Supposedly we're getting Walker, Williams and Posey if this trade wen't down how can we not be the beast of the east. I don't care how much you htink Indy will do or how good Detroit is without Brown Miami is gonna blow past the East. Spurs should be worried because Miami is going to be down right nasty next year.
It's a great trade, but there would be sort of a downside if they have to give up Dorrell Wright. He's supposed to be the future along with Wade.
PG: Williams SG: Wade SF: Posey PF: Walker/Haslem/Simien (dont no who to start) C: SHAQUILLE ONEAL!!!! if that were to happen might as well just give us the ring before the season starts.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheTruth5:</div><div class="quote_post">PG: Williams SG: Wade SF: Posey PF: Walker C: SHAQUILLE ONEAL!!!! if that were to happen might as well just give us the ring before the season starts.</div> I wouldn't start walker though, I would probably be better to have his offense off the bench.
Pat Riley should have his named on the GM of the Year award right away. The Heat are the best team on paper if/when this trade goes down. They have to be the favorites to win the title now.
I don't think JWill is gonna go on another "you want some homeboy?" tirant with Shaq around. Walker won't take the stupid shots either with Shaq and Wade so this is gonna my very nice indeed.
Lets not forget what happened in LA a few years back, too much ego and not enough ball for the starters. J. Williams/ Wade Wade/ Woods Posey/ Butler Walker/ Haslem/ Simien Shaq/ Mourning/ Doleac Thats alot of shots attempted, especially by Williams and Walker who will likely be the 3rd and 4/5th option respectively. Not to mention the egos of Shaq, Williams, Walker, and Mourning. The lineup is great on paper but if they lose chemistry from last year's team that could be huge and Wade and Shaq taking less shots is definitely not a good thing. On the other hand if they build up great chemistry they will be huge favorites to win the whole thing, but at this point i still have to give SA the edge because they hqave so much more depth and chemistry plus much better coaching.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Run BJM:</div><div class="quote_post">Lets not forget what happened in LA a few years back, too much ego and not enough ball for the starters. J. Williams/ Wade Wade/ Woods Posey/ Butler Walker/ Haslem/ Simien Shaq/ Mourning/ Doleac Thats alot of shots attempted, especially by Williams and Walker who will likely be the 3rd and 4/5th option respectively. Not to mention the egos of Shaq, Williams, Walker, and Mourning. The lineup is great on paper but if they lose chemistry from last year's team that could be huge and Wade and Shaq taking less shots is definitely not a good thing. On the other hand if they build up great chemistry they will be huge favorites to win the whole thing, but at this point i still have to give SA the edge because they hqave so much more depth and chemistry plus much better coaching.</div> I thinks it should look like this j williams/FA or Wade Wade/Butler/woods Posey/Walker Haslem/Walker or Simien Shaq/Mourining/Doleac I think they sould take Walker off the bench so when wade and shaq leave they can offense of the bench.
I think they should bring Walker off of the bench. PG - Jason Williams/Damon Jones (if they re-sign him) SG - Dwyane Wade/Rasual Butler/Dorrell Wright SF - James Posey/Qyntel Woods PF - Udonis Haslem/Antoine Walker/Wayne Simien C - Shaq/Alonzo Mourning/Michael Doleac
A few problems the Heat MAY have. Both J-will and Tonie are out of control players and often make the dumbest turnovers that can drive you crazy. They are both or can be chuckers. Damon Jones seems like a better fit at the point guard position than Williams. Who is a good point guard that is a good passer is not a good shooter and can turn the ball over alot which is what Damon got bashed for in the Pistons series. Both can be problems in the locker room. I do like the Posey pick-up for the Heat though. JP is very underrated when heathly and can give you 10-14 a game on good % shooting. And with Shaq around he is bound to be back to what he was a few years ago shooting wise. As long as Tonie doesn't shoot more than 3 threes a game and just focuses on rebounding and giving the Heat some offense here and there he should be fine. While I do have my doubts about Williams and Walker, these moves at least gives the Heat more options offensively which they obviously missed in the conference finals. Which led to their downfall in that series. Losing Dorell Wright If he is in the deal would be a stupid move and put the Celtics in a position to dominate the league when all these young guys develop. I think If the Heat lose Damon Jones then I think It will be debatable If they truely got better or not. They would of lost their best two three-point shooters and their best defender.
James Posey is the big sleeper in this trade, and in my opinion, he could be the most talented player out of the three. If you remember the 2003-2004 season, you'll remember that James Posey was the best player on the Grizzlies. He was one of the ten best defenders in the league, the Grizzlies second leading scorer, and a really energetic fan favorite. He was injured last year and spent the season going through injury-related struggles from the bench, but he looked healthy again towards the end of the season, so I have full confidence in him returning to that '03-04 form. He's going to be a very valuable asset that can be the third scoring option or the team's deffensive stopper, and I can't understand how the Heat were able to get him out of the Grizzlies (if this trade is actually going to happen; it's not official). I don't think it's fair to call Jason Williams selfish or out of control either. I think that after his experience in Memphis, he's very humbled. When he was a King, he played with a lot of arrogance, as if he was the only one on the basketball court. In fact, his turnovers per game have dropped from 3.65 to 1.83, and he now ranks sixteenth in the league in assist to turnover ratio. He's not a ballhog either. He was only fifth on the team in points per game this year and averages seven assists per game on his career. His shot selection can be very poor at times, but it's improving, and last season he shot a slightly worse percentage than Eddie Jones. With all of that said about Posey and Williams, I'm finding this deal increasingly less realistic. I still want an official word on it, because there have been many false rumors going around lately. This just seems like one of them.
The deal has been changed up. Miami still gets the players expected, except in addition they get Andre Emmett, and instead of giving up Dorell Wright, they give up Qyntel Woods, Albert Miralles, and a 1.9 Trade Exception.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">James Posey is the big sleeper in this trade, and in my opinion, he could be the most talented player out of the three. If you remember the 2003-2004 season, you'll remember that James Posey was the best player on the Grizzlies. He was one of the ten best defenders in the league, the Grizzlies second leading scorer, and a really energetic fan favorite. He was injured last year and spent the season going through injury-related struggles from the bench, but he looked healthy again towards the end of the season, so I have full confidence in him returning to that '03-04 form. He's going to be a very valuable asset that can be the third scoring option or the team's deffensive stopper, and I can't understand how the Heat were able to get him out of the Grizzlies (if this trade is actually going to happen; it's not official). I don't think it's fair to call Jason Williams selfish or out of control either. I think that after his experience in Memphis, he's very humbled. When he was a King, he played with a lot of arrogance, as if he was the only one on the basketball court. In fact, his turnovers per game have dropped from 3.65 to 1.83, and he now ranks sixteenth in the league in assist to turnover ratio. He's not a ballhog either. He was only fifth on the team in points per game this year and averages seven assists per game on his career. His shot selection can be very poor at times, but it's improving, and last season he shot a slightly worse percentage than Eddie Jones. With all of that said about Posey and Williams, I'm finding this deal increasingly less realistic. I still want an official word on it, because there have been many false rumors going around lately. This just seems like one of them.</div> It's close enough.... <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Five-Team Trade Nears Completion 2nd August, 2005 - 8:03 pm AP - Antoine Walker, Jason Williams and James Posey could soon be coming to the Miami Heat in a proposed five-team trade that was nearing completion Tuesday, according to a lawyer and league official both familiar with terms of the complicated deal. "Unless something strange happens, it's going to happen," said the lawyer, who spoke on condition of anonymity. Miami -- which signed Shaquille O'Neal to a $100 million, five-year deal earlier Tuesday -- would obtain Walker in a sign-and-trade from the Boston Celtics , then add Williams, Posey and rookie Andre Emmett from the Memphis Grizzlies in exchange for veteran swingman Eddie Jones. The trade -- which has been submitted to the league for approval -- was first reported by The Miami Herald. League and team officials generally do not openly discuss proposed trades until they become finalized. Walker, Williams and Jones are the headliners in the proposed deal, one that also includes the aftereffects of a three-team deal agreed to earlier Tuesday by Sacramento, Memphis and Utah. As part of the Walker deal, Boston would obtain Qyntel Woods, the rights to Spanish center Albert Miralles and the Heat's $1.9 million trade exception. Walker, a three-time All-Star who averaged 19.1 points and nine rebounds last season for the Atlanta Hawks and Boston Celtics , would be a welcome addition to the Heat, said forward Udonis Haslem -- who formally signed his $30.7 million, five-year deal Tuesday. "We're two different players and we can bring two different things to the table," Haslem said. "If we put that together, we should have a pretty good tandem." The Celtics would get Borchardt from Memphis; Borchardt was part of Tuesday's earlier trade in which Sacramento acquired guard Bonzi Wells from Memphis for guard Bobby Jackson and center Greg Ostertag. Memphis was then expected to send Ostertag to the Utah Jazz for guard Raul Lopez, forward Kirk Snyder and Borchardt. Snyder would be sent to New Orleans, along with the Heat's Rasual Butler, and Borchardt would head to Boston. It's a deal that represents a major shakeup for Miami, which reached Game 7 of the Eastern Conference finals this past season -- even though O'Neal and Dwyane Wade were both hurt at the time. Jones, a career 16.4-point-per-game scorer, averaged 12.7 in the regular season and 13.7 in the playoffs as Miami's third option. Williams averaged 10.1 points and 5.6 assists for the Grizzlies last season. "He's one of the best playmakers in the game," Haslem said of Williams. Posey was limited to 50 games this past season because of injuries, and only 18 starts. He averaged 8.1 points and 4.4 rebounds. [READ]</div> Source
Miami gets the upper hand in the deal and would definatly be in the top 2 teams in the NBA. I'm not going to speculate any further until the deal is finalized.
It's Official IT'S OFFICIAL. THEY JUST CONFIRMED IT ON THE LOCAL NEWS. WOW! I would of never expected this many changes at the end of last season. Looks good to me.
Miami will definatly be a favorite to win the title. This was a great trade for both of my favorite teams. Miami gets Walker and boston gets rid of of a headache that could cause problems in the future. This is a remarkable trade.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AA13:</div><div class="quote_post">Miami will definatly be a favorite to win the title. This was a great trade for both of my favorite teams. Miami gets Walker and boston gets rid of of a headache that could cause problems in the future. This is a remarkable trade.</div> And they gain another headache that could also cause problems in the future.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Pat Riley should have his named on the GM of the Year award right away. The Heat are the best team on paper if/when this trade goes down. They have to be the favorites to win the title now.</div> That's what they said about the 2003-04 Lakers. I hate the deal. The Heat were 1 game away from going to the NBA Finals and if Shaq was 100% and Wade actually had some heart instead of sitting out, we would have been in the Finals guaran-damn-teed. No sense in messing up the entire team like this, frankly I think Riley is just making this deal to make a deal, since he can't coach, he's just doing it so he can feel important and be able to take credit for the team if we do actually win the whole thing. Bring me Lamar Odom! /rant *PUTS ON FLAME SUIT*
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Accord:</div><div class="quote_post">That's what they said about the 2003-04 Lakers. I hate the deal. The Heat were 1 game away from going to the NBA Finals and if Shaq was 100% and Wade actually had some heart instead of sitting out, we would have been in the Finals guaran-damn-teed. No sense in messing up the entire team like this, frankly I think Riley is just making this deal to make a deal, since he can't coach, he's just doing it so he can feel important and be able to take credit for the team if we do actually win the whole thing. Bring me Lamar Odom! /rant *PUTS ON FLAME SUIT*</div> The Heat are more than likely going to lose Damon Jones to FA and they already lost Keyon Dooling. They get a good PG in Jason Williams, and they get Antoine Walker who will help in the rebounding department, and they get James Posey who is a great defensive player and will add some depth to the roster. For what Miami gave up, it was a great deal for them.
