He will be waived by the Knicks soon. Considering that he played for Jeff Van Gundy, and he'll probably be cheap, I think our chances are good. I know he's very injury prone, but our need for size at SG is a bigger risk.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">He will be waived by the Knicks soon. Considering that he played for Jeff Van Gundy, and he'll probably be cheap, I think our chances are good. I know he's very injury prone, but our need for size at SG is a bigger risk.</div> Well if you want a bigger SG, I'm guessing it's for defensive purposes. If that's the case then you don't want Houston for that reason because he was already a brutal defensive player pre-injuries, and is worse off now after the knee injuries.
Allan Houston? Err, no. He has no defensive game whatsoever and his health is always a concern. Rock4Life, if you're always getting on Wesley for his size, leading to defensive lapses, then I don't see why you'd want Houston. Whoever he guards will drop 25 guaranteed.
The thing I'm scared most about Houston is his injuries. You're talking about a guy that is breaking down from injuries and in the last two years, played 70 games. He's a huge gamble and I just don't the Houston organization to take this risk. Plus, he's basically another one of those players that can only guarantee us about one year before being a liability.
I agree, I'm more scared of his injury prone-ness (that a word?). I mean yes he is a defensive liability, but the fact that anyone who drives past Houston has to deal with Yao, Deke, and Stro' kinda covers up his weakness in a way. Offensively, he is gonna hit his 3's that he WILL take playing alongside T-Mac and Yao...and his ability to make 3's will scare defenders to Double Team on T-Mac and Yao, which would allow T-Mac and Yao to just work on their opponents. Even with all this going for him and the team none of it would matter if we paid him to fill our IR spot....
Isn't the condition in his knee degenerative ? I think the Rox should pass on this guy. Maybe if it was 6 years ago then hell yeah but now we have better options out there. Houston shouldnt rush themselves in signing people who arent that great. Under the new salary cap expiring contracts are goign to be worth a whole lot more so we should sit tight and when Feb. rolls around make a move or just let them expire and sign someone big in the summer
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I mean yes he is a defensive liability, but the fact that anyone who drives past Houston has to deal with Yao, Deke, and Stro' kinda covers up his weakness in a way.</div> Look at it this way, anyone that drives past Houston will likely be fouled by Yao. That leads to Yao getting into foul trouble since he gets scrutinized by refs or just makes stupid fouls. Plus, its likely that those three won't be on the floor at the same time so it really doesn't cover up a weakness. It fact, from a different point of view, I can say that it creates a weakness for us by putting Yao into foul trouble.
We dont need houston. He cant play defense, is a ball hog, and his three point shooting is good, but it isnt great. We have enough three point shooters, barry hits over .400, already so we should stop using that as a major positive when discussing free agents.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">Allan Houston? Err, no. He has no defensive game whatsoever and his health is always a concern. Rock4Life, if you're always getting on Wesley for his size, leading to defensive lapses, then I don't see why you'd want Houston. Whoever he guards will drop 25 guaranteed.</div> I'll tell you why. To be his size, Wesley is too much of a liability, and I'm not just talking about Defense. He's a hot and cold shooter who isn't athletic, can't post up, and can never be a finisher because of his size. I proposed Allan Houston because even though he's older, and very risky, he still can shoot lights out. After seeing Grant Hill comeback and have a great year, I believe Houston can do the same thing. Yes I agree that his defense might be a little suspect, but that's ok. It seems everybody wants a whole team full of "defensive minded" guards with no offense (Earl Watson, Chris Duhon etc....). Honestly, our defense isn't going anywhere, and picking up a good shooter would actually balance the roster out.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">I'll tell you why. To be his size, Wesley is too much of a liability, and I'm not just talking about Defense. He's a hot and cold shooter who isn't athletic, can't post up, and can never be a finisher because of his size. I proposed Allan Houston because even though he's older, and very risky, he still can shoot lights out. After seeing Grant Hill comeback and have a great year, I believe Houston can do the same thing. Yes I agree that his defense might be a little suspect, but that's ok. It seems everybody wants a whole team full of "defensive minded" guards with no offense (Earl Watson, Chris Duhon etc....). Honestly, our defense isn't going anywhere, and picking up a good shooter would actually balance the roster out.</div> You know, we do have Jon "Shoot the lights out" Barry. The balance is already there. You also seem to criticize Wesley for what he is not and ignore what he is. What David Wesley is is a 38.3% three-point shooter, a great defender, a reliable free throw shooter and someone who has missed only two games the past season. Allan Houston has only passed that mark once in the past five seasons, and has played just 70 games out of a possible 164 in the past four games. You also seem to talk about Houston's ability to shoot so often, but the truth is that he only shot 0.05% better than Wesley from three last season. Within the Rockets' offensive set-up, the shooting guard is a stationary shooter, someone who would stay in the corners and get open shots off of double teams or penetrations. Neither of Wesley and Houston would be first options on offense, so I don't get why getting Houston would be much of an upgrade. You also seem to talk about how none of the Rockets' guards are offensive-minded, so I'd to ask you how is it then that our four main guards (Sura, Wesley, James, Barry) combined to average 40 points per game out of the Rockets' 95 per. And oh, the Rockets' defense is going somewhere. The team is already one of the top defensive teams in the league, letting in just 91 points per game and holding opponents to a measly 42.3% from the field. Adding Houston and letting him play big minutes would be only setting us back.
well if houston gets major minutes, then absolutely no...how bout he just be the replacement for scott padgett or something?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting houston_owns_u:</div><div class="quote_post">well if houston gets major minutes, then absolutely no...how bout he just be the replacement for scott padgett or something?</div> Padgett spent most of his playing time at the four with the Rockets, and Houston is a natural two. Besides, Houston could probably get a starting gig somewhere so it's not like he'd be there for the taking as long as we want him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">You know, we do have Jon "Shoot the lights out" Barry. The balance is already there..</div> One shooter isn't going to cut it in the West. All the elite teams have a balance of defense and shooting, if you think Jon Barry alone balances everything out then your not being realistic. Sura, James, Head, and even Wesley are all defensive minded, it would be nice for you to think about offense every once and awhile. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">You also seem to criticize Wesley for what he is not and ignore what he is. What David Wesley is is a 38.3% three-point shooter, a great defender, a reliable free throw shooter and someone who has missed only two games the past season. Allan Houston has only passed that mark once in the past five seasons, and has played just 70 games out of a possible 164 in the past four games. You also seem to talk about Houston's ability to shoot so often, but the truth is that he only shot 0.05% better than Wesley from three last season..</div> Good point. But what you forgot to mention is Houston played about 10 less mins and still averaged what Wesley averaged. What does that mean? A injured plagued Houston is a much bigger threat offensively than Wesley ever will be. Houston's always been a great shooter, but with the looks he'll be getting with the Rockets, he'll be automatic. His overrall averages are way better than Wesley's so let's not go there. Another thing is his role will reduced to being just a spot up shooter, decreasing the chances he'll get injured <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">Within the Rockets' offensive set-up, the shooting guard is a stationary shooter, someone who would stay in the corners and get open shots off of double teams or penetrations. Neither of Wesley and Houston would be first options on offense, so I don't get why getting Houston would be much of an upgrade...</div> I'll explain it to you. Houston's job will be sooooo easy. All he'll have to do is spot up and shoot. That's less work he's had to do in his whole career. Even as a first option he shoots better than Wesley, just imagine if he's wide open. The defense will have to respect Houston's shooting ability and that will space the floor better for Yao. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">And oh, the Rockets' defense is going somewhere. The team is already one of the top defensive teams in the league, letting in just 91 points per game and holding opponents to a measly 42.3% from the field....</div> I think you misunderstood what I meant. I was saying that we're already a good defensive team and that it ain't going nowhere. With that said, let's not over do it with defensive guards. Losing Wesley and getting somebody like Houston will actually benefit us. Why? Because Houston can play Wesley's role better than Wesley can. We might lose a little on defense, but I'm sure Head's defensive intensity will make up for it. Somebody like Allan can give us some much needed firepower.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">One shooter isn't going to cut it in the West. All the elite teams have a balance of defense and shooting, if you think Jon Barry alone balances everything out then your not being realistic. Sura, James, Head, and even Wesley are all defensive minded, it would be nice for you to think about offense every once and awhile. </div>And the Rockets don't? Last season, the team was 3rd in the league in points allowed per game and tied for sixth in three-point percentage. Adding Houston, I'd predict, would mean that we'd be fourth in three-point percentage and 10th in points allowed. I'd rather take what we are now instead of what we could become with Houston. Also, why do you keep saying that the Rockets' guards are defensive-minded when I've already made my point clear? - "You also seem to talk about how none of the Rockets' guards are offensive-minded, so I'd to ask you how is it then that our four main guards (Sura, Wesley, James, Barry) combined to average 40 points per game out of the Rockets' 95 per." <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Good point. But what you forgot to mention is Houston played about 10 less mins and still averaged what Wesley averaged. What does that mean? A injured plagued Houston is a much bigger threat offensively than Wesley ever will be. Houston's always been a great shooter, but with the looks he'll be getting with the Rockets, he'll be automatic. His overrall averages are way better than Wesley's so let's not go there. Another thing is his role will reduced to being just a spot up shooter, decreasing the chances he'll get injured</div>Houston would score maybe 5 points more as opposed to Wesley, but I can almost guarantee that whoever he'd be guarding would score 5 points more as well. It's a matter of what you're willing to give up in exchange for something. I don't care how many games Houston will play because it's almost certain that Wesley would play more. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'll explain it to you. Houston's job will be sooooo easy. All he'll have to do is spot up and shoot. That's less work he's had to do in his whole career. Even as a first option he shoots better than Wesley, just imagine if he's wide open. The defense will have to respect Houston's shooting ability and that will space the floor better for Yao. </div>Houston was something of a second option, so it's not like he had defenders zeroing in on him everytime he touched the ball. Crawford, Marbury, and even Kurt Thomas were ahead of him on the pecking order. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I think you misunderstood what I meant. I was saying that we're already a good defensive team and that it ain't going nowhere. With that said, let's not over do it with defensive guards. Losing Wesley and getting somebody like Houston will actually benefit us. Why? Because Houston can play Wesley's role better than Wesley can. We might lose a little on defense, but I'm sure Head's defensive intensity will make up for it. Somebody like Allan can give us some much needed firepower.</div>I'm sorry, but weren't you saying that you didn't expect Head to contribute in any way, because, well, he's a rookie? How come you're so "sure" now? Flip-flopping?
New York announced quite a whiile ago that houston was staying with the team. Keep up with the news. Today the last day so hopefully something interesting will happen.
Assuming the team will be kept as it is, I feel we have three players very capable of hitting 40% from 3- Wesley, James and Barry...Wesley and James were hovering around the 40% mark last season, and we all know what Barry is capable of...For some reason, I would like to have Casey Jacobsen, who's around 6'6" as well, but he hustles, passes, is smart and is also a deadeye shooter as well...plus he tries hard to drive to the basket and get to the free-throw line...I think he would be a much cheaper option...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">And the Rockets don't? Last season, the team was 3rd in the league in points allowed per game and tied for sixth in three-point percentage. Adding Houston, I'd predict, would mean that we'd be fourth in three-point percentage and 10th in points allowed</div> What kind of logic is that? You really think losing Wesley will make that big of a difference. Wesley isn't that good to make us drop to 10th in pts allowed. Our defense is always going to be good under Van Gundy system. What would happen is we would subtract a defensive guy in Wesley, and add some instant offense in Houston. Sounds good to me. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">Also, why do you keep saying that the Rockets' guards are defensive-minded when I've already made my point clear? - "You also seem to talk about how none of the Rockets' guards are offensive-minded, so I'd to ask you how is it then that our four main guards (Sura, Wesley, James, Barry) combined to average 40 points per game out of the Rockets' 95 per."</div> Because they are, outside of Barry. Sura (Golden State) and James (Detroit) were mostly known for there defense before comin here, Wesley became a decent defender while here. Head is supposed to be defensive minded. Yes they average alot of pts, but that was for half a year. All they're best attributes are there defense. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">Houston would score maybe 5 points more as opposed to Wesley, but I can almost guarantee that whoever he'd be guarding would score 5 points more as well. It's a matter of what you're willing to give up in exchange for something. I don't care how many games Houston will play because it's almost certain that Wesley would play more?</div>. Your right. Wesley would probably play more. But you would still get better shooting, more pts, and better spacing for Yao in Allan Houston. His defense a big question mark, but if we sign Glover, they can split the time and Houston could finish the 4th quarters. So you would be losing Wesley (good defender), but getting Allan Houston (great shooter), and Dion Glover (good defender) Not to mention Glover is a great 6'5 with good ball handling skills. So you would be getting much needed size, and not losing anything defensively. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post"> I'm sorry, but weren't you saying that you didn't expect Head to contribute in any way, because, well, he's a rookie? How come you're so "sure" now? Flip-flopping?</div> No, no, no, no ............ Unlike you (Swift aquisition) and somebody else who I won't name, I stick by my statements. I like Head. I've said that he isn't going to make a big impact offensively, but his defense, ball pressure, and steals will be easier for him to concentrate on. That's accurate. A while back, you were TOTALLY against Swift, said he was lazy, and even had your buddy from the Memphis forum back you up. Now its "well, aslong as we got'em for cheap" lol. While I respect everybody's opinion, I stopped taking yours serious when you said we should resign Charlie Ward because he played so well at the beginning of the season. What team were you watching?
A team isn't a good defensive team if you don't have good defensive players. Van Gundy doesn't play, the players do. They defend. If you have guys who don't defend, no coach could change that. You also are twisting my words. Never did I ever say that we should re-sign Charlie Ward. What I said is that we should give him another chance to contribute, because he'd be on our roster by hook or by crook and it would be better if he'd earn his keep. Ward isn't a free agent for God's sake. Since Allan Houston is already staying in New York, I don't see the point in letting your baseless rants continue.
