Darkos Minutes

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  1. jbbDWade3

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    Do you think Darko will have more of an impact on the Pistons now that Flip Saunders is the coach? Will he play more?
     
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    I think he will definately play more and have greater impact on games. Larry Brown is known not to play young player and i feel Saunders will give Darko minutes. I know everyone makes fun of Darko but he's still very young and i think he will develop into a good player later in his career.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting miamiballa12:</div><div class="quote_post">I think he will definately play more and have greater impact on games. Larry Brown is known not to play young player and i feel Saunders will give Darko minutes. I know everyone makes fun of Darko but he's still very young and i think he will develop into a good player later in his career.</div>
    Finally someone thinks Darko will amount to something, I thought I was the only one [​IMG]
     
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    Obviously Darko will be getting more minutes with Flip Saunders, no question about it, and with that will come his production.

    IMO, he will start off slow and then break out somewhere mid season. This will be like his first full season, so basically his rookie season lol.
     
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    I think he'll play more, but that doesn't say much. With the Wallace's and Dice loggining most of the minutes, he'll get probably 20 MPG Tops. I expect something though around 13 minutes game. Maxiell is giving him competition too, so he might still be in single digits next year in the MPG category..
     
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    I don't think Maxiell will have much of an impact this year or get too many minutes... I mean if Darko waited that long, then he deserves more minutes at least 20 to prove himself....
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mr.Wade:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think Maxiell will have much of an impact this year or get too many minutes... I mean if Darko waited that long, then he deserves more minutes at least 20 to prove himself....</div>

    Well Maxiell was the Pistons best player in summer league, better than Darko, so he moved up on the Pistons depth chart. The Pistons obviously saw something in him which made them select him over a SG (which they need), and not take him in the 2nd round. Even though Darko has waited a while, Maxiell might give Detroit a better chance to win a game when he plays with his agressiveness and toughness, and when it comes down to it, he'll probably end up playing a bigger role in Detroit than Darko this year.
     
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    I think that Darko will have a bigger impact next season and contribute more, but its not like he gon start or anything.
     
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    I think he already said in the press conference that Darko will be the 1st or 2nd bigman of the bench.
     
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    Flip said basically what every coach will tell you. In this league you have to earn playing time. Nothing is given to you for free. If Darko shows improvement then yes he will get more minutes but If he isn't showing enough in practise then the same kind of playing time could happen again. I could honestly see J-max get in the rotation ahead of Darko If Darko doesn't show more in training camp.
     
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    I don't know about Maxiell breaking into the lineup ahead of Darko, although if summer league was any indication, Darko doesn't deserve to suit up. I have always thought that people jumped to conclusions with Darko's career, and I hate the critics saying that he's a nobody, because he hasn't had a chance to be anybody. But I must say, the only way this man will ever be worth his salt is if he logs some damn minutes.

    Now, I'll grant you that Larry Brown was stingy with minutes with rookies, but how has Flip been any better? Aside from Steph and Sczerbiak, this guy hasn't given a rookie significant minutes in his career. And this should be no surprise to anyone. You don't hand your job away by letting an inexperience, stiff, stone-handed white guy play significant time, in this league or any other. You fashion him, mold him, and make into a smoother player. You run him in practice, you coach him in the paint, and more than anything you teach him rotations and positioning. This guy was under the tutelage of a fine teacher and game manager, but he was also under the tutelage of a coaching staff that didn't need his abilities, nor do they now. That being the case, you don't rush the guy. You play him as is necessary to win, especially when that was the only reason you were brought in to town. And obviously, garbage time minutes and trillions aplenty do not constitute the necessity to win.

    Flip will do the same thing. He will play him as much as it takes to win. Especially because this is a trial by fire for Flip Saunders. This man is taking a team that came within twelve minutes of a championship, preceeded by a championship the year before. And as Larry Brown is known for coaching a team to play basketball the 'right way,' Saunders is known for no such lofty standard. He has a lot of work to do, and quickly.

    I must repeat though, I do think that Darko will be somebody someday, but next season is not his breakout. If anything he MAY come along slowly this year to get some minutes from scratches. But he will be nothing so special as either respective Wallace, or even McDyess. The best he can hope for if the first half of his season goes poorly is a quick stint in the NBDL where we will learn what he is really made of.

    And does anyone else think that he looked like his hand still hurt him in summer league? I know it's an old injury, but wrists do have a tendency to heal improperly. Maybe I'm just imagining it.
     
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    I think Darko will have a significant increse in playing time with Saunders as the new coach. He will give Darko ample time to prove himself and improve. I don't see Maxeill taking his playing time. Darko will get at least 15 MPG.
     
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    well, i heard on espn that darko didnt show too much skill in the summer league he was playing in. but anyways, he will definetly get more minutes.
     
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    Sheed is 32, and is on the decline, its time to make the bench depper, and start Darko @ PF Sheed is overrated....I rather have McDysess get more minutes than Rasheed
     
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    I think whatever the Pistons try to do, Darko's still gonna bolt after this season. A lot of teams sure could use a guy like him. I'd love it if he went to.. Cleveland.
     
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    I just think Darko needs to play. Larry didnt give him enough PT to prove himself or any. so im glad we got Flip as the coach so Darko can actually PLAY
     
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    I think the whole "Larry Brown not giving his rookie's a chance" argument has been blown out of proportion. Brown expects his rookies to show that they're ready to play in the NBA on a consistent basis. I think he's against the idea of letting players getting thrown into the fire just so they can learn to play. I mean, Iverson was a rookie under Brown and he was able to get minutes. If Darko had shown that he deserved to take minutes away from Ben, Sheed, and McDyess, he would have got them.

    That said, I think this season will be like a clean slate for Darko. He will have the oppurtunity to make Flip feel that he can play. The amount of minutes Darko gets will depend on how much he has improved and how dedicated he is.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Sheed is 32, and is on the decline, its time to make the bench depper, and start Darko @ PF Sheed is overrated....I rather have McDysess get more minutes than Rasheed</div>

    Please...tell me you are joking.
     
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    IMO, Sheed is overrated. Most people have him as the Pistons best scorer, or best overall player, yadda yadda...

    Billups and Rip are their best scorers. Prince and Ben are the best defenders. Sheed chokes in big game situations. I recall this year in the playoffs everyone predicting a breakout game from Sheed... a HUGE game, because he's been playing so bad... it never happened.

    He's not the player he was in Portland. Sheed is now a role player.
     
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    The Pistons system makes Sheed look like a role player, he is too unselfish to become the man. He is just happy doing what It takes in a great team to win games. His impact is far greater on the defensive end. Who knows with Flip his game may change and his points per game may increase.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Sheed is 32, and is on the decline, its time to make the bench depper, and start Darko @ PF Sheed is overrated....I rather have McDysess get more minutes than Rasheed
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    32? he is 30..don't know where you got that number from. Sheed is still a great defensively player and a big time threat in the post. The Pistons are still a contender and you don't mess with a line-up that has made the finals back to back years. Mcdyess was a big time player than year but the reason you don't give him more minutes is because Sheed is a much better defender and atracts more attention. Dice will have a big season as now he will have a year free of injury problems so his knee should be 100%. However he is best used as a 6th man.

    You really need to stop looking at the boxscores and watch the games.
     

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