<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Da_Future_2k5:</div><div class="quote_post">yeah right. Haslem on his best day isnt as good as Reef on his worst. learn your basketball son</div> Coming from a guy who said at the start of the playoffs "the east playoffs are over" when the Heat were beating up on the lower tier teams. You have no room to tell anyone else to learn their basketball. I would expect Shareef to be at close to his 20 and 9 career averages with Jason Kidd. Depends If RJ and Vince are willing to not score as much. With SAR the ball will go into the paint alot more. This would be a good fit for both sides.
I don't know if the ball will go in the paint a lot more. SAR isn't really a low post guy, while he can play there, he's more comfortable facing up and using his mid-range game as opposed to getting down and dirty inside. He will give them much needed scoring from the big man positions though [Kristic was doing pretty good himself], and would be a HUGE upgrade over Jason Collins.
Just because he isn't a big time post player doesn't mean he won't demand the ball in the paint. He likes to face up and hit those running hooks in the lane. He does spend most of his time from around 15 feet but has habit of being on the block to face up. Thats one way he likes to play and having Jason Kidd to pass you the ball, he will be in the same kind of position Kenyon Martin was. Who also isn't a known post player.
I think we will run some plays thru him in the post........but they wont always be plays for him to score...I think we can use him as a post passer as well similar to the way we used K-Mart a couple of years ago...put the bal in reefs hands 10-12 feet away from the basket and keep our wings continously slashing...before it was Jefferson and Kittles with K-mart...now it will be Jefferson and Vince with Reef....it will bring back our motion offense in the half-court which was lost last year with out even a threat of having someone who can go into the low post. All-net, to be honest 20ppg still sounds high for him to me...our game will still be centered around the running still which means Carter & Jefferson will have the ball in their hands& see alot more touches then Shareef. 20ppg is alot from a third scorer, only way I see Reef averaging 20ppg is if Richard Jefferson scarafices some of his offense(cause I doubt Vince will to much). And for the person who said that Reef would automatically start over Haslem in Miami that is definately false. It wont be a situation of who is better, it would be a situation of who is a better fit playing along Shaq. And last season Haslem proved that he was willing to make up for some of Shaq's shortcomings, like his sometimes lack of wanting to be a help defender....in the playoffs Haslem made up for that by covering alot of ground in the playoffs as a help defender....also a guy like Rahim would fit better in Miami's 2nd unit where he can be an offensive focus point, which he wouldnt be playing alongside Shaq...but playing alongside Zo in the 2nd unit Reef can get his touches...so Miami would go based on fit...and to me that would give Haslem a good chance of staying in the starting lineup over Shareef, at least to start the year coming out of training camp.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Henacy:</div><div class="quote_post"> And for the person who said that Reef would automatically start over Haslem in Miami that is definately false. It wont be a situation of who is better, it would be a situation of who is a better fit playing along Shaq. And last season Haslem proved that he was willing to make up for some of Shaq's shortcomings, like his sometimes lack of wanting to be a help defender....in the playoffs Haslem made up for that by covering alot of ground in the playoffs as a help defender....also a guy like Rahim would fit better in Miami's 2nd unit where he can be an offensive focus point, which he wouldnt be playing alongside Shaq...but playing alongside Zo in the 2nd unit Reef can get his touches...so Miami would go based on fit...and to me that would give Haslem a good chance of staying in the starting lineup over Shareef, at least to start the year coming out of training camp.</div> That's probably why he won't go to Miami, because he will want to start. I thin that the only way that he will come to Miami is either if he will get a starting role or Haslem cashes in somwhere else.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Nets got good news when Shareef Abdur-Rahim turned down a $47 million pact to join the Milwaukee Bucks, according to his agent</div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Nets can not afford to wait too long for Abdur-Rahim, who currently visiting the Sacramento Kings, to makeup his mind. Their trade exception expires on July 29 and free agent power forwards Donyell Marshall and Stromile Swift-the Nets' second options-might be off the market.</div> nydailynews.com ------------- Not really a shocker that he isnt chosing to go to Mil-town, they are trying to build up a young nucleous of players. And it will take them a while to mesh inorder to be legitimate contenders....and the coaching situation that went on makes them alot less attractive to veteran free angents. Anyway, I think the last part of the article is key...the worst thing that can happen to the Nets is they wait for answer to long from Shareef and lose out on Marshall(who the Knicks want) or Swift(who the Knicks, Rockets and a few other teams are interested in)....New Jersey needs an answer by next week or should start to move on to either Marshall or Swift before they slip away. And the Nets end up with nothing.
The Nets may need to do better than the midlevel exception to get Shareef Abdur-Rahim. Aaron Goodwin, Abdur-Rahim's agent, said the Nets must convince Portland to take their $4.9 million trade exception in a sign-and-trade if they want to land the free agent forward. "It has to be a sign-and-trade," Goodwin said. "There are quite a few teams offering the midlevel. For Shareef to come, he definitely would have to get that trade exception, and get the full extent of that trade exception." The full extent would be a six-year, $38 million deal, as opposed to a five-year, $28 million pact via the midlevel. Abdur-Rahim already turned down a five-year, $47 million offer from the Bucks, who then gave it to Bobby Simmons. Abdur-Rahim, who visited the Nets last week, was in Sacramento on Sunday. He could go to another city later this week. Miami, San Antonio and Houston are among the teams expressing interest. The Nets don't want to lose out on other free agent big men such as Donyell Marshall and Stromile Swift while they wait. They also would like to get penetrating guard Keyon Dooling and perhaps Darius Songaila in free agency. Nets president Rod Thorn said it's "certainly possible" that the Nets could give Abdur-Rahim a deadline to decide, or they could step up the pursuit of the other free agents. "We're talking, and that's the extent of it," Goodwin said. "I don't look at it as a situation where they can really deliver too much of an ultimatum. Shareef is looking at it as a great opportunity. But if he walked away from $47 million, I'm sure he'd walk away from [$38 million] for a longer period of time." THE GOOD NEWS: Rahim turn down the bucks offer so were still in the game! VERY BAD NEWS: Rahim turned down a 47 Million in 5 yr. contact. so it bothers me that he might not accept the 38 Million 6 yr. contract that the NETS is offering him! does this mean we should move to option # 2!???
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting jkidd:</div><div class="quote_post">VERY BAD NEWS: Rahim turned down a 47 Million in 5 yr. contact. so it bothers me that he might not accept the 38 Million 6 yr. contract that the NETS is offering him!</div> Honestly I would consider that as good news. Probably no other team would offer him that kind of money anymore at this point, and it seems SAR is more focused on winning.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting giftedvisionz:</div><div class="quote_post">Honestly I would consider that as good news. Probably no other team would offer him that kind of money anymore at this point, and it seems SAR is more focused on winning.</div> i hope it turns in our favor. coz if SAR is more focused on winning and less on the money, there are more teams out there( miami,spurs)that can give him a better chance of winning. so im just crossing my fingers right now and holding my breath!
Yes him turning down 47 million dollars from the Bucks was a good thing because it tells us that Shareef is more focused on winning, which the Bucks probably wont be doing much of as they try to mesh all their young new parts together with Bogut, Simmons and Redd coming back etc. If Shareef would have turned down 47 million from a team that makes the playoffs consistenly year in & year out like Sacramento who has been to the playoffs for about 4 years straight....then it would make you wonder a bit. But the Bucks have been struggling with alot of change in player & coaching personal over the past couple of years. He probably doesnt know what direction that franchise is headed.
either that or he just doesnt want to be a buck. i think he is thinkin either thinkin of signin wit miami, spurs,kings or the nets
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Thorn: 'I'm not giving a No. 1 pick' to get Abdur-Rahim Wednesday, July 13, 2005 BY DAVE D'ALESSANDRO Star-Ledger Staff The Nets have already invested a great deal of time, energy and fawning attention toward the recruitment of Shareef Abdur-Rahim in the past 13 days, but the one thing they are not prepared to pay is the price of a first-round draft pick, Rod Thorn reiterated last night. The Nets president said he did not speak yesterday with Portland general manager John Nash, who is holding the Nets up for a No. 1 pick in exchange for agreeing to do a sign-and-trade deal that will get the free-agent forward the $37 million contract he believes he deserves. Thorn is eager to give Abdur-Rahim his market value. He just doesn't want to give in to Nash and Blazers owner Paul Allen, who seem just as eager to let Abdur-Rahim leave Portland without compensation they could have in the form of a $4.9 million trade exception that can be used in future deals. The only question is this: Don't the Nets believe Abdur-Rahim is worth the price of a first-round pick, especially since they have two of them? "That's fair. Everyone looks at things differently," Thorn said last night from Las Vegas. "But I'm not interested in giving up one of our No. 1 picks, I'll say that." http://www.nj.com/nets/ledger/index.ssf?/b...8810.xml&coll=1</div> The situation looks a bit dimmer now. As long as we pull out SAR, Swift, or Marshall then i'm happy.
I don't understnad why Thorn won't give up our next years no.1 pick. We'd still have the Clippers pick, and that would be a far higher pick than ours b/c we will likely do considerably better than the Clips next year. Plus, the draft next year isn't supposed to be that deep neway...we only need one pick in it. We gotta start playin for the present than the future b/c Jason isn't gettin any younger. Maybe Thorn trying to wait until the last possible second to give in to Portland or Portland is doing the same to us, but either way, we HAVE to get either SAR, Swift or Marshall.
I think that if Thorn has to, he'll give up the Pick...right now, he might just be saying that he won't give up the pick, as a way of negotiating with Portland or any other team for that matter.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NbaBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">well hearin that from you makes me happy. if they sign and everythin goes well, i think they will be a very good team, hopefully one of the top teams.</div> if they sign shareef, u gotta change ur sig to the big 4 instead of the big 3.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">July 13, 2005 -- What the Nets want to give, the Blazers don't want, and what the Blazers want, the Nets won't give. So Nets brass, while still placing Shareef Abdur-Rahim atop its power-forward wish list, stepped up a contingency scenario by meeting yesterday in Las Vegas with Memphis free agent Stromile Swift. The Nets' approach has been to try to land Abdur-Rahim from Portland through a sign-and-trade with their $4.9 trade exception and a second-round draft pick, but the Blazers are adamant that they have no interest in the trade exception and want a No. 1. Conversely, the Nets are loathe to part with a No. 1 pick. Nets president Rod Thorn, in Las Vegas, had no additional talks with Portland and claimed the situation was "nowhere." While Thorn declined to reveal any particulars of his previous talks, he indicated it would be "fair to say" he would not part with any first-round pick, including a 2007 pick that Blazers GM John Nash indicated could get it done. The Blazers could lose Abdur-Rahim and get nothing in return if he takes a mid-level exception offer. </div> Shareef on Hold, Focus Switches to Swift
Well I think you have to look at the broad scope of things when viewing why the Nets dont want to give up a first rounder in a sign & trade. One, is the fact that Rahim is unrestricted, the Nets are just doing the sign & trade as means of putting more money into Rahim's pockets, its not like they are doing this because Portland wants Rahim & is willing to match their offer. Also combine that with the fact that their are other forwards interested in New Jersey & vice versa....who can help this team most notably Swift & Marshall, so Thorn doesnt want to hamper anything that may effect long term goals for a chance at immediate success. And that leads me to point #2. #2, The Nets being a championship contender is not given even with the acquistion of Shareef. This team still has alot of holes that need to be filled. And a 1st round pick can be used as part of another deal to help fill in the other weakness. Or you can end up using that 1st rounder yourself next season...I know the Nets are a win now team...but that doesnt mean that they have to put everything into winning the championship in 2005-06 or its a failure. I think the Nets window of "win now" is about a 3 year window, because that is how long I think Kidd can still be effective. So you might have a pieace or two in next years draft that can help you achive that ultimate championship goal, if another part to the puzzle needs to be added. I agree with Rod Thorn not giving up to much because you dont want to put a bunch of eggs in one basket so to speak, leave your options open to continue to make moves. I think a coulpe of 2nd rounders & the TE is what should be given to acquire Rahim in a sign & trade.
Well Haslem gave his word on re signing with the Heat so as long as Reef is committed to winning and doing a major role about it as a starter, we're still in the running. No matter who they get, Reef or Swift, they'll still a need for another contributor. So that 1st rounder is kinda important to us. I mean I'm not expecting Thorn to get Reef and stop at it. I'd prefer that we get Swift and get to keep our 1st rounder.
