Diogu named 1st team in Vegas..

http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1055

No love for Ellis though?

 

I think Gomes should've been first team and Chris Paul suprised me by being third team wow.

 

I guess this is the first team selection according to one guy or what?

Anyway what's good for Ike is good for the Warriors.

 

Woooo. Good to see that two rookies made the first and second teams from us

 

Um, I repeat again, so is this the sole opinion of one guy or from the coaches or players in the summer league or what? It doesn't seem to hold too much water because his name isn't as recognizable as Chad Ford and it's not really a consensus from different groups. But I guess we should be glad Ike's getting props. The dude said on the webpage that he wasn't even there for Diogu's 37 pt. game so I wonder how much time they actually spent watching all the games each day and doing a throrough job in their critique. I guess we give them the benefit of the doubt because they're draftcity, one of the few self proclaimed draft expert websites that didn't have us picking Hakim Warrick or some other dumb pick at #9 in the mock draft because some unworthy news source said we're guaranteeing Frye or Warrick...

Anyway, I wasn't there in Vegas, but I also would like to contribute my All Vegas First Team

pg: Monta Ellis
sg: Zarko Cabarkapa
sf: Ike Diogu
pf: Chris Taft
c: Andris Biedrins

Go Warriors

 

I found it interesting how Ike,Gomes,Larry Roberts have really stepped up in the summer games while Marvin,"the next superstar",is getting schooled by every walk-on he faces. A point here is that a guy can have the optimal physical paxckage and few skills,little sustained effort,not enough desire to convert raw tools into true talent.
"You Can't coach size" is an oft repeated adage,and yet you can take a guy like Pavel P and it is questionable whether he ever gets it.. A Bynum seems to get it,with him it's mostly that he's got a lot to learn.

Altogather,Ike is looking like the right pick. We may have got lucky with Monta. Early returns hinted he had few PG skills-but he made an adjustment. That he did so is a real good sign.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Um, I repeat again, so is this the sole opinion of one guy or from the coaches or players in the summer league or what? It doesn't seem to hold too much water because his name isn't as recognizable as Chad Ford and it's not really a consensus from different groups.

Go Warriors</div>

Yes, it is just some unofficial ranking. But regardless, this is good news that he is being noticed....

 

All I know is Diogu seemed like the right pick, but we'll be pretty bummed if Green or Bynum turn into superstars. It'll be the whole Garnett, T-Mac, and Kobe thing all over again if Diogu turns out to be as disappointing in the nba as anyone of the guys Twardzick took instead, like Joe Smith, Adonal Foyle, and Todd Fuller who probably looked good in college and in SL. We're hoping Ike's a guy like Elton Brand or Zach Randolph and signs indicate that he is very near that type of talent/impact as far as summer league and college can indicate. And SL doesn't say much because you got guys like Skita that can tear it up Dirk Nowitzki style and the nba is generally much harder to compete in as a big man than in college. We'll just have to see in a few years.

Off topic, but still pertaining to the subject somewhat: You guys ever look at Jrich versus Antonio Daniels in their respective drafts? They either have the talent to make others better on any team, or they have to find a niche. Luckily there was tremendous turnaround in Jrich's game the last two years due to his hardwork and the coaching and thankfully the franchise trusted him enough to give him a contract. Even though he was always a good scorer and very effective at finishing at the rim, his game looked really ugly at the beginning, but now his shooting guard fundamentals have picked up quite a bit to be in between a shooting guard, a touch of point, but with power forward, small forward skills. But he found his niche in having a variety of solutions to score with or without the ball and get teammates involved. He still looks like a forward, though, because his handle isn't great but I guess we can't be too picky since Jrich is a good passer like a two guard should be and we have a natural two like Pietrus as well. Antonio Daniels on the other hand is quite talented, but he was too much in between to be reliable at shooting guard or point guard and only recently has found a way to be valuable. The talent is definitely there, but it's the type of talent that says "where does it fit?". I think Diogu's talent will fit in much, much more based on this current roster, but further down the line as the roster changes, who knows? He might be some backup if we find somebody bigger and who knows how Daniels' career could have gone if he were bigger to play the two and was given more opportunities to stay on a team and develop.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorfansnc93:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes, it is just some unofficial ranking. But regardless, this is good news that he is being noticed....</div>
I only saw the Boston game and didn't notice Diogu much except for when he got his shots blocked or when had to chase after some bad entry passes by some of the guards. He did get some dunks in, but they weren't the kind that Taft could throw down. Ike looked okay in the post against bigger players and he is pretty strong. Not quite that quick, but he's mobile enough to get the job done, he's got an okay hop and is long enough to contest shots.

BTW Taft and Ellis are still unsigned, I think, so maybe a trade could be brewing? Or mabye the 2nd rounders don't get signed until much later.

 

I sure would like to see some highlight videos of our guys...

 

I personally think that Diogu will do good in the NBA 16 10 at his prime, but Bynum will be a star and Bogut, M-Will will be busts

 

Too early to tell guys, but I guess we can look back on this and say boy we were right/wrong. I look back on my posts and I really had problems with J-Rich and Dunleavy's games, but one is a near-allstar and the other is a guy who makes the open court play a lot better with the addition of a true playmaker like Baron. If the Baron trade did not go down, I wonder who would we have drafted instead?

 

Even without Davis, I still think we would end up drafting Diogu. Not only there was no PG available, we would still have same problem in inside with/without Davis. Besides, do you think we would have drafted Green or Granger when Mullin still is a GM?

Yeah, way too early to say who will become what. After all, it's just a summer league. Still, our 3 picks were rather impressive. Diogu showed that he can be a force in NBA, Taft proved that he isn't a completely nut case, who can't play a ball, and Monta didn't get intimidated and still maintained "I haven't met a shot that I didn't like" approach. It would be interesting to see how this year's 3 picks will match with Richardson, Murphy and Arenas draft...

 

It would be definitely interesting, Kwan. I'm also liking that the 2nd rounders are almost treated like first round picks with bird rights, so we won't have any Gilbert Arenas debacles unless we're unwilling to match outside offers. If these guys show promise and they want to be part of a winning team (possibly a contender), the W's have more leverage to lock these guys up for cheaper. So, I'm slightly hoping that the W's won't be overzealous in playing these guys too much so that other teams won't make Joe Johnson or Larry Hughes type offers for these guys. We'll probably lose a bunch of them, though.

While I'm not sure about 3 or our 5 starters, I like what's coming off our bench. If we could use any of our young guys to land some allstar F/C that would be super sweet, but we're no longer in posession of any Dale Davis or Speedy Claxton type contracts, so I doubt we could swing a deal unless they're willing to take a bad contract just to take some rookies.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">Diogu showed that he can be a force in NBA, Taft proved that he isn't a completely nut case, who can't play a ball, and Monta didn't get intimidated and still maintained "I haven't met a shot that I didn't like" approach. It would be interesting to see how this year's 3 picks will match with Richardson, Murphy and Arenas draft...</div>

I think it will be very similar. First of all, I think Monta Ellis could be an Arenas type player; love him or hate him.

I think Taft will be productive like a Dalembert and Diogu I hope will be a Randolph or Brand type player...

 

I wonder how the minutes would go around this season? It's not like guys like Zarko or Pietrus, saw a lot of minutes last season, but I'm thinking Mully is the kind of guy that will want them both to take the pressure off J-Rich and Murph/Dunleavy. We got a future defensive stopper in Pietrus, Zarko is the 6'11-7'0 tall Euro that can handle the ball like a guard, pass and shoot. He's got Andris Biedrins who looks really impressive at age 19. He just drafted Diogu and Taft.

It has to mean one thing: Murphy or Zarko is probably on his way out then. Murphy's probably the one guy that really hinders the minutes for his other players like Diogu, Zarko, Biedrins (PF) and Dunleavy. If we need Diogu's low post presence this season and Murphy ain't going anywhere, it means Zarko will probably see less minutes because he is more like a cross between Murphy and Dunleavy. The less minutes Zarko sees, he'll probably want out. (This isn't counting the time that Zarko had the rash and saw less minutes).

They say Biedrins is a center, but with that toughness and athleticism, I'd love to see the dude playing power forward. If he can learn to shoot with either hand and use that quick footwork, size and length to his advantage, he'll win everytime in the post. The only problem is shot range... and the teams that win championships or go far in the playoffs have 4 other dudes that can spread the floor while the 5th dude pounds it inside where there's less defenders hanging around the hoop and can go for the kickout pass to the wing shooters. So, that would mean our center would have to be like a power forward if we want to draw defenders away from the hoop. So, if we had a healthy Chris Bosh type player or a Raef La Frentz type player, maybe like a Curtis Borchardt, he would be the ultimate match made in heaven I think, especially because of the high post passing skills and shot range. He'd be sort of like a Raef La Frentz mixed with a bit of Brad Miller. If Diogu only was at least 6'10 or at least as athletic as Ben Wallace at 6'9, he could get away with some center. But he looked terrible in that one SL game where he was forced to play center.

 

Last season-part 1 we sucked,won about 35%,part 2 we ruled,won above 60%. Any pattern from part 1 gets junked. Everything from part 2 is our starting point. That will mean Pietrus,Zarko,Biedrens,get good minutes,also can mean the rookies get a generous opportunity-though Ellis + Taft need to upgrade some fundamentals before they play a lot. Ike was not picked to be a project. He was the pick to address needs now. There were strong hints Murph plays more C than in the past,which gives some 4 time for Ike and Zarko. C will get shared by Foyle,Murphy,Biedrens.