How good do you people think Antoine Wright will do for his rookie year? I think he won't have too much of a spectacular year with the Nets mainly because the players he would have to substitute for are players who will get most of the time in the games (E.G. Vince or RJ). Also from the stats he got in the summer league, he won't be able to get those stats because of the level of play will be higher and the players will be better.
Depends on who we resign during the off-season. If we bring Buford, Thomas, and/or Best back and keep Planinic, then we probably won't see a huge impact from him. Hopefully he can be productive off the bench when VC and RJ are tired or even injured.
I really wanted the Magic to take Wright at the eleven picks, but we have no type of front office personnel. I feel like Wright will be a great player in the future probably average around eighteen to twenty points in his prime. This season however with the Kidd, Carter, and Jefferson trio I don?t see him having that big a impact in terms of statistics. I still think he will be one of the top rookies in the league I predict his statistics will look something like this... 8.7 PPG 4.5 RPG 3.2 APG 43 % FG I think he will be a good all around player he has all the weapons to be a factor in the three main columns assists, rebounds, and points. I wish we could see the Nets go with a small lineup for certain stages of the games in which they would play Wright at the three and Jefferson at the four. That would be a highlight real waiting to happen.
I think Wright might end up a victim of circumstance; with the wings that Jersey already has, it's going to be tough for the kid to get many minutes. He'd do best to play hard on defense, and continue improving his outside jumper, because any team can use shooters who can defend. I see him averaging somewhere around 5 or 6 points, with the occasional big game, with 2 rebounds and 2 assists. I think playing with a playmaker like Kidd will only help him grow as an all around player. He showed a willingness and ability to get his teammates involved last year at Texas A&M.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">I really wanted the Magic to take Wright at the eleven picks, but we have no type of front office personnel. I feel like Wright will be a great player in the future probably average around eighteen to twenty points in his prime. This season however with the Kidd, Carter, and Jefferson trio I don?t see him having that big a impact in terms of statistics. I still think he will be one of the top rookies in the league I predict his statistics will look something like this... 8.7 PPG 4.5 RPG 3.2 APG 43 % FG I think he will be a good all around player he has all the weapons to be a factor in the three main columns assists, rebounds, and points. I wish we could see the Nets go with a small lineup for certain stages of the games in which they would play Wright at the three and Jefferson at the four. That would be a highlight real waiting to happen.</div> Same here I wanted the Magic to grab him at the 11 spot because I think he can do good in the future.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting giftedvisionz:</div><div class="quote_post">Depends on who we resign during the off-season. If we bring Buford, Thomas, and/or Best back and keep Planinic, then we probably won't see a huge impact from him. Hopefully he can be productive off the bench when VC and RJ are tired or even injured.</div> I dont think Rodney, Travis or Billy Thomas is coming back. The Nets will probably add either Wesley Person, Allan Houston, Doug Christie *cross my fingers in hope* or some type of shooter along that line. As far as Antoine Wright goes, I think he will have every chance in the world to be apart of Coach Franks regular rotation cause I think the hope for Zoran Planinic is fading. And Rod Thorn recently said that he may use the anmesty clause aka the Allan Houston rule, hopefully he uses it on Mercer. So Antoine Wright will get his shot. And if he can display range, I think he will be the 4th wing player behind Carter, Jefferson and hopefully Christie or Houston. If not then I think it opens up another opportunity for Zoran Planinic, who with the arrival of Wright in the draft is the odd man out of rotation, imo.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">I really wanted the Magic to take Wright at the eleven picks, but we have no type of front office personnel. I feel like Wright will be a great player in the future probably average around eighteen to twenty points in his prime. This season however with the Kidd, Carter, and Jefferson trio I don?t see him having that big a impact in terms of statistics. I still think he will be one of the top rookies in the league I predict his statistics will look something like this... 8.7 PPG 4.5 RPG 3.2 APG 43 % FG I think he will be a good all around player he has all the weapons to be a factor in the three main columns assists, rebounds, and points. I wish we could see the Nets go with a small lineup for certain stages of the games in which they would play Wright at the three and Jefferson at the four. That would be a highlight real waiting to happen.</div> 4.5 RPG? How about a 'No'? He won't even get that many rebounds even if he started. He's too soft to be a force in the rebounding department and he better learn to stay away from camping in the perimeter because that ain't going to help him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinKanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">4.5 RPG? How about a 'No'? He won't even get that many rebounds even if he started. He's too soft to be a force in the rebounding department and he better learn to stay away from camping in the perimeter because that ain't going to help him.</div> Your logic to determine this is? The Nets do not have the strongest front line players in the second unit. In his three years at college the lowest rebound total he had was 4.1 a game in his second season he averaged 5.9 his last season and 6.1 his freshman year. So he has actually averaged over 5 rebound for the better part of his college career. Does that necessarily mean it will translate to the NBA? No, but you saying he is soft, and there is no way he will average that you have nothing to base that on. He is 6?7? extremely athletic, and has averaged over or around those numbers most of his career.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">Your logic to determine this is? The Nets do not have the strongest front line players in the second unit. In his three years at college the lowest rebound total he had was 4.1 a game in his second season he averaged 5.9 his last season and 6.1 his freshman year. So he has actually averaged over 5 rebound for the better part of his college career. Does that necessarily mean it will translate to the NBA? No, but you saying he is soft, and there is no way he will average that you have nothing to base that on. He is 6?7? extremely athletic, and has averaged over or around those numbers most of his career.</div> The logic is based on the fact that I've watched the Aggies play and he was playing alongside the likes of Jones and Pompey, both extremely undersized to play C/PF even at the college level, and it should be a given that the wings are expected to go after the loose ball under that kind of circumstance. He is soft, if the games I've seen are of any indication. He shies away from contact and as a result he doesn't get to the line as often as he should. Stats don't tell the whole story about a player, but since you went as far to say Wright is 'extremely athletic', I'll give you a pointer. An NBA player with a 29-inch vertical, a 11.45 second lane agility time, and 3.41 second 3/4 court sprint is not and should not be considered athletic, let alone 'extremely athletic'. He ranked third last in the Chicago Pre-draft camp measurements, beating only Ike Diogue and Andrikevicius, who are both big men.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinKanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">The logic is based on the fact that I've watched the Aggies play and he was playing alongside the likes of Jones and Pompey, both extremely undersized to play C/PF even at the college level, and it should be a given that the wings are expected to go after the loose ball under that kind of circumstance. He is soft, if the games I've seen are of any indication. He shies away from contact and as a result he doesn't get to the line as often as he should. Stats don't tell the whole story about a player, but since you went as far to say Wright is 'extremely athletic', I'll give you a pointer. An NBA player with a 29-inch vertical, a 11.45 second lane agility time, and 3.41 second 3/4 court sprint is not and should not be considered athletic, let alone 'extremely athletic'. He ranked third last in the Chicago Pre-draft camp measurements, beating only Ike Diogue and Andrikevicius, who are both big men.</div> Undersized to play PF/C but pretty good size for SF/SG were he would most likely be used. Again you are stating he is soft in your opinion in the games you have seen, and then stating their is no way he will get 4.5 rebounds this year, when he has shown in the past he can. In the end of the day it?s your opinion vs. statistics he has received in the past. I think you can make a more accurate prediction of what a player?s statistics will be from past performances rather than your own assessment. He is 6?7? and 210 pounds, which will put him in pretty good position to get rebounds at small forward. A vertical is not the biggest need for a player to get rebounds if a player is boxing a guy out the other players vertical will not help him out much. Also how are you going to tell me statistics don't tell the story with him. Then read me off statistics taken at a draft camp?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">Undersized to play PF/C but pretty good size for SF/SG were he would most likely be used. Again you are stating he is soft in your opinion in the games you have seen, and then stating their is no way he will get 4.5 rebounds this year, when he has shown in the past he can. In the end of the day it?s your opinion vs. statistics he has received in the past. I think you can make a more accurate prediction of what a player?s statistics will be from past performances rather than your own assessment. He is 6?7? and 210 pounds, which will put him in pretty good position to get rebounds at small forward. ?</div> Er... I was saying Joseph Jones and Marlon Pompey were undersized, who played center and power forward in Texas A&M, not Antoine Wright. It would be beyond delusional to suggest that Wright can play PF/C. He is soft, and soft players usually don't get rebounds on the NBA level. You keep bringing up stats but if your theory was right, don't you think the likes of Michael Olowokandi - who averaged 22.2 ppg / 11.2 rpg in college - and Rafael Araujo would've averaged similar rebounding numbers as their college numbers? Michael Olowokandi never averaged a double double in the NBA, let alone a double digit rebound average, and he's been in the league for 7 years. If stats were that accurate in predicting a player's future, teams wouldn't need General Managers, or scouts for that matter, and everyone who were successful in college will automatically be all-stars in the NBA. Antoine Wright actually measured 6' 5 1/4" without shoes and 6' 6 1/4", and his vertical reach / wingspan weren't that impressive either, at 8' 8 1/2" and 6' 8 3/4" respectively. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">A vertical is not the biggest need for a player to get rebounds if a player is boxing a guy out the other players vertical will not help him out much. </div> You originally said Antoine Wright was 'extremely athletic' and that's why I used his vertical and agility time as a proof to show that he is not athletic in NBA standards. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">Also how are you going to tell me statistics don't tell the story with him. Then read me off statistics taken at a draft camp?</div> I did say I am only using those measurements to give you a pointer. Measurements do not equal to stats. Learn to read the entire post before going off saying how come I did this and that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinKanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">Er... I was saying Joseph Jones and Marlon Pompey were undersized, who played center and power forward in Texas A&M, not Antoine Wright. It would be beyond delusional to suggest that Wright can play PF/C. He is soft, and soft players usually don't get rebounds on the NBA level. You keep bringing up stats but if your theory was right, don't you think the likes of Michael Olowokandi - who averaged 22.2 ppg / 11.2 rpg in college - and Rafael Araujo would've averaged similar rebounding numbers as their college numbers? Michael Olowokandi never averaged a double double in the NBA, let alone a double digit rebound average, and he's been in the league for 7 years. If stats were that accurate in predicting a player's future, teams wouldn't need General Managers, or scouts for that matter, and everyone who were successful in college will automatically be all-stars in the NBA. </div> When those two players were selected in the lottery I can guarantee you the teams that selected them thought they would average pretty good statistics. Of course college statistics do not always equal NBA statistics if you read my previous posts you would have seen that I stated that already. However, you are trying to say he is soft by your assessment. The best thing you have to predict his statistics right now is the things he did in college and those are my predictions from that. You can have your opinion go ahead I will make my predictions from his past performances, not on weather another person thinks he is soft or not. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vinkanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">Antoine Wright actually measured 6' 5 1/4" without shoes and 6' 6 1/4", and his vertical reach / wingspan weren't that impressive either, at 8' 8 1/2" and 6' 8 3/4" respectively. </div> Wrights Player Profile I am/will go by that. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vinkanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">You originally said Antoine Wright was 'extremely athletic' and that's why I used his vertical and agility time as a proof to show that he is not athletic in NBA standards. </div> You have your assessment that he is soft. I have mine he is athletic form when I have seen him play. Jerry Rice put up some horrible numbers in the 40, and other wide out drills in the NFL combine we all know how good a player he was. Draft camps/combines don?t tell you a lot there are things known as game day players. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vinkanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">I did say I am only using those measurements to give you a pointer. Measurements do not equal to stats. Learn to read the entire post before going off saying how come I did this and that.</div> Statistics definition = figures Synonyms= info, data, information (measurements can be considered statistics) Measurements = figures which is the definition of statistics
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">When those two players were selected in the lottery I can guarantee you the teams that selected them thought they would average pretty good statistics. Of course college statistics do not always equal NBA statistics if you read my previous posts you would have seen that I stated that already. However, you are trying to say he is soft by your assessment. The best thing you have to predict his statistics right now is the things he did in college and those are my predictions from that. You can have your opinion go ahead I will make my predictions from his past performances, not on weather another person thinks he is soft or not.</div> Okay, just what is it with you and statistics? Did you even read the first sentence in my second post? Do you want me to go as far as to quote what I said? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The logic is based on the fact that I've watched the Aggies play and he was playing alongside the likes of Jones and Pompey, both extremely undersized to play C/PF even at the college level, and it should be a given that the wings are expected to go after the loose ball under that kind of circumstance.</div> When I said "it should be a given that the wings are expected to go after the loose ball under that kind of circumstance", it meant because Wright was playing alongside undersized C/PF, he would have and should have averaged at least 4-5 rpg, which he did. I get that you are stubborn, but you have to admit something when it's due. I'll give Antoine Wright that he's a good shooter, but he's by no means an athletic player. Sure he will have a highlight here and there but if you are expecting him to be someone like JR Smith or Josh Smith, you're completely wrong, and any knowledgeable member of Justbball.com will tell you that. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">Wrights Player Profile I am/will go by that.</div> Oh, so if the NBA profile says Kevin Garnett is only 6'11" and 220 lbs, you're gonna believe that and that only? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">You have your assessment that he is soft. I have mine he is athletic form when I have seen him play. Jerry Rice put up some horrible numbers in the 40, and other wide out drills in the NFL combine we all know how good a player he was. Draft camps/combines don?t tell you a lot there are things known as game day players.</div> If you had seen him play, you wouldn't make claims like he's 'extremely athletic'. He is a good perimeter shooter, but not the athletic freak that you make him out to be. Football does not equal basketball, and I never said Wright won't be a good player. Draft Camp numbers don't tell you a lot? Well, explain to me in a logical fashion why players' stocks are so much dependent on the workouts. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">Statistics definition = figures Synonyms= info, data, information (measurements can be considered statistics) Measurements = figures which is the definition of statistics</div> Trying to be a smart guy huh? Of course, that's the literal meaning described on the Webster dictionary, but are you going to say the height/weight/vertical reach/wingspan/vertical jump figures are the same thing as statistics? Statistics in this case would mean numbers such as Points Per Game, Rebounds Per Game, Assists Per Game and etc. And you seem to agree if you are mentioning Wright's RPG number as statistics.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinKanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">Okay, just what is it with you and statistics? Did you even read the first sentence in my second post? Do you want me to go as far as to quote what I said? When I said "it should be a given that the wings are expected to go after the loose ball under that kind of circumstance", it meant because Wright was playing alongside undersized C/PF, he would have and should have averaged at least 4-5 rpg, which he did. </div>Are you about to sit here and tell me he can not do the same with the second unit front court the Nets have. Collins is good, but not very mobile or quick to the long rebounds. That right there may lead to two or three rebounds when he is on the court. If some point guards in the league can average better numbers than that I still can not see why you feel he can not do the same. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vinkanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">I get that you are stubborn, but you have to admit something when it's due. I'll give Antoine Wright that he's a good shooter, but he's by no means an athletic player. Sure he will have a highlight here and there but if you are expecting him to be someone like JR Smith or Josh Smith, you're completely wrong, and any knowledgeable member of Justbball.com will tell you that. </div> Ok sure get whatever feeling you want. Did I say he was going to be a KR Smith? I said he is athletic if the word extremely bothered you I will remove it. With Jason Kidd in the backcourt he will make him look good on a lot of plays. He has the jumping ability and speed to get up and down the court which along with Jason Kidd would give him a few extra highlights. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vinkanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh, so if the NBA profile says Kevin Garnett is only 6'11" and 220 lbs, you're gonna believe that and that only? </div> Well if it came to believing the official team site or you. I guess I would. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vinkannady:</div><div class="quote_post">If you had seen him play, you wouldn't make claims like he's 'extremely athletic'. He is a good perimeter shooter, but not the athletic freak that you make him out to be. Football does not equal basketball, and I never said Wright won't be a good player. Draft Camp numbers don't tell you a lot? Well, explain to me in a logical fashion why players' stocks are so much dependent on the workouts. </div> It affects stock well, because they have head to head competitions, and are the best judgment on what type of player the general managers feel like they would be drafting. Also a lot of times GM?s don?t get to see all these players during the season, and at times it is their firs took at these players. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vinkannady:</div><div class="quote_post">Trying to be a smart guy huh? Of course, that's the literal meaning described on the Webster dictionary, but are you going to say the height/weight/vertical reach/wingspan/vertical jump figures are the same thing as statistics? Statistics in this case would mean numbers such as Points Per Game, Rebounds Per Game, Assists Per Game and etc. And you seem to agree if you are mentioning Wright's RPG number as statistics.</div> Trying to be smart? Me never. I was simply replying to what you stated. You stated measurements were not stats. To defend my point I proved they were. You also need to look at the topic it is predict Wright?s statistics, which is what I did. Does that mean you have to like it? Not necessarily which is why it is your prediction. If you just came into this thread to give your two cents on my predictions why are you even bothering to post here?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">Are you about to sit here and tell me he can not do the same with the second unit front court the Nets have. Collins is good, but not very mobile or quick to the long rebounds. That right there may lead to two or three rebounds when he is on the court. If some point guards in the league can average better numbers than that I still can not see why you feel he can not do the same.</div> Those point guards average better rebounding numbers than that because they play 35 minutes a game. Are you going to tell me that Antoine Wright is going to play 35 minutes a game, over Vince and Jefferson? He's coming off the bench, and probably will not average more than 10~15 mpg. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Ok sure get whatever feeling you want. Did I say he was going to be a KR Smith? I said he is athletic if the word extremely bothered you I will remove it. With Jason Kidd in the backcourt he will make him look good on a lot of plays. He has the jumping ability and speed to get up and down the court which along with Jason Kidd would give him a few extra highlights.</div> I did say that he will get his share of highlights. It's JR Smith by the way, not KR Smith. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Well if it came to believing the official team site or you. I guess I would. </div> Me? You think I'm pulling out the measurements out of nowhere? http://www.insidehoops.com/chicago-camp-measurements.shtml <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Wright, Antoine 6' 5?" 6' 6?" 202.6 6' 8?" 8' 8?" </div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">It affects stock well, because they have head to head competitions, and are the best judgment on what type of player the general managers feel like they would be drafting. Also a lot of times GM?s don?t get to see all these players during the season, and at times it is their firs took at these players.</div> What? I asked you to explain why players' stocks are so much dependent on the workouts if, like you claim, draft camp doesn't tell you a lot. You're just supporting my point that draft camps / workouts do tell you a lot about a player. Thanks a lot. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Trying to be smart? Me never. I was simply replying to what you stated. You stated measurements were not stats. To defend my point I proved they were. </div> I feel like I'm talking with my five year old cousin. Didn't I just explain in a paragraph that stats are different from measurements? You're crazy if you think measurements in 'feet', 'inches', and 'pounds' are the same thing as Point Per Game, Rebound Per Game and Assists Per Game. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You also need to look at the topic it is predict Wright?s statistics, which is what I did. Does that mean you have to like it? Not necessarily which is why it is your prediction. If you just came into this thread to give your two cents on my predictions why are you even bothering to post here?</div> It is your prediction, and I don't have to like it, but do you own any rights or is there any law that says I can't debate on the issue? Please.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinKanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">Those point guards average better rebounding numbers than that because they play 35 minutes a game. Are you going to tell me that Antoine Wright is going to play 35 minutes a game, over Vince and Jefferson? He's coming off the bench, and probably will not average more than 10~15 mpg. </div> Did I say that? Well there is your answer. I think Wright can play 20-25 minutes since he is a swingman, with his size I think he can get 4.5 rebounds a game. You act like I said he would get an extraordinary amount of rebounds. 4.5 is not that hard to come by. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinKanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">I did say that he will get his share of highlights. It's JR Smith by the way, not KR Smith. </div> Oh boy that really helps support your argument. Thanks I really didn?t know it was JR Smith ever consider a typo? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vinkanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">Me? You think I'm pulling out the measurements out of nowhere? http://www.insidehoops.com/chicago-camp-measurements.shtml</div> . Did I say you were pulling the statistics out of nowhere I still choose to believe the team site. They are the most recent measurements, and are still as equally a reliable source. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vinkanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">What? I asked you to explain why players' stocks are so much dependent on the workouts if, like you claim, draft camp doesn't tell you a lot. You're just supporting my point that draft camps / workouts do tell you a lot about a player. Thanks a lot. </div> I helped your case? I stated that it is the best things general mangers have to go by. Which if they don?t follow could cost them their jobs. It is also the first chance they get to see the players. How did I help your case? I still feel that paper measurements are being taken way to highly these days in the league, and the pure basketball player is getting fewer opportunities because of it.If you mean because I said it matters to the general mangers I guess I helped you out. I still don?t feel it means much about you as a player after you get drafted <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vinkanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">I feel like I'm talking with my five year old cousin. Didn't I just explain in a paragraph that stats are different from measurements? You're crazy if you think measurements in 'feet', 'inches', and 'pounds' are the same thing as Point Per Game, Rebound Per Game and Assists Per Game. </div> I feel like I?m talking to a little child who feels that there opinion is worth more than a fact. You stated that it is not a statistic I showed you it was. Take it how you want it tries to work it into your own words, but in the end of the day it falls under the category of a statistic. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Vinkanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">It is your prediction, and I don't have to like it, but do you own any rights or is there any law that says I can't debate on the issue? Please.</div> Oh yea I got it right here. You got a fax I could send it to you.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post"> Did I say you were pulling the statistics out of nowhere I still choose to believe the team site. They are the most recent measurements, and are still as equally a reliable source.</div> NBA.com? NBA.com recent measurements don't go together.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Banks:</div><div class="quote_post">NBA.com? NBA.com recent measurements don't go together.</div> It was actually nba.com/nets lol, but I get what you mean. However, he is a rookie so the soonest he could have been measured by the Nets doctors would have been after he was drafted which was after the draft camp. Which makes it the most recent.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">Did I say that? Well there is your answer. I think Wright can play 20-25 minutes since he is a swingman, with his size I think he can get 4.5 rebounds a game. You act like I said he would get an extraordinary amount of rebounds. 4.5 is not that hard to come by. </div> Did you say what? Listen, you're not making any sense whatsoever, so why don't you just accept the part where you were wrong? I acknowledged that I did miss the interview of Allen Iverson and Steven A. Smith on that thread in NY forum, and it takes a bigger of a man to accept his fault than to lay out excuses. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh boy that really helps support your argument. Thanks I really didn?t know it was JR Smith ever consider a typo?</div> Why don't you focus on the first part? And a correction is a correction, regardless of the cause. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Did I say you were pulling the statistics out of nowhere I still choose to believe the team site. They are the most recent measurements, and are still as equally a reliable source.</div> This is exactly what you said: <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Well if it came to believing the official team site or you.</div> And that practically means I was the one coming up with non-sense measurements, which I'm not. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I helped your case? I stated that it is the best things general mangers have to go by. Which if they don?t follow could cost them their jobs. It is also the first chance they get to see the players. How did I help your case? I still feel that paper measurements are being taken way to highly these days in the league, and the pure basketball player is getting fewer opportunities because of it.If you mean because I said it matters to the general mangers I guess I helped you out. I still don?t feel it means much about you as a player after you get drafted</div> Yes, you did. Instead of going against your idea that draft camps don't matter much, you went with my idea that they do factor in quite a bit. You fail to comprehend your own point, and I won't be surprised if you didn't understand why we're debating either. Measurements are just as important as the players' individual talents. Which player would you take, considering that they had about the same level of talent? A 5'11 guy or a 6'3 guy? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I feel like I?m talking to a little child who feels that there opinion is worth more than a fact. You stated that it is not a statistic I showed you it was. Take it how you want it tries to work it into your own words, but in the end of the day it falls under the category of a statistic.</div> When did I even say anything remotely close to that? I never said my opinion is worth more than a fact, and it's really sad that you're taking STATS as FACTS when it comes down to a basketball player. You're only copying my statement. What does that make you other than a child? I said statistics don't equal measurements in our case. Instead of sidestepping out of the argument, why don't you prove to me that height and weight equals to PPG / RPG / APG? You can't prove it, period. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh yea I got it right here. You got a fax I could send it to you.</div> You know one liners such as this are against the Justbball.com guidelines right? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">1) Meaningless, one liner posts 4) Posting sentences without proper grammar</div> Guidelines
Can you guys stop fighting like little kids and get back on topic. I think Wright will average around 7 ppg this year off the bench. He'll be a good producer off the bench for VC and RJ.
