I don't respect those players who make a commitment to play and don't show up, especially for a charity game no less. Unless they have a valid reason which I doubt any of these guys do. All I can say is, I could never see Nash making a commitment for something like this and not showing up, which tells you the kind of person he is. You would expect that Amare would show up at the very least considering how much Nash has done for him and his career ($).
Props to Nash for putting this on...regardless of who showed up and who didnt. It was shorter notice so i think next years will be better. But still Nash is Mr. Canada, he always has been, even when a 6'6 cry baby was in the role, it was still all Nash.
Ya its too bad some like amare didnt show up cause he's pretty close to nash. But just heads up, you can catch the charity game on sportsnet, august 13th.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You would expect that Amare would show up at the very least considering how much Nash has done for him and his career ($). </div> It's not like Amare wasn't going to get paid anyways, he was already a 20-9 player the previous year. Finley was there, but some said he was injured, but the other guys, meh, I heard it wasn't that full though...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">It's not like Amare wasn't going to get paid anyways, he was already a 20-9 player the previous year. Finley was there, but some said he was injured, but the other guys, meh, I heard it wasn't that full though...</div> He would have gotten paid but because of Nash he's viewed as one of the elite players in the league. I'm not so sure that he would have gotten there without the help of Nash. Those six extra points and the 80 point improvement in his fg% can be directly attributed to Nash. IMO he depends too much on his athletism. He doesn't play with his back to the basket particularily well and his jumpshot needs improvement.
Hey, if he can athletically score 24 PPG, it's pretty good. His jumpshot also isn't as bad as some people make it our to be, it's actually pretty good. It was decent in 03-04, he could hit it once in a while, and this past season, you couldn't leave him open and just give him the shot. He even has 3PT range, though not consistent, but he can step out and hit it. The last game of the season, he went 2-2 from 3PT range even.
Eclipse <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't respect those players who make a commitment to play and don't show up</div> Then why's VC your favourite player?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mr.Wade:</div><div class="quote_post">Eclipse Then why's VC your favourite player? </div>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mr.Wade:</div><div class="quote_post">Eclipse Then why's VC your favourite player? </div> I've supported him since he came in the league, I'm not going to stop now. He's done some questionable things that I might not agree with but that doesn't mean I'm not going to like him anymore. Does Michael Jordan's failed comeback with the Wizards make you think any less of him or his basketball skills? No.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Hey, if he can athletically score 24 PPG, it's pretty good. His jumpshot also isn't as bad as some people make it our to be, it's actually pretty good. It was decent in 03-04, he could hit it once in a while, and this past season, you couldn't leave him open and just give him the shot. </div> When did he score 24 PPG? My point is that he depends too much on his athletism to get his points instead of working on the fundamentals like having a decent post game. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post"> He even has 3PT range, though not consistent, but he can step out and hit it. The last game of the season, he went 2-2 from 3PT range even.</div> I'm not sure how you can say that going 3-16 (1-14 not including that last game you mentioned) in a season and 6-31 for his career can be considered having "3PT" range. Most NBA players would be able to make 20% of their 3 point shots. They're not contested shots either because no one in their right mind would guard him from out there. Heck, even I can hit 25-30% of uncontested 3 point shots. There's not doubt that he's talented but I still don't think he would be in that elite category of players in the league as he is now without Nash.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Eclipse:</div><div class="quote_post">Does Michael Jordan's failed comeback with the Wizards make you think any less of him or his basketball skills? No.</div> You're comparing Michael Jordan with Vince Carter. End of discussion.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Does Michael Jordan's failed comeback with the Wizards make you think any less of him or his basketball skills? No.</div> Failed comeback? Michael had a pretty good comeback, he averaged 20+ points per game and he was like 40 years old. If you can still kick that much ass at 40 years old, I think that it was pretty successful. If you're saying that the comeback wasn't successful in terms of winning, you've got a point. But the Wizards were one of the league's punching bags in those years and their roster was less than good, so I don't think that even Michael Jordan could have brought them to the top.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">When did he score 24 PPG? My point is that he depends too much on his athletism to get his points instead of working on the fundamentals like having a decent post game. </div> Averaged 23.8 PPG on 48% shooting after Marbury left in 03-04, I should've been more clear. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not sure how you can say that going 3-16 (1-14 not including that last game you mentioned) in a season and 6-31 for his career can be considered having "3PT" range. Most NBA players would be able to make 20% of their 3 point shots. They're not contested shots either because no one in their right mind would guard him from out there. Heck, even I can hit 25-30% of uncontested 3 point shots.</div> He's a big man, he doesn't need to take three's when he has a massive amount of three point shooters on his team, and can score a lot more efficiently inside. I also didn't say he was a good three point shooter, I said he had the range, their was an article in the Sun Sentinel about them working with him on it, and his ability to hit it in practice. Look at Jabari Smith, if you ask the coaches he's played for, he can shoot three's, but in his career he's hit a total of 1-8 three's. It was a few years ago when he was in Sacramento, but a reporter came to their practice, and one of the coaches told him to shoot, and he was just cashing in the three's like nothing.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinKanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post"> You're comparing Michael Jordan with Vince Carter. End of discussion.</div> I'm not comparing them as players, I'm comparing a situation. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting asdf:</div><div class="quote_post"> If you're saying that the comeback wasn't successful in terms of winning, you've got a point. But the Wizards were one of the league's punching bags in those years and their roster was less than good, so I don't think that even Michael Jordan could have brought them to the top.</div> I meant that he couldn't take them to the playoffs. Michael Jordan in his prime would've been able to make them a contender. He probably would've needed a couple more years to take them to the very top though. Remember that the Bulls team that he joined was just as bad if not worse than the Wizards were. Also, part of the reason why the Wizards were so bad was MJ's own fault. He made the decision to draft Kwame. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post"> He's a big man, he doesn't need to take three's when he has a massive amount of three point shooters on his team, and can score a lot more efficiently inside. I also didn't say he was a good three point shooter, I said he had the range, their was an article in the Sun Sentinel about them working with him on it, and his ability to hit it in practice. Look at Jabari Smith, if you ask the coaches he's played for, he can shoot three's, but in his career he's hit a total of 1-8 three's. It was a few years ago when he was in Sacramento, but a reporter came to their practice, and one of the coaches told him to shoot, and he was just cashing in the three's like nothing.</div> A lot of guys can make shots in practice but can't make them in game situations. That's the true test whether you can shoot the three or not. If Amare can make threes in practice but can't make them in game situations than you can't really consider him having 3PT range.
Man why do some of you Raptor fans on this forum have to take evry single oppotunity to bash VC. Honestly, it's getting old, and I doubt if I'm the only person on this forum who is getting sick of it. You create and try and disguise a bunch of threads like this one with names like the official VC thread, and retire #15, and this one so guys like 02Civic and Mr. Wade can take turns taking shots at him. So why don't you just save us all time by combining them all into one thread and call it the "bash Vince Carter thread"? This whole thread is pointless IMO. VC tries to do something good and throw a charity game, and just because some reporters had to wait an extra 5 mins hes the devil. And all of a sudden Nash is a better person b/c more big names come to his game (most of which didn't show up, and from what I hear, VCs last year was actually more entertaining). The concept behind that article and this thread is laughable and just another chance for 02Civic to take cheap shots at Vince. But I'm sure he'll come up with other excuses as to why Vince sucks and is a whiner next year when NJ wins the Atlantic. BTW Vinkannady, NJ may only have a 2-4 year window to win a 'ship with the guys they got now, but don't tell me that TO's situation is more favourable. Even if they fail to win a ship in the next 4 years, and VC, SAR and JK become too old and begin to wind down, they'll still have RJ at his peak, Krstic at his, Ilic looks promising, and Antoine Wright coming into his own, plus they have a genius in Thorn at the helm. Toronto will have Bosh, a role player in Graham, and CV (who plays same position as Bosh), MAYBE Ukic, and some cap space if they play their cards right. I can't see them being contenders for a LONG time, at least not in Bosh's era.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting virve119:</div><div class="quote_post">BTW Vinkannady, NJ may only have a 2-4 year window to win a 'ship with the guys they got now, but don't tell me that TO's situation is more favourable. Even if they fail to win a ship in the next 4 years, and VC, SAR and JK become too old and begin to wind down, they'll still have RJ at his peak, Krstic at his, Ilic looks promising, and Antoine Wright coming into his own, plus they have a genius in Thorn at the helm. Toronto will have Bosh, a role player in Graham, and CV (who plays same position as Bosh), MAYBE Ukic, and some cap space if they play their cards right. I can't see them being contenders for a LONG time, at least not in Bosh's era.</div> So Thorn is a genius and Babcock is the idiot? Is that what you're trying to start now? I am sure I was being realistic when I said New Jersey's window to win a championship is open for 2-3 years at best, I wasn't biased in saying that. But your response? It's so overly biased that it's making me sick. Who are you to say Graham and CV will be role players at best? Who are you to say that the Raptors will not be contenders in Bosh's era? All in the same time saying that Antoine Wright and Ilic is looking 'promising'. Give me a break.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Human Highlight:</div><div class="quote_post">I was looking at pictures from the game and I was wondering: What did Iguodala do? </div> He made some easier dunks, but he missed half of the attempts. The one in the picture is one of the ones he missed.
I never said Babcock was an idiot in my post, all I was implying is that Thorn has proven in the past that he has a knack for making something out of nothing and is really, really good at what he does. As for me saying Graham and CV will be role players, that's not biased at all. Look at it this way, Graham is very athletic, but you have to admit he doesn't have star potential, but he could turn out to be a great defensive, hustle player or, like Bowen, a ROLE player. Also, CV plays the same position as Bosh, so I don't see how both of them can become great players for the Raps when they're playing the same position. Even if CV did slide down to the 3, then where would Graham go? It's not an insult to say they're role players, heck of every good team needs role players, but it is also a reality as long as they're both playing for the Raps. Wright and Ilic do look promising. Wright was the 15th overall selection and is said to have star potential by many scouts. Also, Portland seems to think Ilic, a 2nd-rounder in one of the deepest drafts, was a better than a first-rounder next year- the 7'1 center is just loaded with potential.
