<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Lakers have taken another bold step to remake their roster, agreeing in principle on a trade that would bring forward-center Kwame Brown from the Washington Wizards and would send Caron Butler and likely Chucky Atkins to Washington.</div>Emplay says this is just about official, its just paperwork now. But apparently Jerry West @ Memphis is making a push for Kwame in exchange for Lorenzen Wright + picks. Read more...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mel JBB:</div><div class="quote_post">Emplay says this is just about official, its just paperwork now. But apparently Jerry West @ Memphis is making a push for Kwame in exchange for Lorenzen Wright + picks. Read more...</div> Hope this works out. He better be the next J O'neal!
This is pretty much official, and trust me fellas...I've seen Kwame play...when given 10 shots a game (2-3 a quarter), he can be a solid 17 and 9 guy. Just trust me on this one, this is a great trade for the Lakers.
Well this gives the Lakers a pretty big lineup now. Although none of them are very big in bulk, we have a lot of height to offer in the lineup. We have a 7 foot skinny center in Mihm, a very good sized 6'11 PF in Brown, and a 6'10 SF that will create many mismatches. To go along with that we got Kobe and possibly a 6'4 PG coming in Daniels. I'm lookin forward to seeing what kind of damage that lineup can do.
Its for the best interest of both the Lakers and Caron....the Lakers address one of their needs (hopefully) and Caron will get the opportunity to show his all-star abilities. It'd be depressing for Caron to play thru the season knowing that he could be traded at any moment.
I dont see how this is a really good trade for the lakers. caron was a pretty good player who was versatile and might finally really step up. kwame's a quitter who hasnt shown much maturity and it seems like the lakers have a long history of good guys on their team like magic and worthy and ac green you know, guys who wanted to win and be special and kwame doesnt fit with that track record of good guys. i dont think i would be too excited about this pickup if i were a laker fan cuz kwame isnt the kinda guy thats a laker type who wants to win more than anything else and he seems like he wants to just act like a kid and be happy that once upon a time he was a #1 pick. i think the lakers would have been smarter to either keep caron or trade him for someone who is more mature and would help them win and be a lakers type of guy.
I bet Caron Butler is tired of getting moved around but he is going to a pretty solid environment in Washington and I think he has more potential to shine in a Wizards uniform. This deal is pretty good for the Lakers, they are doing a solid job at strengthen their frontcourt, hopefully for LA Brown will turn out to be one of those late bloomers.
I am blown away by this move, and not in a good way. I know a lot of people expect Brown to possibly become the next Jermaine O?Neal, but the difference between Jermaine and Brown?s cases. For one O?Neal never got a shot in Portland, and Brown got more than an opportunity in Washington he let the team down as a starter, bench player, and a guy they looked to for presence inside. Another thing I'm wondering about is why are the Lakers getting all these project players first Bynum then Brown Phil Jackson only has a three year deal how long do they plan on waiting for these guys to develop. Kwame also is not really that emotionally stable if playing with MJ and being coached by Doug Collins intimidated him wait until he meets Mr. Jackson and Kobe.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Well this gives the Lakers a pretty big lineup now. Although none of them are very big in bulk, we have a lot of height to offer in the lineup. We have a 7 foot skinny center in Mihm, a very good sized 6'11 PF in Brown, and a 6'10 SF that will create many mismatches. To go along with that we got Kobe and possibly a 6'4 PG coming in Daniels. I'm lookin forward to seeing what kind of damage that lineup can do.</div> I know most people make this mistake, but Kwame is 7'0"5, they just didn't change it on NBA.com, but that's what he measured in training camp, and Odom is actually supposed to be closer to 6'11 than 6'10.
^ that's great, helps my case even more. I'm looking forward to the Lakers now being the bigger team whereas last year they were a small one.
if they get daniels the lakers are going to be a huge team that create mismatches at multiple positions. All this talk about the big men on the team, everyone seems to forget that we STILL have one of the best players in the leage so things can't go that bad....I know I know..last year wasn't pretty, but thats why this trade makes sense. Last year is the best reason why we needed to move either Lamar or Caron, it didn't work. Something had to change.Someone earlier said they didn't think this trade was a good one for the lakers, and that we should have waited to see how Caron and Lamar worked out, or got something better for Caron.What else was there on the market besides bloated contracts? There were talks of boozer of Caron earlier in the year, but think about the contract we'd be taking on... it was ginormous. Kwame is a steal at the price and the length of his contract. He's a risk, but not a huge one. Also, I belive that there is no reason for concern about Kwame and Bynum. I beleive Kwame is going to take tremendous pride in trying to re-establish himself, and is going to put in the work it takes. He know's his first four years haven't been anything to brag about so he's going to take Bynum under his wing and tell him the do's and don'ts. I think together they will blossom to create a solid starter and bench duo.
imagine if washington asked for a PF for a PF? we would lose odom for brown..good thing they needed a SF or a 2-guard..so they took butler for brown. if butler stayed and odom gone, we would have a 6'7" SF compared to a 6'10" SF in odom. i think it was smart of the lakers to seize the opportunity. odom will now play at SF where he would outplay other smaller SF's. wejust need a PG
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">if they get daniels the lakers are going to be a huge team that create mismatches at multiple positions.</div> The problem is that they'll have no true playmaker/passer. While Daniels can play point, he's better as a backup PG/SG, and he's more of a score first PG. It would be better for the Lakers to look to getting someone like Earl Watson, or another pass first PG. Maybe look to trade for a guy like Speedy Claxton.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">imagine if washington asked for a PF for a PF? we would lose odom for brown..good thing they needed a SF or a 2-guard..so they took butler for brown. </div> If the trade was Odom for Brown, we wouldn't accept it in a million years. What people also don't seem to understand is that Kwame is an IF. If he screws up, we are screwed up. At least with Caron, you know he has proven himself to step up when he needs to. I don't care how much potential Kwame has. He hasn't proven himself and thats a fact. Even though he may have been in a troubled spot in DC, there was no reason for him to fail and act out like he did. Caron has gone through tough times himself and look at the way he carries himself. Until Kwame proves himself, he shouldn't be given the blessing to join the Lakers. We shouldn't be taking a risk, look where that got us last year. Kwame may have bigger potential than Caron but Caron is currently the better player. Size means nothing. Look at Yao Ming, he's 7'5 and he gets bullied by people 6'11. Caron is the best fit for the team. If we put him at point, with Kobe at SG, Lamar at SF and Ronny at PF with Bynum at C, it will be better than last year, not to mention the addition of the Zen. Size won't be a factor as Caron and Lamar will be much bigger than their opposition. A 6'7 point guard. Imagine that. Caron>Kwame=FACT.
Laker_fan nice breakdown, but out of curiosity if the Lakers did not do this trade, would you re-sign Caron Butler at a max deal next summer?
I think the triangle will take care of itself for setting up plays, along with the fact their have been talks of bringing T. Lue back. Also, I don't see Caron playing PG. They would have tried it already and plus- he would be a huge defensive liability. AI, Nash, my sister- would all blow right by the bigger gaurd.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Laker_fan nice breakdown, but out of curiosity if the Lakers did not do this trade, would you re-sign Caron Butler at a max deal next summer?</div> Thanks shapecity. It all depends on how he performs this year. If we get into the second round of the playoffs then hell yeah, why not? Otherwise, its trading time. Would he ask for a max deal though? We could always ask him to take a pay cut. He loves the Lakers and you can tell he does, so why wouldn't he do so in the best interests of the team? I wouldn't mind paying him 5 mill. Caron is a fan favourate energy type player that has a great relationship with the team. This is really important in franchises. You need that player who gives it his all, all the time and feeds off the fans. Caron was definatly beginning to do that as last season drew to a close. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">They would have tried it already</div> I don't seem to recall them trying Caron at point. With a better team and the zen, how can he go wrong? He's already lost 15 pounds and he gets up at 5am and trains. Its not always about the better player, its about the player who gives it his best night in night out and will never quit. Caron's life is self explanitory of the type of character he would be on the court, a determined player who earns his money. Caron is one of the new faces of the Lakers that we haven't seen before, the hustlers who are slighter lower in potential but give it their all and win games. The way I see it when it comes to Caron vs Kwame is this: Work ethic & proven abilities > potential abilities.
