So what do you guys think? Will Larry Brown be able to change Marbury into his type of point guard, or will they eventually have to part ways? IMO, Marbury isn't going to last in the Larry Brown reign. I don't see either of them submitting to the other. We all know what Larry Brown wants out of his point guard. He stresses that the point guard should direct the team and only look to score when his team requires it. Brown is always hardest on his point and has expected the most of out them. Players like Rod Strickland, Mark Jackson, Eric Snow, and Chauncey Billups have all flourished under his system. I think Marbury will not work under Brown because of his game and his ego/attitude. Marbury is a scoring point guard, not the type that Brown likes. Despite having one of his best statistical seasons last year, he still held the ball too long, didn't play defense, and looked for his own shot first. Brown has tried to use Marbury before and everyone knows about their problems during the Olympics. Now you can point out how Brown was able to work with Billups and Iverson, who were similar to Marbury, but there's a difference. Billups had yet to prove himself as a NBA-calibre guard. He was desperate and proved to be willing to change his game for Brown. Iverson was even more like Marbury, and eventually Brown decided that he needed to play him at the 2 to make the team successful. And that's where Marbury attitude and ego come in. I don't think Marbury is willing to change his game for anybody. He's played for many coaches, but has always played the same style of ball. Unlike Billups, Marbury is an All-Star. No matter what someone thinks of his game, he will always have a place in the NBA, and he knows it. Brown can work with his guard, but he needs a player who buys into his system. I just don't see Marbury responding well to Brown's nagging and strict coaching methods. The other option is to play Marbury at the 2 like Iverson, but I doubt that will work. Marbury has already proclaimed himself the "best point guard in the NBA." Also, the Knicks are already set at the 2 and moving Marbury there would be a waste. In the end, I think Isiah bringing in Brown will lead to Marbury being traded. Brown huge contract shows that he has a lot of say in how the team is going to be run. Despite Isiah trying to build a run n' gun team, Brown won't keep Marbury around if he doesn't change the way he plays.
This is exactly the thing that got me concerned when I heard the news of Brown joining the Knicks. I believe that the one of the reasons Larry Brown didn't go back to the Pistons was because he knew that he will never replace Joe Dumars and hence his next target was the Knicks - where he will be able to replace Isiah Thomas. And if he is going to become the guy calling the shots, it leads to a conclusion that Marbury and Isiah Thomas would be gone one way or the other.
That's what I think too, but it doesn't really concern me, because I don't think either of them are doing a good job.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting phiLA:</div><div class="quote_post">well, i hope they do, but if they dont, it'll basically be like kobe verses phil in LA.</div> Except this time Starbury would be the one to be shown the door.
I'm predicting Brown doesnt make it through this coming season. He'll cite medical reasons for his departure but really it'll be a combination of dealing with Marbury-Crawford and not being able to forsee an improvement on the horizon due to the cap and # of bad untradable contracts on the Knicks.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinKanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">Except this time Starbury would be the one to be shown the door.</div> ???????????????????????????????? Marbury is extremely unselfish, the guy is too passive at times. Brown was a PG, he loves to over play his PG's, and Brown never had a guy like Mabury, 20 and 8 consistant offensive machine. if Marbury focuses on defense, I gurantee you he will make the All NBA 1st team, cause thats the only thing that holds him back, he's lack of desire to play defense. Its too early to ask these questions, just watch baseball for now until the season starts
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Marbury is extremely unselfish, the guy is too passive at times. </div> Umm... are we talking about the same Stephon Marbury here or is there another one. The one I know is selfish, shot happy, a scoring guard, not a true PG. He is not unselfish, you just think that because his assist numbers are decieving.
unselfish are you crazy if he could he would dribble the ball for 28seconds and then fire up a three just before the clock expired. thank god for shot clocks or else nobody would ever see the ball.
He has a point though, I mean of course Marbury sometimes may seem selfish but what he was saying was SOMETIMES he passes to much. Notice he said SOMETIMES and its true you guys know that sometimes he decides to pass and not shoot.
All hail Jason Kidd, the true point guard =] But something tells me that this whole Marbury-Brown thing will be okay at first. But then we'll progressively the problems coming.
I watch the Knicks play 82 games....every year...you guys probably catch Marbury play 5- 6 times a year, don't agrue against me, he's very passive, and doenst have confidence in hsi teammates eyes only, come talk to me when one of your starting PG gets out of his career 39% FG...what the hell are you talking about 28 seoncds? Marbury shoots 46%, none of your PG's can dream about achieving that high number Marbury has great shot selection...this doesn't even make sense, most of you haven't even watched Marbury enough to give me a clear scouting on his style. lol...you guys probably assume he plays like Baron Davis cause of his stats...nice going
Marbury has great passing skills and last season he seemed to make an effort to actually pass the ball more. But he still looks to score first and doesn't run the team like Larry Brown will want him to. Plus factor in that Marbury is a horrible defensive player and hasn't changed that for any of his coaches so far, and it leads to a point guard that Brown can't work with.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">I watch the Knicks play 82 games....every year...you guys probably catch Marbury play 5- 6 times a year, don't agrue against me</div> Everyone listen to j0se because he knows everything about the Knicks since he watches them 82 times a year. His comments are the most true so nobody argue against him. He said so.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm predicting Brown doesnt make it through this coming season. He'll cite medical reasons for his departure but really it'll be a combination of dealing with Marbury-Crawford and not being able to forsee an improvement on the horizon due to the cap and # of bad untradable contracts on the Knicks.</div> It's either they listen, or they're gone. I'm not worried about Marbury at all - weren't AI and Chauncey Billups this way? What about Rasheed Wallace? Brown has experience in these types of situations which seperates him from other coaches. About the "untradable contracts": 06: Tim Thomas and Penny Hardaway = 30 million off the books 07: Maurice Taylor and Allan Houston (if he stays) = 30 million 08: Malik Rose and Jerome Williams = 14 million off the books 09: Stephon Marbury = 22 million off the books Down the horizon young players like Ariza, Sweetney, Frye, Butler, Robinson, and Lee will all be around and that is a very solid young core for him to develop and work with.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mr.Wade:</div><div class="quote_post">Umm... are we talking about the same Stephon Marbury here or is there another one. The one I know is selfish, shot happy, a scoring guard, not a true PG. He is not unselfish, you just think that because his assist numbers are decieving.</div> Actually Marbury is very unselfish and this past season, he's been the most passive throughout his entire career. His defense was the main flaw about his game. And the fact that he's a scoring guard doesn't mean he's selfish. Who else on the Knicks would put up 22 points per game? Jamal Crawford occasionally, but he's not nearly as efficient doing so. The only other player who is down the line in scoring is Tim Thomas whom I don't need to explain. The fact of the matter is Marbury needs to score for the good of the team and the Knicks depend on Marbury's 20 point games to win. If Marbury had more help, he would be much more passive. When he first came to New York and had a healthy Allan Houston, Marbury was putting up 9.3 assists per game. In terms of assists per 48 minutes, Marbury ranks 5th in the league and you're telling me he's selfish? That's the common misconception on Marbury and anyone who saw him when he was in New York, realized Marbury was far from it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">It's either they listen, or they're gone. I'm not worried about Marbury at all - weren't AI and Chauncey Billups this way? What about Rasheed Wallace? Brown has experience in these types of situations which seperates him from other coaches. </div> Rasheed bonded with Brown, and before Rasheed came other players on the team had a lot of respect of LB. If Chauncy Billups and Big Ben respect LB, there is no way anyone in the same locker room is gonna disrespect the man. I really don't know Marbury's personality very well. I think he is a tad egotistical by self-proclaiming that he is the best pg in the league. But other than that I really cannot judge him. Hopefully he will see Larry Brown's great ability to coach and effectively run LB's system. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">Down the horizon young players like Ariza, Sweetney, Frye, Butler, Robinson, and Lee will all be around and that is a very solid young core for him to develop and work with.</div> I agree, Brown won't leave due to NY's future. However Brown probably will be somewhat frustrated by their cap situation. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">I watch the Knicks play 82 games....every year...you guys probably catch Marbury play 5- 6 times a year, don't agrue against me, he's very passive, and doenst have confidence in hsi teammates</div> Wouldn't that lead to some considerably boring discussions. . You could say respect my opinion regarding the Knicks, however to ask someone not to argue against you is somewhat foolish. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">eyes only, come talk to me when one of your starting PG gets out of his career 39% FG...what the hell are you talking about 28 seoncds? Marbury shoots 46%, none of your PG's can dream about achieving that high number</div> J0se, man I usually I agree with most of what you say. But today, , I guess I got to disagree. Kidd may only shoot 39%, but he brings intangibles that aren't represented merely by statistics, although his career apg is 9.3 and spg is 2.07 and rpg at 6.5 for a pg. He is a great leader, motivates his team, runs the offense efficiently, makes players look better than they are, K-Mart Kerry Kittles, and has been generally successful through his career, with a lot of it being atributed to him. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Marbury has great shot selection...this doesn't even make sense, most of you haven't even watched Marbury enough to give me a clear scouting on his style.</div> I agree that Marbury has a good shot selection, as most of his shots are lay-ups which are high-percentage and he has an excellent ability to get into the lane. Personally I think that Marbury's minutes will decrease with the arrival of Nate Robinson, and I think that in Larry Brown's offense the ball-handling and offensive touches will be more evenly distributed. If you watched Detroit games, many times the offense was extremely even, that 5 or 6 guys on Detroit would have double doubles even in a game with 80-90 points. I think that Marbury's scoring and assists will probably decrease along with playing time.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">It's either they listen, or they're gone. I'm not worried about Marbury at all - weren't AI and Chauncey Billups this way? What about Rasheed Wallace? Brown has experience in these types of situations which seperates him from other coaches. About the "untradable contracts": 06: Tim Thomas and Penny Hardaway = 30 million off the books 07: Maurice Taylor and Allan Houston (if he stays) = 30 million 08: Malik Rose and Jerome Williams = 14 million off the books 09: Stephon Marbury = 22 million off the books Down the horizon young players like Ariza, Sweetney, Frye, Butler, Robinson, and Lee will all be around and that is a very solid young core for him to develop and work with.</div> When you say 'they're gone', who are you referring to? I'm hoping Larry Brown isn't included in the word 'they' because there is about 95% chance that Brown will replace Isiah Thomas as the President of Basketball operations / GM down the line. Allen Iverson was that way, but that is why Larry Brown played him as a shooting guard and ran Eric Snow at the point. Chauncey Billups, you're talking about a player who was and is a great defensive player. He was never the shot-happy PG under Rick Carlisle and didn't become one under Larry Brown. As great a coach as Brown is, he can't 'make' a bad defender into a defensive player of the year. The expiring contracts are exactly the reason why Isiah Thomas should and would be replaced by Larry Brown. Knowing Thomas, he will probably trade the expiring contracts for more bloated contracts and that won't do any good to the future of the franchise.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">I was talking about Tinsley, I would never compare Marbury to Kidd.</div> I'm sorry about that, I read the post prior to yours from the Nets fan about J Kidd, and also saw that you talked about a Career FG% of 39%. I incorrectly assumed you were talking about another bad shooting pg in Kidd. Pacers did acquire that Lithuanian pg, who is an excellent shooter.
