Interesting stats on Kwame from the ESPN board:

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  1. aid1961

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    I don't know about you guys, but I view these stats as extremely compelling...Any thoughts?

    "This fellow needs to shoot more, a lot more. Kwame Brown?s career high for shots per game, two years ago, is a meager 8 attempts. To put that number into perspective, Chucky Atkins last season as the 4th option hoisted up 11.1 shot per game, while Butler took 12.9 shot of his own. Shooting will be the cure for Brown?s ailments. With Butler being traded, this frees up at least 13 shots per game for Kwame. Take a look at his numbers when he averages 10+ shots a contest:

    RealGM- ??In the 25 games where he (Brown) got ten or more shots in a game, his averages were:

    16.72 ppg, 9.16 rpg, on 53% shooting from the floor.

    Think about that; averaging ten shots a game, he?s posting about 17 ppg and nearly 10 rpg while shooting more efficiently than Tim Duncan usually does?

    In the six games he got twelve or more shots, he averaged:

    20.2 ppg, 11 rpg, on 52.8% shooting. No real drop in efficiency and he became a 20/11 player. Now obviously six games is a rather limited sample but from the way he was playing, it was clear that he had the potential to be a perennial All-Star if put in the right situation??

    http://forums.espn.go.com/espn/thread?foru...PostID=11853470
     
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    great stats. i hope he gets more touches from kobe and be able to post such nums
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">RealGM- ??In the 25 games where he (Brown) got ten or more shots in a game, his averages were:

    16.72 ppg, 9.16 rpg, on 53% shooting from the floor. </div>
    This can be interpreted in 2 ways:

    1) Was he getting those amount of shots because he was playing good, or

    2) Was he playing good because he was more involved in the game.

    tsherkin give the explantion for the other stats, but sometimes the reason a player will have better stats when they get X amount of shots is that they were only getting that many shots because they were playing well that game.
     
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    I think Kobe will make him better, it seems like Larry and Gilbert were the main guys on the Wizards, and they shot the ball way more. If Kwame is actually involved in an offense, he should be pretty good.
     
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    I've been saying this over and over again. Give him shots and he produces. He is a solid 15 and 9 guy when given 10 shots a game, and you saw what happens when he is given 12 shots a game. It isn't that hard to free 10 shots for him, that is only 2-3 shots per quarter.
     
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    just a thought, i'm not a big kwame supporter or hater, but i have a thought. has it ever occurred to you guys that he doesnt get the ball enough to shoot is because he flat out stinks? maybe?
     
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    Hes around a 47 percent shooter, so he cant be that bad. Another thought also is maybe hes afraid to shoot because he lost confidence after what MJ told him?(Mj called him a flaming fa**et)
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheTruth5:</div><div class="quote_post">Hes around a 47 percent shooter, so he cant be that bad. Another thought also is maybe hes afraid to shoot because he lost confidence after what MJ told him?(Mj called him a flaming fa**et)</div>
    yeah, i think MJ really brought down his confidence. he shouldnt be going around yelling and being so hard to a guy who just came out of high school! well, now he has a chance to start over. hopefully it helps him, and hopefully kobe wont be so hard on him. by the way, is that really what MJ called him?
     
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    The future is bright, Lakers fans!!
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting RJ 21:</div><div class="quote_post">The future is bright, Lakers fans!!</div>
    yeah, let's just hope kwame turns to another jermain oneal. now that would be awesome.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kobe 8 Ball:</div><div class="quote_post">I've been saying this over and over again. Give him shots and he produces. He is a solid 15 and 9 guy when given 10 shots a game, and you saw what happens when he is given 12 shots a game. It isn't that hard to free 10 shots for him, that is only 2-3 shots per quarter.</div>
    If you look at his FG attempts PER 40 minutes though, this year he got 10.4 shots PER 40, and last year 10.5 shots PER 40, but this year he scored 13.0 points PER 40, and last year 14.4 points PER 40.

    He was getting the same amount of shots this year when he was playing, but was not as efficient. The injuries didn't help, but as a player he should find ways to contribute even when he isn't getting that ball.

    I do agree that the Wiz should've definately used him more, I said it all year, but he also has to be more assertive, and not make himself invisible because he's not involved offensively.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting phiLA:</div><div class="quote_post">yeah, i think MJ really brought down his confidence. he shouldnt be going around yelling and being so hard to a guy who just came out of high school! well, now he has a chance to start over. hopefully it helps him, and hopefully kobe wont be so hard on him. by the way, is that really what MJ called him?</div>
    Yup hard to believe but true
     
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    Lakers could be so good but it all depends on one thing...team play: which depends on one thing....will Kobe finally start sharing the ball??
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Lakerland:</div><div class="quote_post">Lakers could be so good but it all depends on one thing...team play: which depends on one thing....will Kobe finally start sharing the ball??</div>
    [​IMG] Kobe does share the ball. Its just a matter of everyone learning the continuity cuts of the triangle. Last season the offense kept breaking down because of triangle inexperience and then they'd pass the ball to Kobe with 3 seconds left in hopes of him bailing them out.

    With PJ at the helm and a roster of players that fit the triangle, the Lakers will be in a much better situation than last year.
     
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    This is easier said than done...

    Was Kwame's lack of touches because he wasn't demanding the ball? Getting good position? Being lazy?

    Or was it because his coach didn't draw plays for him, or Arenas and Jordan didn't share the ball.. there are too many variables for this too be considered stone cold evidence that Kwame sucked b/c of a lack of touches.

    It isn't going to be easy to get touches for Brown, even in L.A. Kobe will command a lot of shots, day in day out because he's the franchise player. Then the 2nd option is Odom, who will also take a lot of shots. Brown will be lucky to get more than 10.

    And no, Kobe won't make him better, but P.J might. (We'll see how good he is at developing young talent now)
     

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