao can be just as dominant as Shaq offensivley, but he has to get the ball more in the right spot. 3) GET YAO A JUMP HOOK. This is probably more on Yao, but the coaching staff needs to push this. Yao already has a jump hook, but he RARELY brings it out. It's still a high percentage shot, and it keeps his defender off balance so he can't push and shove Yao as much. With a reliable jump hook, he can be THE GREATEST. Nobody is going to block it. Nobody can stop it or slow it down. He should use it EVERY time he gets a chance. 4) MORE 4TH QUARTER TOUCHES. Let's face it. Tmac can't do it every time. I think we'll take alot of pressure off Tracy if we give our 7'6 allstar center a chance to win a game. Tmac is only human. What are suggestions on how we should use Yao better?</div> Don't agree with number 2 at all. We should keep using the Pick N Roll until some team learns how to actually defend it. When that happens, just bang it into Yao. Yao's bring frame allows him to split double teams when setting the pick. As long as we have some shooters who can rotate around the arc, we should run it. The only way we can tell if Yao is Fourth Quarter ready is if we get him the ball early (like you said), and for that to happen, we should really let Yao do his thing for the First Half or so, then let Tracy do his stuff from some point in the Second Quarter on. By the start of the Fourth, hopefully we should be able to work both of them in the game, and use their strengths to our advantage. Getting Yao a Hook Shot is a good point, but I would say let him do what's comfortable for him. If he takes turnarounds the whole game, they are basically unstoppable, it's just when he tries laying it in he gets hammered and all that. He doesn't really have any go-to post up move, so for him to learn the Hook Shot would be good for him, and us. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">really off topic but how do I make my own threads? thanks</div>
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just keep playing the way you guys played last season just Yao needs to stay out of foul trouble and then he can contribute more
I disagree with #2...you can trust that the pick-and-roll will become the Rockets' pet play as long as TMac and Yao are together...I just think Yao needs to learn to stay out of foul trouble and to play smarter...he also needs to stop shooting fadeaways and just attack the basket...he tends to rely on his finesse more so than his height and muscle, and thats whats been hurting him...
What frustrates me is how sometimes JVG takes Yao out of the game just when he's about to get hot and finding his shot again i mean come on keep him in a bit longer but mostly for me the answer should be how to keep Yao out of foul trouble? This question frustrates the most because the only thing that's keeping him from playing to his potential is the constant whistles blown against him. Something has got to be done about that issue.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Shooter:</div><div class="quote_post">I disagree with #2...you can trust that the pick-and-roll will become the Rockets' pet play as long as TMac and Yao are together...I just think Yao needs to learn to stay out of foul trouble and to play smarter...he also needs to stop shooting fadeaways and just attack the basket...he tends to rely on his finesse more so than his height and muscle, and thats whats been hurting him...</div> At this moment in his career I'd disagree. Yao is always compared to Shaq which isn't right because he isnt the same type of player. Yao has always been better when playing wityh finesse rather than power. Thats not to say that he shouldn't play stronger, but from where he is at right now, Yao is better off making his turn arounds. He is not yet strong enough to bang down low. As he trains and gains muscle he may increasingly turn to power moves, but its fine for him to finesse the ball right now.
Yao has a target on his back in the eyes of both the referees and opponents. Because of his size, any infraction could be spotted and thus he gets a lot of fouls called on him. Players love to dunk on him and strive to block his shots because of Yao's size as well, and I also suspect race being a factor. Because of it, if Yao attacks the basket all the time, he'd get hard fouls or called for the offensive. Would we really want Yao being hurt because of all the times he gets chopped? I don't care what it is that Yao does; if he can get two points through either a fadeaway or a dunk, then it doesn't matter. I also agree that we should keep running the PnR. The team seems to do best when Yao and TMac do it and that was basically our saving grace during the playoffs in game 7. Teams can't handle it, as Yao can either run to the basket after setting the pick or stay outside so that McGrady has space to drive. McGrady is also a great shooter off that pick, and is excellent at finding Yao when Yao does move to the hoop.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">it and that was basically our saving grace during the playoffs in game 7.</div> wow...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting THE DREAM:</div><div class="quote_post">I actually agree with most of what you said.</div> LOL. Why wouldn't you. But as far using Yao in Pick N Roll, it is effective to some degree. But I think Yao needs more touches in the post. Being a center, it would be nice to see him down on the block. I also like the picknroll with Juwan Howard. The percentages say that teams that work inside out are highly more effective.
I agree with you in that we would eventually need to work around Yao, but right now in his career, it just won't be a smart move. Yao cannot play like an Olajuwon or a Tim Duncan yet. He still has growing pains and gets stripped easily in the post. McGrady is too good a player to let him become second fiddle to Yao. Last year, it was what we did and it resulted in Steve Francis imploding, and not too much of a stastical improvement in Yao's performance if you take into the account the system. In two years, if Yao can show signs of becoming a consistent post presence, then it would be sensible to slowly work towards becoming more of an inside-out team.
I've said this before, and I'll say it again: What if we try to use Yao the way that Adelman uses Brad Miller? Yao is an exceptional shooter from the mid-range and an excellent passer. So why not run a high post offense like the Kings of 2003-2004 with Yao? It'll not only be easier for Yao because he doesn't have to fight for post position all the time (meaning less foul prone for Yao), less banging on the low post means Yao can conserve his energy more, which leads to.. more minutes! We all know Yao's game isn't Shaq-like. So why not try a high-post offense where he's naturally good at? I seem to be the lone voice in this matter.. I've posted this suggestion time and time again since probably a year or 2 ago, and nobody seems to have bothered to comment on it... Any inputs???
SupraJames, I do agree with you to a point. This may very wrong or very right. Yao Ming, is more of a true center than Brad Miller. Miller could hit his shots but, Yao is 7'6" he should be able to domiant 2 steps inside the paint. That's just me. I do agree maybe doing a little bit of the Mid-Range shots like we do already but, I believe Yao is more true of a center than Miller.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SupraJames:</div><div class="quote_post">I've said this before, and I'll say it again: What if we try to use Yao the way that Adelman uses Brad Miller? Yao is an exceptional shooter from the mid-range and an excellent passer. So why not run a high post offense like the Kings of 2003-2004 with Yao? It'll not only be easier for Yao because he doesn't have to fight for post position all the time (meaning less foul prone for Yao), less banging on the low post means Yao can conserve his energy more, which leads to.. more minutes! We all know Yao's game isn't Shaq-like. So why not try a high-post offense where he's naturally good at? I seem to be the lone voice in this matter.. I've posted this suggestion time and time again since probably a year or 2 ago, and nobody seems to have bothered to comment on it... Any inputs???</div> jmc1, a poster who occasionally visits, has voiced his views on this as well, meaning playing Yao on the high post and taking advantage of his midrange shot and passing skills. I've voiced my opinion on this before and I'll just repeat it. I think that the team is not doing it isn't because of Van Gundy's lack of trust in Yao. I feel that it's because we have no one else down low to grab offensive rebounds. If Yao had missed the shot, then we would basically have no chance of getting the ball back, as Howard is far away from being an offensive rebounder as good as Yao. It's also because of Yao's height and dribbling skills, or lack thereof. Miller is able to use the high post style so effectively is because he has great handles and is very adept at protecting the ball on the dribble. Yao is not. He never dribbles the ball when guarded face up and I doubt he will 20 feet away from the basket. Therefore, it takes away the triple threat advantage and makes Yao's next moves very easy to predict. In the future, with a consistent offensive rebounder, I think that maybe we could progressively move into letting Yao take more of those mid range shots but right now, when Howard is our only other low post rebounder, it isn't our best option. A guy like Chris Andersen or Tyson Chandler would be perfecy compliments to this type of strategy.
My whole point was to use more creative ways of getting Yao the ball. In the playoffs, we didn't utilize all the ways of getting Yao the rock. We ran picknroll 98% of the time. I would rather see a little bit of everything. Especially when Tracy went out of the game. That's one thing we need to look foward to this year, is find more ways of getting Yao shots other than picknroll.
We also dump the ball to Yao in the post and let him work from there. There really isn't anything else to do besides pick and roll, high post and low post. Shaq always gets the ball in the low post, and look how successful he's been. I agree that Yao, with his lack of power, would be better off on the perimeter but for what he lacks in strength, he makes up in height. Defenders might push him out of the low post but he can still get a shot up and over them.
Yes i agree early he doese most of the damage and also sometimes he doese it later i agree with most of those
