<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">I never said he was going to do it anytime soon. Maybe in 5-7 years when he's in his prime. To be 21 years old and average 27/7/7 is quite a feet. And in IMO, I believe with his great work ethic and determination, he will do it.</div> anythings possible bro.....just dont bet your school lunch money on it or you`ll starve
If you want to be realistic you have to realize to start a new team (expansion team) you have serious cap restraints in your first couple of years. You only get to spend 75% of the projected salary cap. The Bobcats for example only could spend $27 Million on their payroll the first season. Let's assume the salary cap next year is set at $50 Million, you could only spend $37.5 Million on a 14 man roster. This eliminates a lot of players from the list right off the bat. Kevin Garnett makes $18 Million, if he picked him he costs you half your cap space. As a new team are you really going to spend half your cap space on a 30 year old player? Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant make around $15 Million a year, which close to half the salary as well. Amare Stoudemire is a great choice, but he's in the final year of his deal and will expect a max offer. Is he worth locking you up for half your cap space? I'd say no, because when Steve Nash was injured, Amare Stoudemire didn't look unstoppable anymore. I think if you are an expansion team you are forced to go with cheap, young talent with tremendous potential. LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, and Dwight Howard are probably the best and most realistic options. I'd probably take LeBron James out of the group, but would highly consider Dwight Howard, especially if he really has grown to 7 feet.
Good post, i was thinking Dwight Howard, you could also go with Emeka Okafor to begin, or try and get a young good player like Marvin Williams. There are a couple other player which you could include, especially Jay Williams who is likely to return this year and won't be worth too much.
I wouldn't put Marvin Williams in there just yet. We have yet to see how his game will translate into the NBA, and is still considered a gamble although he most likely will be good. It's just when picking franchise players you have to be 100% sure that that person will lead your team and won't be a bust... someone proven.
I think Dwight Howard can be as effective as Amare and for a cheaper price he'd be good to start a franchise. However LeBron would be the best pick.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting H.ayes:</div><div class="quote_post">So nowadays mediocre is 2 time NBA Champion, Olympic Champion and World Champion? If you want to argue with me about Ginobili's effect on a team, let's go. However, you'd lose.</div> As acrobatic and entertaining Ginobili is, he isn't a triple-double/clutch shot/drop 50 kind of player. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">For sure, I would have to pick Tim Duncan. Unless I saw the definite next Jordan, I would never build my team around a guard. Duncan is a sure Hall of Famer who's still in his prime. He's got all the intangibles you'd want in your franchise player, and makes his teammates better.</div> Absolutely agree, I don't see how anyone can build around a guard when C/PF's are the more dominant players on the court. Personally, if I were to take a guard I'd want an inside/outside guard ie Kobe, Ray Allen (need a good big man of course). You just CAN'T win a championship without a big man. Iverson ALMOST did it, but Shaq murdered Mutombo. I would take Shaq, he's a winner, pure and simple. Duncan wouldn't be far behind, but somebody like KG who has too many skills could give him a hard time. Shaq just overpowers you again and again until you're on the floor or in foul trouble. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting da pimp 1:</div><div class="quote_post">Unless that guard is LeBron or a young Nash or Kidd, i would build my team around a guard. But my pick is Amare.</div> So Nash has one MVP season and now he's franchise? He's replaceable. If Kidd were thrown on the team and Nash taken, you can't tell me they wouldn't be as good. Kidd would improve them as far as defense (or Bibby too, if you want to bring up the 3pt shooter issue Kidd has) <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rockets_1:</div><div class="quote_post">Im not saying they are like jordan i meant to say that those 3 were each labled as the next jordan. Kobe is really the only that is similar to jordan as far as how he plays.</div> NOBODY is the next Jordan just like nobody is the next Kedrick Brown. They can be the next superstar, but that's it. Kobe doesn't resemble Jordan because Jordan's mindset was different. Plus Kobe has better range, and has the best chance to pass Jordan on the All Time Scoring List.
Theres a saying that really cost portland and houston of Micheal Jordan. "Theres always a great guard in the draft, but a great center comes around once every so often". TD ALL THE WAY!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">If you want to be realistic you have to realize to start a new team (expansion team) you have serious cap restraints in your first couple of years. You only get to spend 75% of the projected salary cap. The Bobcats for example only could spend $27 Million on their payroll the first season. Let's assume the salary cap next year is set at $50 Million, you could only spend $37.5 Million on a 14 man roster. This eliminates a lot of players from the list right off the bat. Kevin Garnett makes $18 Million, if he picked him he costs you half your cap space. As a new team are you really going to spend half your cap space on a 30 year old player? Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant make around $15 Million a year, which close to half the salary as well. Amare Stoudemire is a great choice, but he's in the final year of his deal and will expect a max offer. Is he worth locking you up for half your cap space? I'd say no, because when Steve Nash was injured, Amare Stoudemire didn't look unstoppable anymore. I think if you are an expansion team you are forced to go with cheap, young talent with tremendous potential. LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh, and Dwight Howard are probably the best and most realistic options. I'd probably take LeBron James out of the group, but would highly consider Dwight Howard, especially if he really has grown to 7 feet.</div> Why would you take Dwight Howard over Amare Stoudemire! STAT is a proven player that is living up to his potential while Howard is still a little raw (though he looks like a future superstar). Amare averaged over 20 ppg when Marbury was traded in 2004. He is the Suns most conisitent performer and hardest worker. Every year he has gotten better, it is a progression (ppg-13.5,20.6,26.0). While Nash greatly helped Amare last year he would have dominated regardless. He improved in every aspect of the game and will be even better next year. He developed his jumpshot, has a wide varirty of post moves, improved his ball handeling, etc. The scary thing is he will get even better because he might be the hardest working player in the league. I would take Amare, those who did not will see why I made this choice next season.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post">Why would you take Dwight Howard over Amare Stoudemire! STAT is a proven player that is living up to his potential while Howard is still a little raw (though he looks like a future superstar). Amare averaged over 20 ppg when Marbury was traded in 2004. He is the Suns most conisitent performer and hardest worker. Every year he has gotten better, it is a progression (ppg-13.5,20.6,26.0). While Nash greatly helped Amare last year he would have dominated regardless. He improved in every aspect of the game and will be even better next year. He developed his jumpshot, has a wide varirty of post moves, improved his ball handeling, etc. The scary thing is he will get even better because he might be the hardest working player in the league. I would take Amare, those who did not will see why I made this choice next season.</div> Because Dwight does 2 things better than Amare: Defend and Rebound. Dwight will be a 20+ scorer in a couple of season's, maybe even this year if he has a DWade type breakout year, or Francis is traded.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">Because Dwight does 2 things better than Amare: Defend and Rebound. Dwight will be a 20+ scorer in a couple of season's, maybe even this year if he has a DWade type breakout year, or Francis is traded.</div> And I can guarantee you Amare will improve dramatically in both areas. Amare is also a much better scorer and athlete then Dwight Howard is. Amare did average 20 PPG in his second year even with Marbury gone and a very raw PG. Statistically Amare and Howard had very comparable rookie years. Amare had more PPG. while Dwight had more RPG. The Suns did improve and make the playoffs with Amare as a rookie and he was a major force in the playoffs. He was clutch making that 3 point bank. He was also clutch this season in the brink of elimination against the Spurs blocking TD's dunk attempt. Overall I do not think you can have Dwight on a list of Superstars to build around without having Amare, seeing as though he is already a proven player (and well worth the max).
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">Because Dwight does 2 things better than Amare: Defend and Rebound. Dwight will be a 20+ scorer in a couple of season's, maybe even this year if he has a DWade type breakout year, or Francis is traded.</div> Another thing real quick (not to attack you)...................I am kind of tired of hearing people talk about Wade. I will agree he is a great player and deserves all the attention he is getting, but at the same time Amare is playing better basketball and he does not get the respect he deserves. People use the fact that Amare played with Nash as one of the main reasons he had such a good year. At the same time Wade was greatly helped by the fact Shaq was on the team helping him become better. Amare had a better year last year 26.0 ppg Wade averaged 24.1 ppg. STAT was also better statistically in the playoffs. Whats the deal people?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post">Another thing real quick (not to attack you)...................I am kind of tired of hearing people talk about Wade. I will agree he is a great player and deserves all the attention he is getting, but at the same time Amare is playing better basketball and he does not get the respect he deserves. People use the fact that Amare played with Nash as one of the main reasons he had such a good year. At the same time Wade was greatly helped by the fact Shaq was on the team helping him become better. Amare had a better year last year 26.0 ppg Wade averaged 24.1 ppg. STAT was also better statistically in the playoffs. Whats the deal people?</div> If someone could find Wades averages without Shaq and Amares without Nash. I can't find them and im curious.
MiamiBalla12, all u have to do is lookup the 03-04 stats for Wade and Amare..... They didn't have Shaq and Nash (respectively) in their rookie years. Now about Amare not getting enough respect.. I disagree. Whenever the subject of dominant bigman is being brought up, Amare's name is always mentioned up there. I personally would put the guy at #2 (after Shaq) with Yao slightly under. I don't get what you're annoyed about though. Amare gets his love imo.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SupraJames:</div><div class="quote_post">MiamiBalla12, all u have to do is lookup the 03-04 stats for Wade and Amare..... They didn't have Shaq and Nash (respectively) in their rookie years. Now about Amare not getting enough respect.. I disagree. Whenever the subject of dominant bigman is being brought up, Amare's name is always mentioned up there. I personally would put the guy at #2 (after Shaq) with Yao slightly under. I don't get what you're annoyed about though. Amare gets his love imo.</div> Im talking about for the 04-05 season. Wade averaged 16 points his rookie year, Im sure Wade would average more now without Shaq.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">kobe`s best years = with shaq</div> Well, Kobe has only had one year without Shaq so I wouldn't really say that. However, Terminator X, I would say this: Shaq's best years = with Kobe, and that is a fact. As far as the topic is concerned, Kevin Garnett is the player to build around. He is the only player in the world who hasn't won a championship, that I could call a superstar. Kevin is easy to build around. You could put up 4 other mediocre players with him and you'll make it deep into the playoff's. He can play all 5 positions on the court and be dominent in every position apart from the C, where he will probably be the 5th most dominent C in the NBA. He has no flaws at all! He is unselfish, a team player, he can shoot well, he's aggressive, plays defence, shuts down his man, tall, agile, the most versatile player in the NBA, powerful on a bad night will score 15 and rebound 8, passionate, not injury prone, puts up 20+ points per game and doesn't do this while slowing down the game. Tim Duncan has only got the three rings because he had the admiral and has had better players that do play better than their opponents. KG has't had that privelage. Kevin Garnett is a true warrior and is the best player in the NBA without question. Sure he's a bit older now, but he still has 5 more years of dominance left in him. Give him the right role-players, that don't need to be so expensive and you'll have 3 rings in the 5 years.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_fan:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, Kobe has only had one year without Shaq so I wouldn't really say that. However, Terminator X, I would say this: Shaq's best years = with Kobe, and that is a fact. As far as the topic is concerned, Kevin Garnett is the player to build around. He is the only player in the world who hasn't won a championship, that I could call a superstar. Kevin is easy to build around. You could put up 4 other mediocre players with him and you'll make it deep into the playoff's. He can play all 5 positions on the court and be dominent in every position apart from the C, where he will probably be the 5th most dominent C in the NBA. He has no flaws at all! He is unselfish, a team player, he can shoot well, he's aggressive, plays defence, shuts down his man, tall, agile, the most versatile player in the NBA, powerful on a bad night will score 15 and rebound 8, passionate, not injury prone, puts up 20+ points per game and doesn't do this while slowing down the game. Tim Duncan has only got the three rings because he had the admiral and has had better players that do play better than their opponents. KG has't had that privelage. Kevin Garnett is a true warrior and is the best player in the NBA without question. Sure he's a bit older now, but he still has 5 more years of dominance left in him. Give him the right role-players, that don't need to be so expensive and you'll have 3 rings in the 5 years.</div> If you can put 4 mediocre players around him, how come he never made it past the first round without 2 All-Star caliber player's by his side?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">If you can put 4 mediocre players around him, how come he never made it past the first round without 2 All-Star caliber player's by his side?</div> If your talking about Latrell Spreewell, and Sam Cassell, I would say they were former all stars. They are both way past their prime. This season, Sam Cassells PPG dropped by 7 points. In alot of games, that is the decider. I also can't believe you even still consider Latrell "I need $100 million to feed my children" Spreewell. The mediocre players played like crap last season. When they were playing like mediocre players, look where they ended up? Look at the way KG took a team suffering injuries so far into the playoffs.
