Dunleavy Extension is Likely

Okay, Dunleavy extension is likely.... eh.. not so sure that is the best idea IMO. Pietrus should be ready to take the starting spot by early midseason or near the end of November IMO, and if Dunleavy gets the extension, then Pietrus might have to stay on the bench because Dunleavy is getting paid. However, we might not give him the extension, and when Pietrus gets good enough to move up, we could put Dunleavy on the bench for a while since he can play PF, SF, and a bit of point forward, that way he would log starter minutes or close to that, or the more risky one, we could sign the extension, move Dunleavy to PF, trade Foyle for a Reggie Evans type guy, have Murphy play C, and go all out small in the frontline, risky since we don't have a post player in Murphy, but how I remember it, Dunleavy was being more agressive at PF. So this extension talk is pretty expected, but a few twists could potentially happen

 

I still think letting Dunleavy go would be a mistake. This guy has improved nicely over the past couple of years. He might not be what we have hoped but very few players actually do live up to those expectations. Is he worth the extension? I say yes but only time will tell.

 

It depends on what the amount of the extension is. If it is 4 years and $15-20m then I think that is fair. If it is 6 years and $50m, then no fricken way. I say lets see how this season unfolds. Let Pietrus get a chance, that way we have next off season to decide do we either resign Dunleavy at maybe even a higher price than if we extended him now, or do we realize Pietrus is more ready and we extend him instead? I think we will know by the All Star break what the demand for both players will be. My vote at this point is to calm down and wait it out. Let the market set a price, not Mullin's infatuation with him...

 

CAN'T MULLIN WAIT A BIT??? CAN'T ANYBODY TELL MULLIN THAT EXTENTION AFTER 3RD YEAR ONLY BELONGS TO FRANCHISE PLAYERS??? Sometimes, I have to wonder if Mullin fails at math. Because it's way too obvious that we are facing financial crisis soon, and we need to save as much as possible. Yet, if that article holds any truth, Mullin is spending as if he has no budget limit, aka NY or Dallas. And, it's really killing me how Mullin favors Dunleavy yet again. He only resigned Richardson and Murphy because their agent threated him. But, he is willing to discuss Dunleavy's extention? What make him to think that Dunleavy is more worth than Richarson, Murphy and Pietrus?

If we give Dunleavy an extention, it basically means that we have no interest to resign Pietrus, because frankly, we have no ability to resign Pietrus, unless Cohan decide to eat chunk of luxury tax or dump salaries. None of our big contracts end in next 4 years (Davis and Foyle), and with current contract, we can hold Pietrus 3 years at most...

 

well hopefully all they're doing is talking. But it's hard to trust Mully and those huge contracts. I really really hope he doesn't pull the trigger. He seriously needs to wait. But this just shows how things can still end up very bad. My worst case scenario? Dun gets paid way more than his market value, Diogu proves to be largely ineffective because his lack of athleticism, Gerald Green or Danny Granger blows up, Bdiddy gets injured, and Pietrus leaves. I just hate how Dun's situation has dictated so much. Hopefully Elie or someone else is yelling in his ear.

 

Heh, never seen you type in capslocks before, Kwan. Just be glad we're not dealing with Dan Fegan, otherwise we'll be looking forward to a 6 year near-maximum deal at 5 minutes before midnight on deadline.

Anybody have the feeling that Piety is going to end up anyway like Joe Johnson of the Suns or Bobby Simmons of the Clippers and will be exiting to another team? The athletic swingmen with skills are always in more demand over slower, weaker guys like Dunleavy. That raises a good question about what if Piety doesn't want to be a 3rd or 4th option? We might have to move him and try to lock up our super Duke role player before he bails on us for not giving into any agent demands made this summer. Hopefully Mullin has a good way to compromise without having to overpay.

 

Yeah, I am just getting angry over how much Mullin favors Dunleavy. Really, I do want to believe that Mullin will give fair chance to everybody. I want to believe that Mullin dumped Jamison because of future financial health, which he completely ruined in last offseason btw. I want to believe that Mullin fired Muss and hired Monty, not because of Dunleavy's development. I want to believe that there is a good reason why we only have one natural SF in our roster, and why Mullin never looked to strengthen SF position since he gained the control. I want to believe that Mullin learned a hard lesson after massive shopping spree last season. I want to believe that Mullin will give a fair chance to Dunleavy and Pietrus, and will choose for our future. But, so far, I haven't seen one evidence that Mullin will not favor Dunleavy like a franchise player, and the result is already decided between Pietrus and Dunleavy, or there is no reason to even consider Dunleavy's extention now. Last thing I want to see is Pietrus being a star in other team, while we have to eat always-liability-at-defense Dunleavy's overblown contract.

Well, there certainly is a chance that Pietrus can be Johnson ver. 2. Good news is that he will be a restricted FA in next two years, and only way for us to lose him without receiving anything is by keeping him without a new contract for 3 years. So, there are plenty of time for us to do something. Really, we do not know how Dunleavy and Pietrus will play next year, so I really hope Mullin will slam the door in this offseason...

 

The only way I see Pietrus leaving the W's is through a trade for an experienced big man. Ike and Taft are wet behind the ears and certainly can't be relied on night in and night out. Murh and the Poet are bodies to throw out there but they can't take us to the promised land. Pietrus has a lot of value and if he goes we better be suitin up a stud in his place.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Montay:</div><div class="quote_post">The only way I see Pietrus leaving the W's is through a trade for an experienced big man. Ike and Taft are wet behind the ears and certainly can't be relied on night in and night out. Murh and the Poet are bodies to throw out there but they can't take us to the promised land. Pietrus has a lot of value and if he goes we better be suitin up a stud in his place.</div>



This man knows...

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Montay:</div><div class="quote_post">The only way I see Pietrus leaving the W's is through a trade for an experienced big man. Ike and Taft are wet behind the ears and certainly can't be relied on night in and night out. Murh and the Poet are bodies to throw out there but they can't take us to the promised land. Pietrus has a lot of value and if he goes we better be suitin up a stud in his place.</div>
Hopefully if Pietrus ever got dealt it would be for a 20/10 guy with defense or double team respect... Jermaine O'neil (beast of the east) or KG (all around play, versatility, defense) I wouldn't mind Brand either. Or how about Ike for Brand. Heh heh. I also wouldn't mind Piety for Yao (55%fg, 18ppg, 8rpg, 2blockspg). I don't care how overrated he is, anytime you take a chance on a potential dominant big man (which there are few of that have the passing and unselfishness to get others involved) things will be looking up. We could have the option to play slow or fast sort of like how the Spurs dictate the tempo going to Duncan or going with either Ginobilli or Tony Parker in the open floor. Well anyway I'm day dreaming of a near franchise big player or an allstar that makes everyone else better by scoring, playing d and giving up the rock.

Speaking of unselfishness, if Dunleavy blows up, we'll wish we would have locked him up. But he really hasn't show anything consistently except that he's not a potential star that defenses will respect, he's a glue guy role player (with no adequate D). And you know how those finesse type Duke guys get overpaid just to be role players. When we're down in the game, I'd really like to have that Ginobilli, Ben Gordon or Ricky Davis type player to come to the rescue and get fouled or get hot from the field. Or if they're not scoring, try to lock down the opposing scorers and just intimidate with tenacity and quickness. Defensive play is the key and if Mullin didn't see that from his Run TMC days, we're boned when it comes to early playoff exits or no playoffs at all. Hopefully, we'll be more balanced in offense and defense this year with tougher inside presence. Murphy's 16/10 doesn't really mean a whole lot except for the fact that we're lucky he's a good enough defensive rebounder so that we don't have to play defense two or three times more than we should have.

Hopefully we'll be a team with 3 stars deep (solid on O and D) that will give us a legitimate chance to go far in the post season if we make it. Team defense will be key on top of that as well.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Montay:</div><div class="quote_post">The only way I see Pietrus leaving the W's is through a trade for an experienced big man. Ike and Taft are wet behind the ears and certainly can't be relied on night in and night out. Murh and the Poet are bodies to throw out there but they can't take us to the promised land. Pietrus has a lot of value and if he goes we better be suitin up a stud in his place.</div>
True. Experience is important. There's a lot of b.s. in the nba with regards to refs and their foul calls as well.

I wouldn't mind a lot of draft picks in the first round with the way the Warriors have drafted the last couple of years. But the upcoming talent pool in the draft might be lower. Could be a repeat of 2002 or 2000 in the near future.

 

First of all, the author of the article seems to make a conclusion that doesn't seem to be a guarantee. "That Mullin is preparing to talk extension probably means Dunleavy is less likely to be traded this offseason. The period to extend the rookie contracts of players drafted in 2002 began Aug. 1 and concludes Oct. 31."

After what Mullin did last year. My guess is that he is trying to see how much(cheaper) he can sign Dunleavy this year, compared to possibly by this time next year. If Dunleavy puts up big numbers next season, as he did at the end of last season, then it will almost have to be a decision between Pietrus and Dunleavy. However if Mullin can put up a slightly low proposal right now, that is accepted, then there is still a chance that both Pietrus and Dunleavy can be on the team in the future. Mullin succeeded in doing this with Jason before last season, and is still iffy with Murphy. Hopefully these talks can lead to more success where Dunleavy will have a cheaper contract, which could make re-signing Pietrus more likely.

Also, I am against bringing in more vets. I hate that idea. The only vet that has come here and had done well was Clifford Robinson. All of the others have pretty much failed, except for Terry Cumming's age, he did pretty well for a decent time there. The Warriors already have Fisher, Cheaney, and Foyle: We don't need any more vets. Maybe bring back retired players to help assist the coach at practices, if that's what you want. But we don't need more players, especially to play ahead of some of these younger players that we have.

I would look at Mullin talking with Dunleavy's agent, as a good thing. That way Mullin can have all of the information he could need, and start thinking of certain situations that can help keep this group of players together. Also if Dunleavy's agent is asking for a lot, then contrary to the article, I believe it would make Mullin to immediately look for certain trade possibilities, at the trade deadline or before-then.

 

Good take Clif. I always like what you have to say in the few instances you actually say something.

 

Haha thanks Custodian. Or maybe I should say Paldies, since I am here in Rezekne, Latvia. Anyway, I guess I don't post too much, especially lately. I find most of the offseason discussions rather redundant-after a while- and then there are some largely far-fetched trade proposals as well, that seem to be mostly out of boredom. Thus I don't necessarly see or have a big urge to really post a lot-I often see my posts at many times redundant in their own right. Luckily I am placed in a family with a computer and the Internet, however I am doubtful if they have Warriors games broadcasted here, so I may not be able to post a lot, but at least once in a while. And I had to spread Warriors pride, by giving my host brother a Biedrins jersey, though he's more of a hockey, soccer person. But yeah, go Warriors, all the time!

For this thread's purpose, I must comment with- I really hope that another Arenas, Jackson, Jamison, or Dampier, type of situation does not happen again in the near future for the Warriors between Pietrus and Dunleavy. It's difficult to really choose one ahead of the other, because they are both valuable. I would personally choose Pietrus. However not having Dunleavy would change this team quite a bit and put a lot more pressure on our front court to rebound, a front court that struggled in this area last year:but maybe that was mostly when Clifford was a Warrior, but still a slight weakness none-the-less; and of course Pietrus satisfies our weakness in defense and in some ways athleticism, or lack there of slightly.

Visu Labu.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Clif25:</div><div class="quote_post">Haha thanks Custodian. Or maybe I should say Paldies, since I am here in Rezekne, Latvia. Anyway, I guess I don't post too much, especially lately. I find most of the offseason discussions rather redundant-after a while- and then there are some largely far-fetched trade proposals as well, that seem to be mostly out of boredom. Thus I don't necessarly see or have a big urge to really post a lot-I often see my posts at many times redundant in their own right. Luckily I am placed in a family with a computer and the Internet, however I am doubtful if they have Warriors games broadcasted here, so I may not be able to post a lot, but at least once in a while. And I had to spread Warriors pride, by giving my host brother a Biedrins jersey, though he's more of a hockey, soccer person. But yeah, go Warriors, all the time!
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Yeah, it does get redundant, huh? Unfortunately, if things are quiet in Warriorland the board becomes dead, but it's better not to force it unless something newsworthy comes up.

That is so awesome you got your host family a Biedrins jersey. He's going to be good. I can say that with reassurance, I believe. One of my friends, who said Yao is going to L.A. in '05 and Dunleavy is going to be the next Larry Bird, appears to be the next Stephen A. Smith unless he can get the last one right. Toni Kukoc would have been a safer bet.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Clif25:</div><div class="quote_post">
For this thread's purpose, I must comment with- I really hope that another Arenas, Jackson, Jamison, or Dampier, type of situation does not happen again in the near future for the Warriors between Pietrus and Dunleavy. It's difficult to really choose one ahead of the other, because they are both valuable. I would personally choose Pietrus. However not having Dunleavy would change this team quite a bit and put a lot more pressure on our front court to rebound, a front court that struggled in this area last year:but maybe that was mostly when Clifford was a Warrior, but still a slight weakness none-the-less; and of course Pietrus satisfies our weakness in defense and in some ways athleticism, or lack there of slightly.

Visu Labu.</div>
I agree they're both valuable and probably polar opposites in terms of their methods. People have seen stars like Pietrus, and very few like Dunleavy so it's choose your poison if there's an absolute favorite between the two. Paldies for the reply, Clif.

 

For the right price, I'd like to see dunleavy back. he has his flaws, but the fact is hes 6-9, handles and passes like a pg, and has a good outside shot. hes also very unselifsh which is important for the warriors, remember how well baron davis got along with his small forward in New Orleans? Not very well. Plus with jim and Jrich in the back court, there aren't a ton of shots to go around, especially if ike diogou develops and becomes a true low post scorer.

now if dunleacy wants too much $ then i politely show him the door, i dont want to over pay him, but i think he's a good fit for us.

pietrus is a great player, i loved his style of play ever since he was drafted, his offense is catching up to his defense, and hes a smothering defensive player. at 6-6 hes quick enough to shut down pgs. however the ONLY time ive seen him struggle on defense, is against big small forwards. he cant really handle guys like jamison or rashard lewis, or tayshaun prince. Now dunleavy cant EITHER, but at least he wouldn't be paid like a guy who can play defense. don't get me wrong, i like seeing pietrus steal some minutes at the three, i like seeing him with jrich and BD, but I'd rather not see that as a full time starting roster.

i think pietrus is a tremendous player and will have a break out season, i could easily see him winning 6th man of the year, especially if jrich or BD goes down *you can start dunleavy, Jrich and pietrus* then the warriors can trade him for vets/draft picks next years off season.

 

The right price for Dunleavy to me is to pay him an amount that you would feel comfortable benching him if you had to. For instance, there is no way anyone is going to start over Murphy because he is getting paid too much; the same can be said for Jrich and Boomdizzle. If we give Dunleavy an extension to that effect and Pietrus deserves to start over Dunleavy, then we need to trade him or not give him that extension. I think it comes down to this...

Dunleavy passes greatietrus passes well enough but he does not need to pass so well now that Baron is here

Dunleavy can handle the ball:Again Pietrus does not need to handle the ball with Baron here.

Dunleavy can not guard anyoneietrus can guard just about anyone.

Dunleavy scores roughly 15pts per game:I believe Pietrus can do this too if given Dunleavy type minutes if not more...

Get rid of Dunleavy or let him walk if not for a bench, role player type pay:Keep Pietrus...

 

Don't forget that Pietrus is frequently out of position. Until he remedies that, learns to hit a mid-range jumper, and develops a dribble move, I think he should stay off the bench. He should be up for 6th man of the year if he figured just one of the 3 out this off season.

 

Pietrus can dribble fairly well (with either hands), I think, and he's got a nicer first step off the dribble than most guards (he looked quite quick). I think the major problem is he doesn't react to defensive play like a fundamentally sound player would. Like he's always doing something awkward when he's moving with the ball. If you watch in some games, Pietrus sort of plans ahead in advance rather than reacting on the fly to the defender's positioning on him. There was a game against the Rockets where he kept repeatedly going left and Jon Barry was waiting right there for him and drew a charge. If Pietrus had a quicker and more natural mindset for the game and reading the angles like he does on defense, he would have beaten Barry silly by going right. A righty, after all, should be inclined to drive right. So you know he can go any direction with either hand, it's just his decision making is pretty flawed. His crossover looked pretty good at times. Like that crossover followed by the dome buster he threw down on Dirk Nowitzki after beating Marquis Daniels(?). It's on Pietrus' official website btw.

Piety does need a midrange game, though because better defenders will deny him the basket up close and they'll dare him to shoot the low percentage shot from afar. A good midrange shooter can change an entire game if they've got the other parts of their game mastered like being able to drive, pass and shoot a 3. Just think how good Calbert Cheaney would have been in his youth if he had a 3 point shot and some handles and wasn't so turnover prone on passes. His potential sort of capped out obviously, but he was always a good scorer in his one dimensional type of game.


Dunleavy is the team's "safest" player since Jrich doesn't really have the point guard instincts a shooting guard needs to have (despite JRich's good passing ability, he's had some issues dribbling into double teams or just being out of control with the ball). Dunleavy does have great ballhandling and passing skills either two handed or one handed, he's got a midrange game, is not caught out of position on an organized offense or in the open floor very often. In fact he runs the break quite well and passes like a playmaker when receiving the ball. He just disappears a lot and is very quiet and an unemotional player. It's hard to feel his impact from a fan's standpoint because he doesn't do anything particularly well enough to help the team in the way that's visibly noticeable, but he's there behind the scenes contributing doing the little things like boxing out, moving the ball, floor spacing, etc. Then, we expect Dunleavy to be a size mismatch, but there's no post game, there's no powerful drives to the basket, there's no lights out shooting over smaller opponents, there's a lot of timid play like Dunleavy's holding back. Who knows what Dunleavy will show up next season because he doesn't really grab the reigns, you know? It's either you have faith in the guy or not. Baron can't handle the rock all the time or dish it if he's being hounded, so it's good to have an extra guy that can pass and dribble and score when needed. Get this: Dunleavy Jr. can dribble from a right to left crossover followed imediately by a behind the back dribble with his left to his right hand while on the run. The 6'10 freak can do that with fluidity and quickness and that is IMPRESSIVE for a guy that big and supposedly too slow. He sure made mincemeat out of James Posey on several plays in '04 and Posey is one of the more athletic and better defenders in the league.
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