<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MAKEOUTCITY:</div><div class="quote_post">omg, another dude who bases all his assumptions through stats...one stat - triple doubles...tell me who played the best in last year's nba finals series...they voted Timmy D as MVP...why? stats. who really played the best in that championship winning team...GINOBILI and HORRY. you say those PG's don't play defense and one-sided players? who led the league in steals percentage...half of those names are in top 10...where is Jason Kidd exactly? not even among the top 50? is that wut you call a good defender?</div> he only played 1/2 the season!!! Is being a leader a stat? Is making every1 better on your team a stat? NO! OK steals, but what about rebounds huh? Where are they? What do the spurs have to do with this debate??? Timmy D makes every1 around him better and is a true leader and an MVP is a leader who is the reason his team is so great which is what TD is.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MAKEOUTCITY:</div><div class="quote_post">listen man, i don't mean to burst ur bubble...but you need to quit looking at this like ur in space jam or something. RJ came back last year and had the chance to play with Carter...wut did he do? all i saw was Carter in the score sheets. Kidd is not the second best point guard in the game...let me repeat this...JA...SON...KIDD...NOT THE 2ND BEST POINTGUARD IN THE GAME. #1 --> Nash #2 --> Billups #3 --> Iverson #4 --> Marbury #5 --> Francis #6 --> Bibby #7 --> Mike James #8 --> Hinrich #9 --> Milt Palacio #10 --> Kidd (and I'm being kind here...) Dude, as Iverson gets older...he gets better. Do not compare Kidd to Iverson. Iverson is probably the best player in the world right now...all-round player-wise. as for the nets, i'll say it again...and again, as much as i can...because it's true. OVERRATED...there's no way they're reaching the eastern conference finals ever again. that chemistry is long gone.</div> Your list is messed up as it is already....But you didn't even include Tony Parker or Baron Davis.....
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MAKEOUTCITY:</div><div class="quote_post">dude, that's your expert analyzation? you couldn't find any proof or evidence to back ur shite up, so you stick ur thumb up ur anus and think that i'm bad mouthing the nets because vc was traded there? first of all, i'm a vc fan...when he's remembered, he'll be remembered as a Raptor...not for being in New Jersey...he's done nothing significant in that city....nothing at all as memorable as his history with the Raptors franchise.</div> New Jersey's a state
Even Larry Brown wanted Marbury to play like Kidd. Than again Brown must be an idiot and should ask Marbury to play like Francis or (Mike) James but it doesnt matter becuase he isnt a PG but a SG.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MAKEOUTCITY:</div><div class="quote_post">ok...OK..listen. Richard Jefferson...there is nothing special about this guy. sure, he was in the 2004 olympic team...but you know what? mcgrady, vc, shaq, and all these other players didn't want to play...the only reason they put this guy in there was because they needed the players and practically became desperate.</div> i mean yea this makes a lot of sence i mean he only avereged 22 points 7 boards and 4 assits i mean thats herendence i mean milt palacio can do that
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting thedude9990:</div><div class="quote_post">New Jersey's a state </div> thanks for correcting
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting thedude9990:</div><div class="quote_post">i mean yea this makes a lot of sence i mean he only avereged 22 points 7 boards and 4 assits i mean thats herendence i mean milt palacio can do that</div> Oh come on if Milt can do it then so can i.
If you were to ask any number of NBa players and askthem where Jason Kidd ranks among pg's they'd say either 1 or 2.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MAKEOUTCITY:</div><div class="quote_post">listen man, i don't mean to burst ur bubble...but you need to quit looking at this like ur in space jam or something. RJ came back last year and had the chance to play with Carter...wut did he do? all i saw was Carter in the score sheets. Kidd is not the second best point guard in the game...let me repeat this...JA...SON...KIDD...NOT THE 2ND BEST POINTGUARD IN THE GAME. #1 --> Nash #2 --> Billups #3 --> Iverson #4 --> Marbury #5 --> Francis #6 --> Bibby #7 --> Mike James #8 --> Hinrich #9 --> Milt Palacio #10 --> Kidd (and I'm being kind here...) Dude, as Iverson gets older...he gets better. Do not compare Kidd to Iverson. Iverson is probably the best player in the world right now...all-round player-wise. as for the nets, i'll say it again...and again, as much as i can...because it's true. OVERRATED...there's no way they're reaching the eastern conference finals ever again. that chemistry is long gone.</div> i mean that list makes a lot of sence, i mean people like mike james,milt palacio,hinrich,bibby,marbury,and francis(mostly milt and james) i mean there all way better than kidd. i mean they can get a triple double in there sleep. they all averged close to 15 points 10 assits and 7 rebounds a game. i mean milt palacio. i mean milt palacto avereges 5 points 3assits and 2 boards for his career. for a pg i think u shuld be able to averge more than 5 assits per game something that james and palacio have never done.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NbaBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh come on if Milt can do it then so can i.</div> i was being sarcastic
There is no point of discussin it anymore. MAKEOUTCITY your wrong and you should feel stupid for some of the things you said. I havent read one person who has agreed with you so stop.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting thedude9990:</div><div class="quote_post">i was being sarcastic</div> I know. I was kidding around too.
makeoutcity, you tell me to back up my stuff so why don;t you back up yours, because you really haven't given us any reason to even consider these guys better than Kidd.
Before I say anything everyone in this thread needs to cool it down with the personal insults. Or pretty soon they might get a pm from Hunter, Shape, or Mel saying you have been banned/suspended from Justbball. I see a point guard as a player who?s job it is to distribute the ball to his teammates, and make sure the offense runs smoothly, and in the right direction. So as a ?point guard? Jason Kidd is as good as they come in the NBA. Him and Nash have to be the best players who fit that description of a player running an offense while at the same time distributing the ball to his teammates. MAKEOUTCITY true some of those players you listed average better statistics then Jason does, but none of them are at Jason?s level as a ?point? guard except perhaps Marbury (not that big a stretch). One thing people have to remember is that Jason was coming off a injury when he was playing all last season so he had that lingering all season. I do not think he ?lost a step? not quite yet, but rather that he was not fully recovered when he was playing which was the reason he did not play at the level he has the past few seasons.
i mean guys i mean hes sord of rite i mean the nets offer palacio a 1.5 million dollar contract to start over and have kidd who has a 15 million dollar contract i belive,be the backup
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting thedude9990:</div><div class="quote_post">i mean guys i mean hes sord of rite i mean the nets offer palacio a 1.5 million dollar contract to start over and have kidd who has a 15 million dollar contract i belive,be the backup</div> Oh really and i though they wanted to sign Milt to start and have Kidd be the backup. My mistake......(Sarcasm)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NbaBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">There is no point of discussin it anymore. MAKEOUTCITY your wrong and you should feel stupid for some of the things you said. I havent read one person who has agreed with you so stop.</div> umm maybe because i'm inside a new jersey forum? Ranked in order of average home attendance: 1 Detroit 22,076 2 Dallas 20,032 3 Chicago 19,977 4 Miami 19,856 5 New York 19,505 6 Cleveland 18,981 7 Utah 18,841 8 LA Lakers 18,812 9 San Antonio 18,278 10 Philadelphia 17,710 11 Phoenix 17,609 12 Denver 17,500 13 Sacramento 17,317 14 Minnesota 17,177 15 Toronto 17,081 16 Washington 17,063 17 LA Clippers 16,807 18 Indiana 16,806 19 Memphis 16,753 20 Seattle 16,426 21 Portland 16,415 22 Golden State 16,083 23 Houston 15,977 24 Boston 15,756 25 Milwaukee 15,597 26 New Jersey 14,841 27 Orlando 14,533 28 Charlotte 14,475 29 Atlanta 14,234 30 New Orleans 14,092 BTW, do people in the STATE of New Jersey pay attention to their own franchice? BTW, I wasnt wrong Kidd isnt the #2 best point guard in the NBA.
