<div class="quote_poster">Quoting celtsfan2589:</div><div class="quote_post">haha smh....for a 23 year to step up in the playoffs 7 straight games shows leadership to me and he has the speed and defense we wanna build around...dickaus defense isnt anything special and he doesnt have the speed....id rather start marcus over dan....on a talented team liek ours i dont see dan putting up more then 7 points and MAYBE like 4 assists and thats as a starter</div> for real marcus has showed us that his skills have improved his d is better and he has showed leadership in the time he has been a celtics.... dickau dosent play d like marcus can, he cant run the ball up the court like marcus can, dosent have the speed, his assists are only high b/c he was on the hornets and there is no talent on that team except for smith, and dickau dosent have the playoff expierience liek marcus has and marcus has shiwn he can play underpressure on a playoff team... dickau will only put up 7 and mayb 4 b/c he wont b shooting as much as he did in neworleans plus if it comes down to him or marcus for the starting job marcus will blow him away in camp and doc will c that marcus is the better pg than dickau is and will start banks over dickau and with dickau coming off the bench his numbers will b even worse bottom line is banks is better than dickau they shouldn't trade him if they do it will b a mistake they will regret he's young fast good d and his offensive numbers will rise quickly once he becomes a starter i have no hate against dickau i just dont think he is better than banks or delonte period
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting celtsfan2589:</div><div class="quote_post">haha smh....for a 23 year to step up in the playoffs 7 straight games shows leadership to me and he has the speed and defense we wanna build around...dickaus defense isnt anything special and he doesnt have the speed....id rather start marcus over dan....on a talented team liek ours i dont see dan putting up more then 7 points and MAYBE like 4 assists and thats as a starter</div> Like when in games 5, 6, and 7? In which he played 40 minute, made 2 out of 9 shots, had 3 assists, 4 turnovers, 6 personal fouls, and 0 steals. I'm sorry but I didn't really see much leadership there either. I'm not trying to talk down Banks, but you can't claim how bad Dickau is and great Banks is, when Banks hasn't proven anything.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BC:</div><div class="quote_post">Like when in games 5, 6, and 7? In which he played 40 minute, made 2 out of 9 shots, had 3 assists, 4 turnovers, 6 personal fouls, and 0 steals. I'm sorry but I didn't really see much leadership there either. I'm not trying to talk down Banks, but you can't claim how bad Dickau is and great Banks is, when Banks hasn't proven anything.</div> when did i ever say dickau was bad?....if you took the time to read earlier in the thread im a dickau fan i followed him throuh colleg and mostly in atlanta but i began to lose intrest...i was happy for him last year that he was on a horrific team so he can shine and hopefully go some where and be of some use to a team....im not even mad that we got him i think he can help....but if getting dan means the trading of banks im not sure if i want him....banks has more to offer down the road....and i dont thikn dan fits in with the defensive and fast break style of basketball the celtics play
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting celtsfan2589:</div><div class="quote_post">when did i ever say dickau was bad?....if you took the time to read earlier in the thread im a dickau fan i followed him throuh colleg and mostly in atlanta but i began to lose intrest...i was happy for him last year that he was on a horrific team so he can shine and people go some where and be of some use to a team....im not even mad that we got him i think he can help....but if getting dan means the trading of banks i dont want him....banks has more to offer down the road....and i dont thikn dan fits in with the defensive and fast break style of basketball the celtics play</div> yeh nobody in here thinks dickau is bad its just that if we have to get rid of banks for dickau to come in its a bad move...... i think dickau could help us a little off the bench but he wouldn't b able 2 keep up with the fast break and upspeed tempo now that we got gerald green allen and ricky who love 2 run and score on the fast break dickau won't b able 2 keep up with them like banks would b able 2 i like dickau but i dont wanna c banks go he will be real good in the future and will b able 2 help this team win in the future
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting tiny dancer:</div><div class="quote_post">is DD signed yet??</div> not yet and i dont kno y
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting celtics34:</div><div class="quote_post">not yet and i dont kno y</div> its a sign and trade...still in the works of what NO will get in the trade....probably a pick and TE
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting celtsfan2589:</div><div class="quote_post">its a sign and trade...still in the works of what NO will get in the trade....probably a pick and TE</div> Don't get up no pick for that ol' boy. Although there will obviously be no room for a second rounder on the team next year, I still wouldn't let one go for Dickau. Give them the TE, and call them lucky, because this deal is hardly one the Celtics should be too terribly indulgent in making.
Oh, Hell Naw! <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Crywalker:</div><div class="quote_post">Don't get up no pick for that ol' boy. Although there will obviously be no room for a second rounder on the team next year, I still wouldn't let one go for Dickau. Give them the TE, and call them lucky, because this deal is hardly one the Celtics should be too terribly indulgent in making.</div> I am NOT loving this deal. After they parted with GP and decided to go with the youth movement I was good with a G rotation of Marcus Banks, Delonte West and Tony Allen. After the draft/summer league I was more than good with Banks, West, Green, Allen, Will Bynum (a player who was a legend in the Chi when he was in high school running around with Tony Allen, Q Richardson, Luther Head, Ed Curry, Jay Straight, Roger Powell, and Sean Dockery) and Orien Green (former Florida PG) I was a happy Celtic fan....UNTIL the signing of Scalabrine. Not feeling it AT ALL. Next was the Borchardt & Woods deal...not feeling it either. Not making Pierce a priority? Acquiring Walker for the stretch run just to package him with a bow and send him to Miami therefore giving them everything except for championship trophy? Oh hell no! It was bad enough watching fans embrace Walker during the win streak just to watch them turn on HIM and PIERCE during the playoffs! I was in the Fleet when the fans were booing Pierce and Walker but cheering Tom Brady and Larry Bird everytime their faces appeared on the Jumbotron! Next bad move....drop Banks for Dan Dickau? What! Banks will eat all the food on Dickau's plate! Delonte will straight up body Dickau! Between a rotation of Bynum, Banks and West they GOT Dickau cold. I understand that Dickau is more of a traditional pass first PG that Ainge and to a degree Doc is looking for, but DAN DICKAU IS NOT THE ANSWER!!! It's so bad that I can't even call if I'll be at the TD Banknorth Garden for any games this year! Who's starting at PF? Jefferson? He can't pass out of a double team! Who's center? LaFrentz? He was a big help in Game 1....and that's all in the playoffs vs. Indy. All I know is Pierce will be either SG or SF...without Walker as his buffer and enjoying a new identity as a bad guy/malcontent to Boston sports fans. Before it was Walker, then Pierce came and he was the golden boy of the two...now they've turned on Pierce, even though he had a career year in many aspects last year. The team has not assured Pierce of his team leader position...NOT GOOD. Trade rumors unadressed. No meetings this summer...that's garbage. I'm not feeling a vision that has Dickau at the point...unless PUSHES THE TEMPO AND DISTRIBUTES ON A NASH-LIKE LEVEL to the potent C's offense NONSTOP. I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING! One.
Hey, man! Nice to see you posting! I have to say you made some pretty damn convincing points. I think you share an opinion with many Celtics fans, and you've done a great job of presenting them very clearly. I can honestly say I'm a little blown away because I've never really looked at things like you have. OK, let's see here: <div class="quote_poster">Quoting GrnDynsty:</div><div class="quote_post">I am NOT loving this deal. After they parted with GP and decided to go with the youth movement I was good with a G rotation of Marcus Banks, Delonte West and Tony Allen. After the draft/summer league I was more than good with Banks, West, Green, Allen, Will Bynum (a player who was a legend in the Chi when he was in high school running around with Tony Allen, Q Richardson, Luther Head, Ed Curry, Jay Straight, Roger Powell, and Sean Dockery) and Orien Green (former Florida PG) I was a happy Celtic fan....UNTIL the signing of Scalabrine. Not feeling it AT ALL.</div>Is it the money that you don't like, or his game? I may be guilty of putting too much trust in Ainge, but I like the deal for all it's worth. I think he's a solid backup, and his salary is very low for a long time. I think he's the type of player they're looking for becasuse Danny and Doc like to rotate in "pairs" down low. They like one inside guy paired with one outside guy. I think the pairs you'll see are Jefferson/LaFrentz and Perkins/Scalabrine. He's also a character guy that's supposed to make players around him better. In my opinion, his signing is nothing to worry about because it means very little. I do, however, fully admit it's a risk when you sign any guy to a long term like that. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Next was the Borchardt & Woods deal...not feeling it either. Not making Pierce a priority? Acquiring Walker for the stretch run just to package him with a bow and send him to Miami therefore giving them everything except for championship trophy? Oh hell no! It was bad enough watching fans embrace Walker during the win streak just to watch them turn on HIM and PIERCE during the playoffs! I was in the Fleet when the fans were booing Pierce and Walker but cheering Tom Brady and Larry Bird everytime their faces appeared on the Jumbotron!</div> Hmmm....you really have me thinking now... You might be right about the fans doing Toine and Pierce wrong. I know I've hated Antoine from the start, but a good amount of fans seemed to have turned on him, and I'm not sure that's just. His game has actually gotten better, if anything. -- so I don't have a clue why his supporters turned on him. I just always hated him because I don't think he plays smart enough. He's very talented in so many ways, but his alter ego on the court takes over all the time. He brings a lot of frustration because of that, and I just never thought his positive qualities ever outweighed the negative ones. As for the deal, Danny said that Antoine was prepared to sign in Miami for the MLE, if a deal wasn't worked out. Ainge did what he had to do and got what he could. Equal value? No. Better than nothing? Yes. That's my view of it... But again, I have 100% respect for your view. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">drop Banks for Dan Dickau? What! Banks will eat all the food on Dickau's plate!food on Dickau's plate! Delonte will straight up body Dickau! Between a rotation of Bynum, Banks and West they GOT Dickau cold. I understand that Dickau is more of a traditional pass first PG that Ainge and to a degree Doc is looking for, but DAN DICKAU IS NOT THE ANSWER!!!</div> Come on, man. I don't think you're being very fair. We haven't seen enough from any of these guys to make any judgements. And remember, Banks is still here -- he's got just as much a chance at that starting role as anybody. Here's what I think the plan is: Let the guys battle it out. And I'm cool with that. We have awesome depth at point guard. All three of these guys could be something special. Let's determine who's who and make cuts later. Potential is different in the eyes of every different person. But it's always a gamble. Let's make our odds better and try out the potential of three different guys. It's also not very risky....so I can't really complain. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Who's starting at PF? Jefferson? He can't pass out of a double team! </div>Yup, and he also can't defend very well. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Who's center? LaFrentz? He was a big help in Game 1....and that's all in the playoffs vs. Indy.</div>I think he was a little worn down, but again, you're right.<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> All I know is Pierce will be either SG or SF...without Walker as his buffer and enjoying a new identity as a bad guy/malcontent to Boston sports fans. Before it was Walker, then Pierce came and he was the golden boy of the two...now they've turned on Pierce, even though he had a career year in many aspects last year. The team has not assured Pierce of his team leader position...NOT GOOD. Trade rumors unadressed. No meetings this summer...that's garbage.</div>It sucks, man. I hated on Pierce my fair share, but when I sat back and observed what I was doing, I knew I was wrong. He's got problem....but so does everybody else. Let's stop hating because he's our top guy and we rely on him so much. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm not feeling a vision that has Dickau at the point...unless PUSHES THE TEMPO AND DISTRIBUTES ON A NASH-LIKE LEVEL to the potent C's offense NONSTOP. I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING! One.</div>Yeah, he's no Nash...that's for sure. I'm actually rooting for Delonte myself. Dickau is pretty nice to have, though. I've always been a fan...I'm happy he's here. So, basically, my main point is: Sure, we have problems...but they're minimal considering our current state. We ain't gonna win a title this year, so let's do some hardcore development, compete for the playoffs, and have as much fun as we can with it.
Heres what i know ~ GrnDynasty is on the MONEY when it comes to Boston fans. They are so annoying because they pay no attention to our team. All they care about is the Sox and Pats..but thats a recent thing in my mind cuz I remember it wasnt like that years ago. Whatever. Let them be like that..their loss. I hope they dont expect us to be welcoming when they jump on the bandwagon in a few years!
All Across The Board... <div class="quote_poster">Quoting tiny dancer:</div><div class="quote_post">Heres what i know ~ GrnDynasty is on the MONEY when it comes to Boston fans. They are so annoying because they pay no attention to our team. All they care about is the Sox and Pats..but thats a recent thing in my mind cuz I remember it wasnt like that years ago. Whatever. Let them be like that..their loss. I hope they dont expect us to be welcoming when they jump on the bandwagon in a few years!</div> That is exactly my problem. As a kid, I was the DIE HARD Celtics fan win or lose. No matter who was in green I rooted for because they were Celtics. I could give you stats and facts but I didn't UNDERSTAND the game. When you get older and you see all of the other factors/politics involved in a sport, your eyes become opened. I always wondered why so many older men told me that they didn't care for the NBA anymore, but loved college basketball. Why they loved Duke, but not North Carolina or UNLV and Cincinnatti? Why they rooted for underdogs like Gonzaga and Valparaiso in the tourney, but not Coppin State or Grambling State? Why? Because a natural human action is identity. Middle America pretty much stopped watching the NBA after Micheal Jordan retired. Once Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kevin McHale, James Worthy, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Charles Barkley and Dr. J were all gone from the game it was over for certain segments of the population. Boston is a perfect example of this. If you take Paul Pierce, Antoine Walker, Ricky Davis, Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Corey Dillon, Willie McGinest, Pedro Martinez, Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz and weigh them against Curt Schilling, Johnny Damon, Jason Varitek, Tom Brady, Mike Vrabel, Tedy Bruschi, Keith Foulke, Nomar Garciaparra (whom they STILL ran outta town), Tim Wakefield, Adam Vinatieri, etc. The AVERAGE Bostonian identifies with Johnny Damon or Tom Brady A LOT EASIER than they do with Paul Pierce or Ricky Davis...bottom line. It helps that the Celtics have gone to the playoffs while the Pats and Sox have become WORLD CHAMPIONS but this double standard has always existed. I don't see the Celtics regaining their old popularity in Boston. I realize that back in the day, players played the game better, had better fundamentals, passed better and could knock down open jumpers. I ALSO realize that kids from Appalachia, farmboys from Kansas, Oklahoma, and Indiana USED TO MAKE IT TO THE NBA...not anymore. Now it's an AAU, AND 1, EBC FROM RUCKER PARK ERA and less and less American kids are specializing in basketball unless they come from urban centers like New York, Chicago, Baltimore/D.C., Philadelphia/PA, Miami/FL, Memphis/TN, Dallas/Texas, Mississippi, LA/CA, NC and many other cities. They are stuck in the sneaker companies grip and play in summer tournaments where people fight to find the next LeBron amongst Greg Oden, OJ Mayo, Demetrius Walker, Brandan Wright, Julian Wright, Billy Walker, and Thaddeus Young. If it weren't for the facts that I identify with so many of the OTHER GUYS on these lists, who knows? I might hate Antoine Walker or have even been one of the people that call sports talk radio to crucify Manny around the trade deadline every year and boo him at Fenway just to cheer him when the deadline is over and he hits the GW RBI! (HYPOCRITES!). I realize that no one one these boards post views like this, that's because we normally talk about these things on the stoop or in the barbershop...I just choose to do it on messageboards. One.
I agree 100%. Theres a huge double standard involved..which bothers me in a way. The other part of me doesnt care because these people dont know what they are missing. I dont want it to be hard to get tickets to either. I sont mind it the way it is.
I feel you on that.... <div class="quote_poster">Quoting tiny dancer:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree 100%. Theres a huge double standard involved..which bothers me in a way. The other part of me doesnt care because these people dont know what they are missing. I dont want it to be hard to get tickets to either. I sont mind it the way it is.</div> True. It's tough to get a ticket to a Red Sox or Patriots game unless you have connections or an inside person (and I do) I have my choice of 2 Patriots games this year and I can get Sox tickets all I gotta do is request them. My older sister and brother got it like that. I usually buy my own Celtic tickets though....unless my people can get me ridiculous seats like I had for the playoffs...best seats I had since Celts vs. Atlanta last game of the season before the 2002 playoffs started. One.
