<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NTC187:</div><div class="quote_post">oh definatley, good example of this was when he failed to stand up to Amare Stoudemire (?) when he was giving Yao ****, and Francis had to settle it for Yao, when Francis is what, 6'3, lol. If Yao was more aggresive, I feel that he would be alot better player than what he currently is.</div> This is what I'm talkin about. You guys make these statments and don't even know what you're talking about. I watched that game, and Amare and Yao NEVER got into it. Amare made a play on Yao and celebrated afterwards, Stevie pushed him and told him to chill. That's all that was. It wasn't like he got in Yao's face. That's what I'm tryin to say about you guys labeling somebody "soft" off little highlights you see on tv. You don't even know what your talkin about.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">This is what I'm talkin about. You guys make these statments and don't even know what you're talking about. I watched that game, and Amare and Yao NEVER got into it. Amare made a play on Yao and celebrated afterwards, Stevie pushed him and told him to chill. That's all that was. It wasn't like he got in Yao's face. That's what I'm tryin to say about you guys labeling somebody "soft" off little highlights you see on tv. You don't even know what your talkin about.</div> Stop ASSUMING people have not seen Yao play. I have said that I have and agree with many others that he is soft. I have also stated that you are biased as a Rockets fan. A majority of the non-Rockets fans posting think Yao is SOFT, though still a good player.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post">Stop ASSUMING people have not seen Yao play. I have said that I have and agree with many others that he is soft. I have also stated that you are biased as a Rockets fan. A majority of the non-Rockets fans posting think Yao is SOFT, though still a good player.</div> Assuming? He mistated that Amare was giving Yao problems when it was clear that it NEVER happened. Unlike you and most of the people in this forum, I actually watch the majority of Yao's games. Being that I watched Yao progress is whole career, I would think I know a little bit more about the guy than you do. Everybody says he soft, but I have yet to hear some legimate evidence. You stated that he NEVER took over a game, do you still believe that?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">Assuming? He mistated that Amare was giving Yao problems when it was clear that it NEVER happened. Unlike you and most of the people in this forum, I actually watch the majority of Yao's games. Being that I watched Yao progress is whole career, I would think I know a little bit more about the guy than you do. Everybody says he soft, but I have yet to hear some legimate evidence. You stated that he NEVER took over a game, do you still believe that?</div> Yes assuming! How can you prove that not a single person has watched Yao play on a consistent basis. You talk about evidence?!!! The only excuse you have when I call Yao soft is that I watch too much Sportscenter and have not seen him on a consistent basis? For the millionth time I do not watch all of the Rockets games but I have watched him occasionally and many times during his (only) playoff series. I have seen a soft player! The majority of the people who are not biased AGREE! Can you argue with everyone else too (they watch too much Sportscenter too right)?! I just hate to see a player not live up to his potential. Yao is tentative and inconsistent. As you stated he was in foul trouble in the Dallas series (It was the refs fault ). He could not get it done. He is also soft! Your opinion and a few others vs. the majority of the forum! Good luck convincing us!
Yao is soft, he doesnt play hard ball, some one at his size should be dominating like how Shaq does/has, Yao is a good player, no one is doubting that, he is just too inconsistant, and too much of a ***** cat, he needs to toughen up, and not be afraid to get in there and just dominate like he should be doing.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes assuming! How can you prove that not a single person has watched Yao play on a consistent basis. You talk about evidence?!!! The only excuse you have when I call Yao soft is that I watch too much Sportscenter and have not seen him on a consistent basis? For the millionth time I do not watch all of the Rockets games but I have watched him occasionally and many times during his (only) playoff series. I have seen a soft player! The majority of the people who are not biased AGREE! Can you argue with everyone else too (they watch too much Sportscenter too right)?! I just hate to see a player not live up to his potential. Yao is tentative and inconsistent. As you stated he was in foul trouble in the Dallas series (It was the refs fault ). He could not get it done. He is also soft! Your opinion and a few others vs. the majority of the forum! Good luck convincing us! </div> Emannen reasons why Yao's soft -"because I've seen Yao play and I've seen a soft player" -"I've never seen Yao take over a game" proved that wrong -"everybody else thinks he is too" uuuh... great point I realize that I can't change anybody's opinion. Everybody's definition of "soft" is different. Being that Yao is 7'6, and Chinese, people seem to put unrealistic expectations on him. I try to look at it from a basketball standspoint, and his first 3 years in the league have been GREAT. If you compare his numbers with other superstars in they're first three season, Yao can hold his own. It's funny when people say he isn't going to get better, but his stats suggest otherwise. If you want to go by stats, then Yao is far from "soft". If you go by character, then who cares because they said the same thing about Grant Hill. Nice guys will always get labeled soft
^^ Yao's first 3 seasons: MPG 30.8 RPG 8.5 PPG 16.4 Kevin Garnets MPG 35.6 RPG 7.9 PPG 15.3 IF you asked me i would say that they have shockingly similar stats. Yes yao is inconsistent. Yes yao doesn't play to his potential. BUt Yao is still not "soft" in the way everyone makes him out to be. Someone mentioned how Yao didn't stand up to Amare when amare punked him. Yao had one of his best games against amare. He grabbed 22 boards! True yao wont be as tough as other players but He is tough in the sense that he will bring it to other players, He is one of the hardest people to guard in the NBA, and will have a great career despite being so-called "soft". To me being "soft" is not an issue so long as you handle your business and lead your team to wins and eventually a championship.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KfrumHTOWN!:</div><div class="quote_post">^^ Yao's first 3 seasons: MPG 30.8 RPG 8.5 PPG 16.4 Kevin Garnets MPG 35.6 RPG 7.9 PPG 15.3.</div> Thanks for posting those stats. That just further explains my point. Did Garnett get better after his first 3 years? Umm. Yes. But for some reason, people assume that Yao can't, even though his stats are better his first 3 years. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting KfrumHTOWN!:</div><div class="quote_post"> IF you asked me i would say that they have shockingly similar stats. Yes yao is inconsistent. Yes yao doesn't play to his potential. BUt Yao is still not "soft" in the way everyone makes him out to be. Someone mentioned how Yao didn't stand up to Amare when amare punked him. Yao had one of his best games against amare. He grabbed 22 boards!.</div> That's the game I was talking about too. Yao dunked all in Amare's face that night lol. I think that was a monumental game for Yao, because he showed Amare that he isn't that much better, and that Yao isn't going to back down from him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">Thanks for posting those stats. That just further explains my point. Did Garnett get better after his first 3 years? Umm. Yes. But for some reason, people assume that Yao can't, even though his stats are better his first 3 years. That's the game I was talking about too. Yao dunked all in Amare's face that night lol. I think that was a monumental game for Yao, because he showed Amare that he isn't that much better, and that Yao isn't going to back down from him.</div> The Fact is that Yao was NOT a player coming straight out of high school. That is like comparing Yao to JO, Kobe, T-Mac, and many other high scholars. The ONLY players to have an immediate impact straight out of high school are Amare, Moses Malone, and Lebron. While Yao did have one of his best games against Amare, but yet it is only one game. Many players have good nights but they must show consistency (Yao has not). I can remember Tony Delk while playing for the Suns had a 50 point game yet averaged less than 10 ppg on the year. Again one good game means very little. One the other hand Amare was very consistent throughout the year averaging 26 ppg. He actually led his team in the playoffs, especially in the Spurs series. To say I have not presented relevant facts to Yao being soft is crazy. Again you must R-E-A-D! I'll allow you to do that now on one of my previous posts. I'm watching Sportcenter tonight by the way!
whoa there emmanen. you gots to chill. sound so angry. i agree with u that u cant compare yao to other high schoolers. remember that he went from playing in one country to another though. not understanding english and playin american basketball would require transition. that said, i dont think yao is soft. his problem is he is inconsistent. i guess that can be a kinda softness but its a lil different in yaos case. he looks like he just gets tired or gets in too much foul trouble. yea n that game with amare, amare didnt step up to yao n yao pretty much dominated. i think ur saying houston fans are being biased but ur just as much.
Is Yao Ming soft? Is the sky blue? Is the grass green? Simple questions folks, the answer is yes. Yao is about as tough as a Teddy Bear... He needs to build muscle (and recent reports have said that he is working on that) in order to be a dominant big man. But then again, he may never be a dominant big man. His natural instincts are not to knock people around down low. He still as some growing to do, but just because he's soft, doesn't mean he's not a good player.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post">The Fact is that Yao was NOT a player coming straight out of high school. That is like comparing Yao to JO, Kobe, T-Mac, and many other high scholars. The ONLY players to have an immediate impact straight out of high school are Amare, Moses Malone, and Lebron. While Yao did have one of his best games against Amare, but yet it is only one game. Many players have good nights but they must show consistency (Yao has not). I can remember Tony Delk while playing for the Suns had a 50 point game yet averaged less than 10 ppg on the year. Again one good game means very little. One the other hand Amare was very consistent throughout the year averaging 26 ppg. He actually led his team in the playoffs, especially in the Spurs series. To say I have not presented relevant facts to Yao being soft is crazy. Again you must R-E-A-D! I'll allow you to do that now on one of my previous posts. I'm watching Sportcenter tonight by the way! </div> Well excuse me. All that stuff you wrote just shows the typical insecurities some Amare fans have and the fact is Amare has all these players around him that make him better (ahem Nash *cough* Marion *cough x2*) and yet time and time and again Amare has shown that without all his boys to feed him the ball he will collapse and not perform. Yet Yao on the other hand had shown that even with Handicaps he can still be productive and let's face it Amare all his life has played around the best players whereas Yao had to play against players who aren't even worthy of American high school kids let alone NBA plus Yao doesn't have all this athleticism that Amare has. So before you rudely make comments about Yao like that i'd like to say that you are showing insecurity and obviously Yao would have to be something in order for you to dedicate a thread at insulting him and then comparing him to Amare.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting drake:</div><div class="quote_post">Well excuse me. All that stuff you wrote just shows the typical insecurities some Amare fans have and the fact is Amare has all these players around him that make him better (ahem Nash *cough* Marion *cough x2*) and yet time and time and again Amare has shown that without all his boys to feed him the ball he will collapse and not perform. Yet Yao on the other hand had shown that even with Handicaps he can still be productive and let's face it Amare all his life has played around the best players whereas Yao had to play against players who aren't even worthy of American high school kids let alone NBA plus Yao doesn't have all this athleticism that Amare has. So before you rudely make comments about Yao like that i'd like to say that you are showing insecurity and obviously Yao would have to be something in order for you to dedicate a thread at insulting him and then comparing him to Amare.</div> I did dedicate a whole thread to him, to prove a point. The majority of posters here think Yao is soft. Two seasons ago Amare played with a team that did not even win 30 games, and yet he still had a better year then Yao has ever had averaging over 20 ppg. He played with superior players two years ago! Man I am insecure that Amare has had better years every year of his career. He is SOFT! As I have said Yao is a good player but he is soft.
I think Yao is a very good player, don't get me wrong. I just think he could be incredible if he were a little tougher. I'm not sure what the definition of soft is, but I remember when D-Rob was still playing here that he was labeled as soft. He didn't have that "killer instinct", so I guess thats what I think soft is. Players like Jordan, Bird, Magic, Barkley, etc, would do whatever it took out there on the court and they were the one intimidating people aggressively. That's what I think of as tough and I guess I think that soft is the players who just dont have that quality in them. As a Spurs fan, I admit that Robinson was a soft player, in that regard, but it doesn't mean he wasn't a great player, it just means he could have been better. I see Yao in the same light. There aren't many true Center's I'd rather have (only one comes to mind) than him and he is great, but I just think if he played with the mentality of a Barkley, he would be unstoppable. Just my .02
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post">The Fact is that Yao was NOT a player coming straight out of high school. That is like comparing Yao to JO, Kobe, T-Mac, and many other high scholars. The ONLY players to have an immediate impact straight out of high school are Amare, Moses Malone, and Lebron. While Yao did have one of his best games against Amare, but yet it is only one game. Many players have good nights but they must show consistency (Yao has not). I can remember Tony Delk while playing for the Suns had a 50 point game yet averaged less than 10 ppg on the year. Again one good game means very little. One the other hand Amare was very consistent throughout the year averaging 26 ppg. He actually led his team in the playoffs, especially in the Spurs series. To say I have not presented relevant facts to Yao being soft is crazy. Again you must R-E-A-D! I'll allow you to do that now on one of my previous posts. I'm watching Sportcenter tonight by the way! </div> I like this thread. This is very entertaining..................Anyway, one thing you never mentioned is that Yao has had it harder than ANY player from a College, Highschool, or anywhere. Garnett couldn't dream of having as much pressure as Yao has had on him his first 3 years. But yet, Yao has put up BETTER numbers than KG during this time period. Even with these facts, people still call him "soft", for whatever reason. Like I said, if you go by stats, and productivity, Yao has never been soft. I urge everybody to look at some of these superstars stats they're first three years, and compare they're stats to Yao's, and see who's is better. For a 25 year old Center, who's learning a new culture, new way of living, and how to play in the NBA, I wouldn't say he's soft, I'd say he's growing accustom to life in America. I've seen Yao get mad, but that's not who he is.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">I like this thread. This is very entertaining..................Anyway, one thing you never mentioned is that Yao has had it harder than ANY player from a College, Highschool, or anywhere. Garnett couldn't dream of having as much pressure as Yao has had on him his first 3 years. But yet, Yao has put up BETTER numbers than KG during this time period. Even with these facts, people still call him "soft", for whatever reason. Like I said, if you go by stats, and productivity, Yao has never been soft. I urge everybody to look at some of these superstars stats they're first three years, and compare they're stats to Yao's, and see who's is better. For a 25 year old Center, who's learning a new culture, new way of living, and how to play in the NBA, I wouldn't say he's soft, I'd say he's growing accustom to life in America. I've seen Yao get mad, but that's not who he is.</div> You can't even begin to tell me that Yao was more raw then KG coming out of high school! Amare came straight out of high school and has better stats then Yao, as does Lebron another high schooler. All of the other high schoolers do not have comparative stats because they were soooo raw. And as I have said numerous times you can be a good player and be soft. Yao is a good player but he is soft. As others have said he needs that Barkley mentality, that would make him a great player. I do not see it happening.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post">You can't even begin to tell me that Yao was more raw then KG coming out of high school! Amare came straight out of high school and has better stats then Yao, as does Lebron another high schooler. All of the other high schoolers do not have comparative stats because they were soooo raw. And as I have said numerous times you can be a good player and be soft..</div> What exactly is your definition of "soft"? I just would like to know <div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post"> Yao is a good player but he is soft. As others have said he needs that Barkley mentality, that would make him a great player. I do not see it happening.</div> Now we have it.........In order for Yao Ming to "NOT BE SOFT" he needs to have the "Barkley Mentality". Uuum.....yeah, that sounds logical Maybe if he spits on a fan, and elbows a player in the face he'll finally get respect from this forum. That's what Yao should work on this off season.
First of all coming outta high school is a good argument, but think about this..the difference of the game from Chinese basketball to American basketball....High Schoolers play American basketball all their lives...whereas Yao although not a high schooler...he did have to convert from playing Chinese/International ball to what we play here.... 2nd of all stop comparing him to all the players who play something other than C or PF because they are two different positions and cannot be fairly judged.....and just wondering...why is it alwayz Amare you comparing him to....hmm? there are planety of other people you can compare him with....don't pick one that is super good...which if I may say has had the benefit of playing with better players than Yao has.... Also just wanted to say this real quick....Emannen we came here to state whether Yao is soft or not...keep it at that....him being soft (which I admit he is in a mental way) does not have to do with attacking him as a player....don't turn this thread into dogging a player..... have a nice day
