<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">Give the man a break. He's only 3 years in the league and you expect him to dominate like Shaq. Yes he's 7'5, but how many 7'5 guys in the history of the NBA can actually play like Yao. 18pts a game is solid, there is nothing "soft" about that. Amare had a GREAT season, but to say because Yao didn't put up the exact same numbers he isn't improving is crazy. You guys obviously watch to much sportscenter.</div> What the hell does watching sportscenter have to do with anything!? Yes I watch sportscenter like any other sports fan. Yao is a solid player, but he will never be a dominate player because he is soft. He does not have the killer instinct like a Shaq, Amare, or KG. Yes not many 7'5 players were good, and not many were basketball players either. Shawn Bradley George M. (much better actor, and he could not act a lick), Manute was solid defensively. Being 7'5 does not make you a basketball player, but it gives you a distinct advantage over other players. Being that he is 7'5 and has solid skills he will never be anything more because he is soft. Let's take a poll or something!
I always see Tony Allen hustling really hard on defense for the Celtics. He plays very tough and physical and was matched up against some really tough opponents this (including Kobe at times in the Laker game) and he really held his own.
H.ayes, about your sig man, Emmanuel (Manu) Ginobili isn't white dude, he's actually from Argentina, so technicaly your sig is WRONG!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting da pimp 1:</div><div class="quote_post">H.ayes, about your sig man, Emmanuel (Manu) Ginobili isn't white dude, he's actually from Argentina, so technicaly your sig is WRONG!</div> Yeah, I was thinking the same thing lol
Yeah but naturally Argentinian's are much fairer skinned than other latino's. White isn't necessary a classification of race in this case, but a classification of color. You can be white but black as well if you're albino.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting H.ayes:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah but naturally Argentinian's are much fairer skinned than other latino's. White isn't necessary a classification of race in this case, but a classification of color. You can be white but black as well if you're albino. </div> If Ginobili is considered white because his skin is light. Does that make Osama black since his skin is dark???? Franscisco garcias skin is pretty light but he sure doesn't consider himself a white guy, and neither does Ginobili.
A few others just came to my mind when I read this subject. Marcus Camby- He is known for being a good defender but is still underated. He ranks #1 in Total Blocks. He has 23 more blocks then Ben Wallace, #2 on the list and is one of only two players (the other being Andrei Kirilenko) to average more then 3 blocks per game. He is an excellent defender and isn't given enough credit. Joel Przybilla- Playing behind Theo Ratliff, another great defender, in Portland hasn't help Joel get a lot of recognition for his exceptional defense. He is a force in the paint and averages 2.14 blocks per game in only 24.4 minutes per game. In a few years when Theo Ratliff is older, expect Przybilla to fill in as the new interior pressence on the Blazers and expect his blocks per game to sky rocket Dwyane Wade- Mostly known for his scoring, Dwyane Wade is actually a great defender. I may sound like a homer but if you look at the numbers and watched some Heat games this season, you will know what I'm talking about. Wade averages 1.57 steals per game and averages 1.14 blocks per game and is the only guard to rank in the Top 50 in Total Blocks ranking 38th with 82 blocks. He is also great at guarding bigger players and has very impressive defensive skills for such a young player.
^ya wade is def. an underated defender even though he made the defensive 2nd team hes still underated in my opininon hes top 3 blocking guard in the nba.
Camby is definitely underrated, he should've been DPOY. Good choices Swish, Przybilla is a good defender also. EDIT: I just wanted to comment on something. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Confidence_5:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe Bryant,tyrone lue, and raja bell...oh by the way....I HATE BRUCE BOWEN</div> How is Kobe an underrated defender? He is overrated IMO. He's a good defender, no doubt, but he was in no way and All-Defense first teamer for all those years. He was on name only, just like Garnett.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting H.ayes:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah but naturally Argentinian's are much fairer skinned than other latino's. White isn't necessary a classification of race in this case, but a classification of color. You can be white but black as well if you're albino. </div> dude w.e....hes not white man lol born and raised in argentina makes him latino no matter what.
Joel Przybilla is an awesome choice. Bell is a good one too, but his awareness and credit has been increasing ever since he signed with Phoenix. JYD does everything on D Jeff Foster - I'm not sure what he does, but he seems to get the job done. He seems like a dirty player though. Horry - Everyone talks about his clutch 3-pt shooting, but he does a solid job on defense, has good defensive awareness, good physical defender.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post">What the hell does watching sportscenter have to do with anything!? Yes I watch sportscenter like any other sports fan. Yao is a solid player, but he will never be a dominate player because he is soft. He does not have the killer instinct like a Shaq, Amare, or KG. Yes not many 7'5 players were good, and not many were basketball players either. Shawn Bradley George M. (much better actor, and he could not act a lick), Manute was solid defensively. Being 7'5 does not make you a basketball player, but it gives you a distinct advantage over other players. Being that he is 7'5 and has solid skills he will never be anything more because he is soft. Let's take a poll or something!</div> You obviously watch too much sportscenter. The reason you label Yao soft is because he doesn't play like "Shaq" or "Amare" or "KG". Or maybe it's because he doesn't pound his chest everytime he dunks on somebody. The fact of the matter is, he may not be as aggressive as Shaq, but to label somebody soft who averages 18pts a game and about 9 rebs is idiotic. Forget the fact that he's 7'5, there aren't too many Centers in the league putting up those numbers. Another thing, to say he isn't going to get better is ignorant. I can name plenty of rookies who didn't put near the numbers Yao put up in the first 3 years, and ended up being franchise players. What makes you think Yao can't do that? I guess this is the era where if you don't make a stupid hand signal or crip walk after every basket then your labeled "soft". I happen to disagree with that. Yao is a gentle but unstoppable giant!!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Quentin Ross</div> deinfately have to agree here. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">How is Kobe an underrated defender? He is overrated IMO. He's a good defender, no doubt, but he was in no way and All-Defense first teamer for all those years. He was on name only, just like Garnett.</div> Garnett is actually good defensively. Combine his rebounding, above average man to man defense, versatilty on defense, and shot blocking ability, and he's definately worthy of a first team selection. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Joel Przybilla- Playing behind Theo Ratliff, another great defender, in Portland hasn't help Joel get a lot of recognition for his exceptional defense. He is a force in the paint and averages 2.14 blocks per game in only 24.4 minutes per game. In a few years when Theo Ratliff is older, expect Przybilla to fill in as the new interior pressence on the Blazers and expect his blocks per game to sky rocket</div> I don't know about Joel. One thing with him is that he tries to block everything. One game he had I think 3 goaltends and 2 blocks, on like 5 of 8 shots in one quarter. I don't know if he's an underatted defender, but he's an underatted rebounder and shot blocker, because most people won't think of him when they think of those 2 things.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">You obviously watch too much sportscenter. The reason you label Yao soft is because he doesn't play like "Shaq" or "Amare" or "KG". Or maybe it's because he doesn't pound his chest everytime he dunks on somebody. The fact of the matter is, he may not be as aggressive as Shaq, but to label somebody soft who averages 18pts a game and about 9 rebs is idiotic. Forget the fact that he's 7'5, there aren't too many Centers in the league putting up those numbers. Another thing, to say he isn't going to get better is ignorant. I can name plenty of rookies who didn't put near the numbers Yao put up in the first 3 years, and ended up being franchise players. What makes you think Yao can't do that? I guess this is the era where if you don't make a stupid hand signal or crip walk after every basket then your labeled "soft". I happen to disagree with that. Yao is a gentle but unstoppable giant!!</div> I do watch Sportscenter every night at 11:00. Who does not watch Sportscenter (what the Hell does it have to do with anything)? The fact it took you almost a month to respond to my post says everything about your arguement. You can be a good-solid player and be soft! Can we take a poll?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post">I do watch Sportscenter every night at 11:00. Who does not watch Sportscenter (what the Hell does it have to do with anything)? The fact it took you almost a month to respond to my post says everything about your arguement. You can be a good-solid player and be soft! Can we take a poll?</div> By the way.............I wasn't really paying to much attention to you, we have some heated debates in the Rockets forum. Maybe you can learn something. The reason why I bring up Sportcenter because that's what your basing your senseless opinion on. You don't watch the Rockets on a nightly basis, so your opinion might be a little inaccurate. I'm sorry, I just wouldn't label a player who respects the game as "soft". Your basing your opinion on his character, rather than his game. Maybe he should jump in the crowd and punch somebody to get some respect.
