oh definatley, good example of this was when he failed to stand up to Amare Stoudemire (?) when he was giving Yao ****, and Francis had to settle it for Yao, when Francis is what, 6'3, lol. If Yao was more aggresive, I feel that he would be alot better player than what he currently is.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NTC187:</div><div class="quote_post">oh definatley, good example of this was when he failed to stand up to Amare Stoudemire (?) when he was giving Yao ****, and Francis had to settle it for Yao, when Francis is what, 6'3, lol. If Yao was more aggresive, I feel that he would be alot better player than what he currently is.</div> You might be right, but Chinese people aren't naturally aggressive like Americans. Yao was raised in an entirely different culture, you can't expect him to adopt American culture and be in your face aggressive after only a meagre 3 seasons.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NaKz:</div><div class="quote_post">You might be right, but Chinese people aren't naturally aggressive like Americans. Yao was raised in an entirely different culture, you can't expect him to adopt American culture and be in your face aggressive after only a meagre 3 seasons.</div> thats true, but from what I saw on Sports Tonight the other night, he might just be, lol. The Chinese Team got into a brawl with the Peurto (sp?) Rican team in the world Championships, the brawl was sparked by Yao after he got shoved or somthing, and retaliated.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post"> They make these assumption off watching dumb highlight shows. :</div> I think its a bit of a problem that Yao is on so many highlight shows, usually on the end of a vicious dunk. So, yes, he is extremely soft, no one can disagree and say he is tough, hes not, he is a good player, but very soft.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I Dont think stamina is a big issue since he plays all year. I also dont like the example of Odom considering Rodman is 6-7 and averaged double digits in rebounding. But he needs to play every game like its his last , I feel he really steps it up when hes playing Shaq because he knows its an important game. I think if he treats all his games this way then he will put a stop to all these type of yao threads .</div> Rodman is a special example. I've not seen a 6-8 player average 18RPG. Odom is not so much a special case. Yao Ming didn't deserve to be an All Star in Denver. He shouldn't have been number one with votes. Brad Miller of the Kings deserved the All Star spot as much as Yao. At the time, I think Miller was averaging a higher number of points then Yao, alongside rebounds. <div align="left"><u>Brad Miller 2004-2005</u> PPG 15.6 RPG 9.3 APG 3.9 SPG 1.23 BPG 1.21 FG% .524 FT% .812 3P% .263 MPG 37.3 EFF + 23.71</div> <div align="left"><u>Yao Ming 2004-2005</u> PPG 18.3 RPG 8.4 APG .8 SPG .43 BPG 2.00 FG% .552 FT% .783 3P% .000 MPG 30.6 EFF + 20.60 </div>
Oh boy not this Yao hating crap again. Can't you harass some other player i mean i'm sure Yao cannot possibly the worst in the NBA.
Stats don't matter in the All-Star game. People vote for the people that they want to see play - not necessarily the players with the best stats. I'd rather see Yao Ming in the game rather than Brad Miller (although I'm not hating on Brad)... But back to the question: Is Yao Ming soft???
Here's a question do you people actually watch him play and i don't mean watch some highlight of him getting posterised on BSPN but actually watch him play a game? Or is it that you people want to jump on the "Yao haters" bandwagon? BTW to the dude who started the thread i noticed you are a Amare fan. <font color="red">Please do not resort to personal attacks. ~Trip</font>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NTC187:</div><div class="quote_post">thats true, but from what I saw on Sports Tonight the other night, he might just be, lol. The Chinese Team got into a brawl with the Peurto (sp?) Rican team in the world Championships, the brawl was sparked by Yao after he got shoved or somthing, and retaliated.</div> That wasn't Yao. He was injured and didn't play in the whole tournament. I was in China when it happened so I know a lot about it. The player who started the fight was Yi Jianlian. In fact, everyone on the Chinese team was fined/reprimended except for Yao.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Human Highlight:</div><div class="quote_post">Stats don't matter in the All-Star game. People vote for the people that they want to see play - not necessarily the players with the best stats. I'd rather see Yao Ming in the game rather than Brad Miller (although I'm not hating on Brad)...</div> The point is, that he is given alot of undeserved credit and the players in the All Star game are meant to be the best in the NBA at that point in time. At that point, Brad Miller was statistically better. On the topic of Yao being too soft. Yes this is true. He needs to worry less about the damage he is going to do to the opposition and worry more about winning the game. He needs to use his 300lbs to get to the basket and to grab the boards.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_fan:</div><div class="quote_post">The point is, that he is given alot of undeserved credit and the players in the All Star game are meant to be the best in the NBA at that point in time. At that point, Brad Miller was statistically better. On the topic of Yao being too soft. Yes this is true. He needs to worry less about the damage he is going to do to the opposition and worry more about winning the game. He needs to use his 300lbs to get to the basket and to grab the boards.</div> I'd say you're both right and wrong about the All Star game. True, its supposed to feature the best players in the league, but the ultimatum is that the weekend is used to draw revenue and sales for the league. If people like Yao Ming so much that he leads the league in all star votes, then so be it. The bold part doesn't make sense to me by the way. I'm sure he doesn't care if he hurts the opposition or not, its just he doesn't want to pick up stupid fouls, which he does most of the time.
Trip, has Yi JianLian been progressing well? I remember all the hype around him a while back. And simply put, Yao is not soft, he just isn't 100% confident and still too hesitant.
Yao is soft, but not that soft. Come on are u guys that brainwashed by BSPN and forget some of the physical things he did? 22reb game vs Phoenix and Amare, shoved a New Zealand forward down 10ft across the floor after he bumped chest with Yao, etc. By the way, you guys must be retarded as hell to use the All-Star game as a true measure of a player's greatness. I got one name for you: Vince Carter. How can somebody that played only half the season got the top votes for forwards a few years back? All-Star voting doesn't carry much weight at all. If anything, it's just a measure of how popular a player is, not how good he is. I suggest ya'll drop the whole All-Star argument because it's one of the most invalid and biased measurement you can ever use.
[quote name='Swish15']Now this brings up another question. Is Yao Ming All-Star calibur? When I say this I mean is he worthy of being an All-Star. I don't think he would be an All-Star if it weren't for his massive amount of fans in China. In a Western Conference that is stacked with talent, it is hard to tell whether or not Yao would be an All-Star if he didn't have so much international support. So what do you guys think? Is Yao on the same level as the other All-Stars or is he just there because of his support overseas?/QUOTE] Uuuum........Why wouldn't he be? At his position he is clearly the second best behind Shaquille. Amare is a PF playin center, Duncan is PF, and Garnett is a PF. Which center in the West would you put over Yao? To act like he isn't a Allstar is ridiculous. If you don't believe me, compare his stats to other centers and see what you find.
The reason why Yao doesn't get as many rebounds and blocks as other centers is because he's not as athletic as all the other centers. In basketball, it is actually long arms and a decent vertical that gets you rebounds, not the height, although height does help some. Anyway, Yao is not that soft, but of course he can be more aggressive and punish smaller players in the paint like Shaq does. However, I should say that Yao doesn't have the strength and athleticism that Shaq does, so it is probably harder for Yao.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting houston_owns_u:</div><div class="quote_post">The reason why Yao doesn't get as many rebounds and blocks as other centers is because he's not as athletic as all the other centers. In basketball, it is actually long arms and a decent vertical that gets you rebounds, not the height, although height does help some. Anyway, Yao is not that soft, but of course he can be more aggressive and punish smaller players in the paint like Shaq does. However, I should say that Yao doesn't have the strength and athleticism that Shaq does, so it is probably harder for Yao.</div> I agree with what you say about vertical leap. Rebounding is also about anticipation. However, when you are 7-6, you should be getting 10 boards a game. There is no excuse for not doing so. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The bold part doesn't make sense to me by the way.</div> What doesn't make sense? Yao doesn't throw his weight about when he's on the court. He's more of a finesse type player. As a center in the NBA, when you are on the court you have to emphasize the fact that you are bigger and stronger then the other players. He NEEDS to use his strength like Shaq does. Believe me, for those who say Yao has no strength, I find it hard to believe that someobdy who is 300lbs+ has no strength. If he wants to be more successful he must grab the boards, get more blocks and make a stamp on creating a reputation like Shaq. By no means am I a Yao hater. Even as a Lakers fan, I want to see Yao succeed. As a player with a billion people on his back, he has alot of pressure.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting nkwu:</div><div class="quote_post">Trip, has Yi JianLian been progressing well? I remember all the hype around him a while back. And simply put, Yao is not soft, he just isn't 100% confident and still too hesitant.</div> Trip's breakdown of Yi Jian Lian
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_fan:</div><div class="quote_post">Rodman is a special example. I've not seen a 6-8 player average 18RPG. Odom is not so much a special case. Yao Ming didn't deserve to be an All Star in Denver. He shouldn't have been number one with votes. Brad Miller of the Kings deserved the All Star spot as much as Yao. At the time, I think Miller was averaging a higher number of points then Yao, alongside rebounds. </div> Out of the 10 Players with the most RPG , 9 Of them are shorter than 7 Ft. The Allstar spot has nothing to do with whose better, I vote for who i want to see more. I dont want to see Brad Miller play in the ASG. Oh and i would have still considered yao better than Brad miller that year , He just needs the chinese team to give him a break and stay out of foul trouble. If he had the same minutes as Brad miller he would have had more then 20 PPG and 10 RPG.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">That wasn't Yao. He was injured and didn't play in the whole tournament. I was in China when it happened so I know a lot about it. The player who started the fight was Yi Jianlian. In fact, everyone on the Chinese team was fined/reprimended except for Yao.</div> Wasnt it? I'm pretty sure it was, but like I said, I only saw a short clip of the fight. I'll take your word for it then I guess, lol. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh boy not this Yao hating crap again. Can't you harass some other player i mean i'm sure Yao cannot possibly the worst in the NBA.</div> No ones hating on Yao, its a topic about wether hes soft or not, and yes he is, your in denial if you think he isnt (doing a couple of tough things every so often doesnt make him not soft)
I do not consider Yao to be soft...I feel that players who are blessed with such height like Wang Zhizhi and Shawn Bradley are "soft"...Yao just needs to be more aggressive and I think he will...I believe he has an inner fire within him and he's a strong competitor but he just doesnt show it publicly, which is fine...I do believe he is a finesse player, which many misinterpret as being "soft"...it's not soft, its just that he's more smooth, agile and fluid than most big men...Hakeem was a finesse player as well, and not a power one, yet no one referred to Dream as "soft"...Yao is very much in the same light...
