The points made about the rare quicks of the 4 or 5 quickest G's in the league are also what makes Pietrus a scary SF. Say MP is matched up with a somewhat bigger SF,no bigger SF can stay with him,he blows by,he gets clear for a catch-and shoot,he wins a fast break footrace. On the flipside-the taller guy is not losing MP but gets to shoot a J over a guy who's a bit shorter-but can jump...still not a high % opportunity. Posting up? Pietrus is all muscle...and if you do work it in,there's Foyle. Foyles pretty good at smackdowns of SF's who try workig inside. It's nuts to toss 9 million bills at Dunleavy when he's a 13ppg guy and not so hot on D. 7 mill would be excessive.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting REREM:</div><div class="quote_post">It's nuts to toss 9 million bills at Dunleavy when he's a 13ppg guy and not so hot on D. 7 mill would be excessive. </div> Yeah, I think the MLE is about all Dun is worth...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorfansnc93:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, I think the MLE is about all Dun is worth...</div> In his current role, yeah. If Dunleavy was beating most defenders off the dribble, posting up, or playing some tough D, I would favor him over Pietrus. But he just doesn't do that. He's got good playmaking skills, but in order for him to take advantage of his courtvision and passing he's got to create some separation from his defender in some way whether it be strength or explosive speed to force defenses to react to him. Sometimes he has neither the strength or the speed with the current matchup at the 3 spot. I think the fact we have Murphy, who changes the chemistry somewhat compared to Cliffy in 2003-2004, and the fact the ball isn't in Dun's hands is partly to blame, but he's not dominating in any way like Pietrus could be speed or strength. His size is kind of wasted because he can't move as fast as his brain anticipates at the NBA level. Dun doesn't move like Nash or Baron both do to make a play happen. He doesn't shoot as well as Chris Mullin or Larry Bird, and he doesn't do anything particularly exceptional, except he has great guard skills in a 6'10 SF/PF's body. It's a strength sometimes, but not most of the time IMO. He's strictly like Zarko, which is pure utility player that can exploit certain matchups only offensively at one or more positions. I agree with Rem's take on Pietrus that he is a dominating speed player for a true 6'6 guy with great wingspan and he's versatile for two spots and could even do the point guard spot on defense. He lacks bulk, but he is very strong in finishing over much bigger players. He also is willing to take contact and demonstrates the sort of fearlessness that makes a great physical defender as well as a dribble penetrator that can get to the foul line often. There's really nobody that size at 6'6 that can shutdown smaller, quicker combo guards. For me I think the bottom line is he's got skills that could be harnessed for the future of the team and he's got a dominant physical mismatch where he actually uses it (lateral quickness and explosive speed for a 6'6 guy). And the best thing is Pietrus reps the Warriors and enjoys being on the team. I'm not bashing Dunleavy or showing disappreciation for him because those days are over, but I ask anybody what does he do that's potentially dominating over most nba players at the small forward spot compared to Pietrus? You can't teach physical skills, and what's the use of all that size when there's no post game or solid defensive skills against small forwards or power forwards? Dun's going to have to show he's got more dimensions as a player besides the support role to demand near what Murphy is getting.
To get anything over the MLE Dun is going to have to shoot lights out basically like he did at the end of last season, except over the whole course of this season...
Of course, it's nuts to give Dun a 9 mils per year. However, when does the market exactly pay players according to their market values? We pretty much failed to pay any player according to their market value since Twerdzik era, such as Dampier, Foyle, Sprewell, Smith (could have been), Jamison, Fortson, Richardson (at that moment), Murphy, and the list goes on and on. I just need couple examples where we paid players according to their market value, because paying attractive young players according to their market value just doesn't happen very often throughtout the league. To make situation worse, Mullin loves Dunleavy, and unless Dun's agent lived under the lock, he knows that one as well. And, what Mullin does when he want to keep a player? He dumped the money on Murphy and Foyle, despite both of them had horrible contract seasons. At this moment, I would be very surprised if Dunleavy resigns less than 7 mils per year. More and more I think about it, I just don't like Dunleavy's long term fit for this club. At this point, we can safely say that Dunleavy will not be the main offense threat, and he will pick his spots for the offense. In other word, he will be a role player for the rest of his career. And, role players suppose to support main players, such as Davis and Richardson. Instead, Richardson has to pick up Dunleavy's defense liability and guard tougher opponent, and make him waste his energy, when he really should save those energy for offensive end...
Ya know fellas I like Mike. I like his game. I like his team first attitude. I like his flexibility on the court. He reminds me of Bobby Jones on the old Philadelphia 76's when Dr. J was runnin and dunkin. Fans complained that Bobby was too unselfish and needed to score more. But there was no doubt that they were a better team with him in the lineup. If we actually had a real inside player who could defend and score Mike would look a whole lot better. If Troy leaves the Warriors I wouldn't miss his outside game but I would miss Mike's all around game and team first attitude. I think he is an important piece of our team but at what price? That is the million dollar question.
Murphy is really the dude that fits in the least now considering what he does as his main game and what he should be doing. Sure he was playing injured all year, but when has the guy ever been known to challenge anyone at the rim or post up or pass the rock instead of forcing it? If you ask who makes the team better between the two forwards that have similar scoring games, I'd have to say Dunleavy all the way. Mullin and Monty obviously aren't blind to this and that's why they went out and got Ike, Taft, and another guard that can break people down just in case Baron suffers something with his achilles tendon or ruptures something in his back again. Maybe Gerald Green or Danny Granger was loaded with talent and upside in the draft, but maybe it was important for Mullin to keep leverage on both Pietrus and Dunleavy and toughen up our power forward spots so that Dunleavy and Richardson could find reliable inside big man to keep adequate floor spacing between the defenders and the perimeter guys. Since Murphy is a perimeter and midrange guy who can't score with either hand, he really hangs out with Dunleavy, Richardson on the perimeter which kind of leaves things crowded... Wouldn't be in a hurry to dump Murphy this early on, but if our two draft guys turn out to be studs and do the things that make everyone else on the perimeter better. We have to find a trade partner to take on Murphy's deal.
I agree with every point you made custodianrules2. However I think Granger has physical (Knee) problems that will limit his career, sorta like Jonathan Bender. Bring on the Games! by the way custodianrules2 is it ok if I refer to you as Cus. Cuts down on the typing.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Montay:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree with every point you made custodianrules2. However I think Granger has physical (Knee) problems that will limit his career, sorta like Jonathan Bender. Bring on the Games! by the way custodianrules2 is it ok if I refer to you as Cus. Cuts down on the typing.</div> Most just say Custodian or CR2, just for future referance. I also agree with you CR2, Murphy is the odd man out and should be moved.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Montay:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree with every point you made custodianrules2. However I think Granger has physical (Knee) problems that will limit his career, sorta like Jonathan Bender. Bring on the Games! by the way custodianrules2 is it ok if I refer to you as Cus. Cuts down on the typing.</div> Either way is fine. Lot of folks just say CR2. Glad you guys can relate.
