Trading Dunleavy?

I heard it from somewhere that we are probably gonna trade dunleavy, so then pietrus can move up. well, i dont no what we should get? hmm has anyone else heard of this?

 

Considering that Mullin highly prefer Dunleavy over Pietrus, I seriously doubt that it will happen...

 

Where's this somewhere, WF? On the radio or paper?

 

Yeah, I would like to hear at least where you heard it. I think maybe it was a caller to a talk radio station who might have suggested it. haha.

I would not mind trading Dunleavy and someone like Foyle, Fisher or Murphy for 1 decent player.

 

Pietrus and Zarko both had some very nice games last year. I think Mullin ultimately favors the guy who plays best. Monty wamts to win-so logically will play people who do the most to bring wins. Some guys are going to be improved. Some other teams will have their own idea of what our guys are worth. Dunleavy is a player with value,as well as a guy we have a replacement for. Dunleavy is the guy who'd be relatively easy to deal-but that's not saying we'd get the value to make it a good idea. The Warriors could have made a move pre-draft,but did not-so I think they are in no hurry to deal

 

I think they are going to let Dunleavy play this season out and let him set his own value unlike what we did for Murphy and to a lesser extent Richardson. If he plays great this year, then expect a good contract for him. If he plays like he has been for the last few years, I dont expect him back with us. I never really got the feeling he wanted to be here from the start, so ultimately, I dont expect him back after this season...

 

If we're winning I bet nobody wants to leave, unless they've got higher expectations of themself like Joe Johnson does. The guy wants to prove he's no 4th option and he wants the dough. It's an ego, personal preference and money thing. We might see something similar in let's say a guy like Pietrus, 3 time French allstar, who could be too good for the role he's playing to be 3rd/4th/5th or 6th option or Taft or Ellis or Zarko or whoever. He appears very team spirited, but who knows what he'll do if he doesn't get the role he wants and some team is willing to give him a promotion and a huge pay day.

I guess the bottom line is that Mullin will need to instill confidence in the players and that he's going to take care of them if the players are going to be sacrificing by giving up pay or reducing themselves to taking on roles despite their large array of capabilities. I think Mullin definitely did make quite a bit of statements in his FA signings with locking up Murph/Jrich and rewarding career Warrior Foyle in a rather good way for foyle, unpopular way for fans who are weary of the salary cap/luxury tax and think Foyle's true value as a big man is questionable.

Joe Johnson not getting the extensions last summer by the Suns, whereas Murph/Jrich did. This definitely played a part in JJ feeling unwanted and it was probably motivation for him to play for a contract and punish the Suns for making a big mistake in waiting too long on him. If Mullin waits too long on Dunleavy, he might be better off to deal him if he doesn't or does suddenly break out. Hopefully, we don't start trading away decent players to make room for his re-signing and he ends up wanting to go to a different team anyway. Hopefully, Barnett and Mullin are too buddy buddy with him to let this happen.

However, if he's locked up with a starter's amount, our other guys might have their own expectations on where they fit on a team's offense, how much they are worth, unless they're the type to accept the role playing and the payment they're given. We have to make a decision on who to keep because other teams go looney bin when it comes to free agent spending, especially Milwaukee and teams that don't spend very wisely or don't take good risks. We might get outbidded for our own players that we like. I would rather keep Pietrus top priority even if our lineup lacks a true small forward and keep a guy like Zarko unless we find somebody that could do what Zarko does and is a better rebounder (like Kevin Garnett ). Anyway which players complement Baron Davis the most? I think it's JRich, Biedrins, Zarko, Pietrus, and to a certain extent Mike Dunleavy if he's looking to set up Jrich/Pietrus or Bdiddy moving without the ball. Mike's not a bad player in the open court and he's played his best ball with Baron, so actually I think he's quite a good compliment to Bdiddy or a guy that doesn't handle the ball that much like Pietrus. The defense, intensity and ability to set the tempo in the game are major concerns though. He just doesn't set the tempo all that often and he often plays like he's without heart. He's not daring enough either.

 

Couple of things on Dunleavy:

1. Trading Dunleavy is just a bad idea. I've heard all the arguments about him being a disappointment and I just don't buy any of them. If you take out the fact that he was a #3 pick and just look at what he's done on the court he's a very good player. He's the perfect guy to start along side Baron, Jason, and Troy because he has no ego. He's going to make the offense run as efficiently as it can run. If it means he takes 5 shots or 20 shots in a game, he's going to do whatever he has to do to work within the offense, just like he did at Duke.

2. I don't think Dunleavy or the Warriors are interested in signing him to an extension this year. The Warriors aren't going to want to sign him for two reasons: 1) there have been a lot of big contracts signed this year and they'll want to wait until the market cools off, and 2) they still aren't sure what they have in Pietrus and whether he's able to be a starting sf or willing to be a back up sf/sg. Dunleavy is not going to want an extension because I'm sure he believes the Warriors have yet to see him at his best (I would happen to agree with Dunleavy).

3. I'm really starting to get tired of this argument that Dunleavy plays without heart or fire. It's the same argument people make about Tim Duncan. They think that since he isn't thumping his chest or talking trash that he doesn't care. That's just not the case. I've seen just as many hustle plays out of Dunleavy as I've seen out of Richardson, yet no one talks about Richardson's lack of heart.

 

I dunno Walker, let's explore number 3. I don't think Dun really plays without heart or without fire. He cares and all, but he sure seems like he didn't at times in the past because he preferred to take a backseat on the team when we needed his game. And while I respect his ability to play fundamentally sound ball I questioned his desire in the past to use all those gifts and shoot the darn ball more, get in rhythm, make the shots, and not airball it, or at least attack the rim using those ballhandling skills and get fouled while doing it. It's like he actually preferred being a complimentary player when most fans were expecting more noticeable impact during times when the team struggled. And you have to admit, he's not nearly as noticable in getting defenses to react a certain way or cranking out assists. He doesn't seem very active compared to more noticeable bench players that either hit their shots in rhythm a lot sooner, get fouled more, or apply more defensive pressure. I think part of the reasons refs stopped respecting him was because he would put on the Shakespearean flop act like they teach at Duke.

Also everything that Jrich or Tim Duncan do out on the floor is just more noticeable because they don't play like background players. I see the replays of the game on tape and Dun is involved with a "hockey assist" or textbook play, which suits me fine. But when we needed that 2nd or 3rd scorer after Jrich when Bdiddy wasn't here, it was either pre-injury Murph, Jrich or Brian Cardinal or Cliff Robinson or Pietrus and they all were relatively more noticeable in what they do in terms of activity on the court. That thing was missing in Dunleavy. In games where Pietrus actually brought us from behind singlehandedly off the bench, it made us wonder why Dunleavy couldn't step up like that. He's deceptively quick, he can drop 32 like he did against Philly one time, he got 20 pts/20 rebounds one game, but there's that question of fire and the ability to be more than a role player that just chips in when we need it. He definitely doesn't have an ego that's for sure and I don't think he's that disappointing. He's an asset who got a lot tougher in the 2nd half of the season. He was just drafted way too high with the misconception that he'd be a franchise player, that's all. That and everyone loves Pietrus, just about.

 

About Dunleavy and his progress:

1)I think people forget that Dunleavy's frame was not NBA ready until last season. Jamison got moved before he should have because we had the opportunity to move Fortson's contract. People conveniently forget that.

2) As fun as Arenas and Speedy were to watch, they never got Dun Dun the ball where he needed it to shoot. Arenas consistently dribbled down the clock and forced others to throw up last second shots and Speedy never put the ball where shooters like to catch it. Davis came along and all that changed. (Just look at what it does for guys like Pietrus even)

3) Dunleavy is a "flow" guy. He gets down on himself pretty quickly but somewhere around when Davis started, his attitude and confidence mirrored that of his latter Dukie days. (Remember how tentative he was his freshman year?)

4) It's a contract year, and he's been reportedly busting his hump in the offseason. One of my buddies saw him in the city and said he looks like he's 15-20 lbs stronger (I don't want to say heavier because he said that Dunleavy looked ripped)

All of these being said, if Davis stays healthy, I think Dunleavy will have a breakout season. Even BDavis commented that he thinks that Duleavy has it in him to be the 3 point champ at the all-start break. Now let me also qualify this by saying that in no way do I believe that he's the type of player that leads a team and takes games over day in and day out. But the team no doubt is better when he shows up. And ever since Davis took over he showed up consistently.

Just my $0.02

 

First, I never imagined Dunleavy to be a franchise player or even an All-Star just because we spent 3rd pick back then. And, I think Dunleavy has improved rather nicely after Davis came. Also, at this point, I prefer Dunleavy to be a starting SF instead of Pietrus, because all Davis, Richardson and Murphy will look for his shots, so it's nice to have somebody who look for others like Dunleavy, while Pietrus can be a spark plug for 2nd unit.

That has been said...

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/golden_state.htm

Current caproom is 57 mils and I believe luxury tax line is 69 mils for this year. Since, we do not know the exact number of both Richardson and Murphy's contract, let's just say Richardson gets 12 mils per year and Murphy gets 10 mils per year, which are their average salaries per year. That makes our payroll to 59 mils excluding Diogu, Taft and Ellis' contract.

Now next year, only Cheaney's contract expires, and even without Dulneavy's contract, our contract will hit 57 mils + this year and next year's rookie contract. In other word, unless we dump salaries + trade next year's pick, we will easily go over 60 mils mark without Dunleavy's contract. That will probably give about 6-9 mils to work with Dunleavy, Pietrus, Zarko, and possibly Biedrins. In other word, unless Cohan decides to pay chunk of luxury tax, we have to choose who will stay and who will go. And, both Dunleavy and Pietrus will likely to ask for a big extention, which we can't afford to keep both. Yes, I would like to keep both guys as much as any other Warrios fans, but like how Suns forced to give up on Johnson, that just isn't possible barring from a miracle. Technically, we MAY be able to keep both Dunleavy and Pietrus' new extention by waiving Fisher. However, that's just delaying our financial problem by a year, and when the problem finally visits us, it will be even bigger than what we have to face a year or two. Therefore, we must choose between Dunleavy and Pietrus.

In long term view, IMO it's silly to give up Pietrus. While Dunleavy is already hitting his max potential, Pietrus just started to scratch his potential. And, as raw as Pietrus is now, he is already closing the gap between him and Dunleavy rapidly. Also, Dunleavy will remain as a defense liability for his entire career, and we have to hide Dunleavy in defense end, while leaving Richardson to guard tougher players. Players like Richardson should save his energy for the offense end, when role players like Dunleavy should help Richardson in defense end, however that obviously won't be the case, if we keep Dunleavy in our starting role. In other hand, Pietrus' defense is already good, and he defends tougher players for Richardson right now. And, with some experience, his defense will be even better. Also, for the other end, there is no question that Dunleavy really got benefit from Davis. In last month, Dunleavy shot 52% from the field including 51% from 3 pts. However, Pietrus also shot 51% from the field and 44% from 3 pts as well. So, even if we substitute Dunleavy to Pietrus, there won't be much drop off in offense end right now.

Dunleavy is a rare player, who does everything little bit. However, I really don't think those little things impact this ball club much. After all, when Dunleavy actually looks good is when Dunleavy starts to hit jumpers, not when he does little things to change the game. When he couldn't hit jumpers, he was invisible.

The biggest problem I have with Dunleavy is ironically not because how Dunleavy plays, but it's because of our management. I would feel much better if both guys can get a same chance, but I really don't think that's the case, since Mullin seems to love Dunleavy. If so, we are most likely to resign Dunleavy with heavy extention, and we will force to trade Pietrus, because we can't afford him. And, if Mullin even attempts to resign both guys, he obviously didn't learn from last offseason's disaster.

Dunleavy is nice luxury to have, and if possible, I would love to keep both Dunleavy and Pietrus. However, when you are short of money, you just can't keep 30 inch flat TV. Instead, you buy Camry, which you can ride to your work. Even right now, the difference between Dunleavy and Pietrus aren't that big, and it's likely that Pietrus will potentially be much better player than Dunleavy. I only hope Warriors management makes right decision by considering a long term, instead of immidiate gain...

 

I just realize that my cap and luxury tax number are too big. Does anybody remember this year's cap figure and luxury tax line?

 

Thank you for the info. Yeah, that sounds right. Dang, we are in worse situation than I originally thought. And, it's not like my original thought has much optimism to begin with. Hang on tight, because we are due for some serious change next season, if not earlier...

 

I think Earlier... We need to hope that Murphy starts the season off putting up good numbers so we can move him to the East

 

I hope we trade Murphy to get something good for him, not because we want to dump him. Frankly, I think he was injured last year. There's some noticeable differences between how his game was last year and the years before when he was healthy. But if he's continously a defensive liability and doesn't cut it as a help defender, it'd be great to swap him in with Zarko or Taft or let somebody like Diogu move the ball or get fouled more. None of those guys are proven starters though, but Taft's potential as a Warrior intrigues me for some reason. His game seems eerily reminscent of Chris Wilcox's open floor game mixed with Nene's physical skills and big mits.

 

Murphy's contract seals the deal for me. I like him, he just doesn't fit in when we have young guys behind him for so much cheaper. If you can move him and pick up a vet for the vet exception, I doubt you lose more in talent then you do in salary. The same goes for Fisher. I think those are the only 2 guys on the team that you can really say that about (unless Mully dumps a huge coin on Dunleavy)

 

Dunleavy is a good player-unless you think of him as the 3rd pick or a guy getting a $6 mill salary per. To me,Dunleavy has borderlone quickness for a SF,though he runs well once moving. He can shoot-but a good defender can really contain him. He's versatile,has enough smarts and skills that if one thing is not working,he helps in other areas. A stronger Dunleavy? That could help,though he never has had a power style. A quicker Dunleavy probably would have more impact. I like Mike as a 6th man,a 4 position guy who has seemed to do well in asymetrical matchups.

I don't see threads where fans of other teams are looking to deal for Mike. I don't see teams bidding up the price beyond the MLE area.

 

Dunleavy is a good SF but a frontcourt of Dun/Murph/Foyle will get exposed. For Murphy to look better, he'd need to play with a guy like Granger, Posey, Artest, Marion. A player whom is strong and agile. For Dunleavy to prosper, he should play with a PF who has ideally has an inside game. It would be icing on the cake if he was an outside shooter. Before Baron's arrival, there were many quotes of Dunleavy criticizing the team's floor spacing. It was right on w's.com after the Clippers game. I can't guarantee he was talking about Murphy but that makes the most sense.

There is no way Murphy will be a Golden State Warrior in 2 years. Now we've drafted Diogu. There are talks of Biedrins playing some 4 according to Monty and we even drafted Taft. Taft's reputation has gone to sh*t but I really like him coming off the bench and he's cheap. You have 3 options here....