<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Shooter has some good reasoning there. Although I would go with my lineup, Andersen can provide much more spark off the bench than Wesley- giving us a very quick and powerful second unit. Mike James is also almost better in every aspect of his game compared to Sura but provides us with the sixth man role. Same reasoning. For the Swift thing, I would try out both and see which role fits each player the best, and then work it out that way.</div> Yeah but Wesley isn't a quality enough player to be a long term solution, while DA is. The chemistry between Tmac and DA will be much better than Wesley. If Wesley were to start, it would defeat the purpose of getting Anderson. If you look at the starting line ups in the West, they're too good. We need to have our best line up on the starting on the floor.
^Like you said, we want the best lineup to play match with other teams, and i say that would be starting a healthy and faster mike james. The first games with mike james, i would say a lot of them yao was just doing bad overall. After some games, yao started putting points up with james, once 22. He doesnt give the ball to yao much less than sura, and if we give him some time, i bet they could start to work together. Perhaps james was just nervous to prove himself, Sura started off bad when he came - putting up bad offensive numbers. I dont know if anderson can be a third option. Considering everyones numbers drop when they come here, and DA put up less than 10 points last season. That too, with a real low percentage, so the less minutes shouldnt matter. He will have about the same role as wesley on this team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting drm2dnk:</div><div class="quote_post">Does any1 know if DA is starting or off benching?</div> I think he will because from what i've read he can play the 1, 2 and 3 position although he would not be a starter right away.
I really hope Head doesn't go to the NBDL. I mean how many players from the D-League make it to the NBA and actually contribute to their team? I think it would be best for Head to play some quality minutes, but again, that could be hard considering the amount of guards we have. (Sura, Wesley, Anderson, James)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting bplld:</div><div class="quote_post">^Like you said, we want the best lineup to play match with other teams, and i say that would be starting a healthy and faster mike james. The first games with mike james, i would say a lot of them yao was just doing bad overall. After some games, yao started putting points up with james, once 22. He doesnt give the ball to yao much less than sura, and if we give him some time, i bet they could start to work together. Perhaps james was just nervous to prove himself, Sura started off bad when he came - putting up bad offensive numbers. I dont know if anderson can be a third option. Considering everyones numbers drop when they come here, and DA put up less than 10 points last season. That too, with a real low percentage, so the less minutes shouldnt matter. He will have about the same role as wesley on this team.</div> First off, there is NO WAY you start Mike James. Too many reasons, many I've already named, he's a scorer, he plays turbo not giving Yao time to get in the post (check the playoffs), and his decision making is outta control at times. On the other hand, Sura doesn't need the ball the be effective. Also, gets players involved better than Mike James. Mike James is best when used as a spark plug off the bench. Second, DA's role will be FAR more different than Wesley's. DA will be a slasher, ball handler and WAY better 3rd option than Wesley. Wesley is a shooter, that's pretty much his best quality. DA's versatility automatically makes him a starter. There are no similarities in Wesley and DA's games.
I don't think DA's role in the Rockets offensive set-up will differ any from Wesley's role last season. Having him penetrate would only increase his chances of getting re-injured and his decision-making isn't the wisest; Anderson would sometimes force up a bad shot in hopes of getting fouled. The shooting guard within Van Gundy's offense will always be a stationary shooter and a perimeter defender. Wesley and Anderson don't differ much on offense with the Rockets, but I think Anderson's height should be taken advantage of and thus start.
I have a feeling Wesley will be traded some time next season. Possibly with one of our old PG's like Ward or Norris for a Quality PG... That would allow Sura to backup DA at SG.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">Second, DA's role will be FAR more different than Wesley's. DA will be a slasher, ball handler and WAY better 3rd option than Wesley. Wesley is a shooter, that's pretty much his best quality. DA's versatility automatically makes him a starter. There are no similarities in Wesley and DA's games.</div> I hate repeating myself. Look at DA's numbers. He put up 9 points at less than 29%, thats not a great third option. I think he is a big upgrade from wesley- he adds hieght and speed- but his role on the team will be just like wesley's. A spot up shooter, defender. I never said he shouldnt start or he plays worse than wesley. About james, like i said, we could use a third option, etc. Bobby Sura wasnt too great in the playoffs either. Infact, he didnt score a single point in the final two games of the series.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting bplld:</div><div class="quote_post">I hate repeating myself. Look at DA's numbers. He put up 9 points at less than 29%, thats not a great third option. I think he is a big upgrade from wesley- he adds hieght and speed- but his role on the team will be just like wesley's. A spot up shooter, defender. I never said he shouldnt start or he plays worse than wesley.</div> As much as I hate to make you repeat yourself again...................Yes, DA didn't have a good year last year. He averaged 9pts and shot a bad percentage for a Portland team that was going absolutley nowhere. He was coming off an injury, and was openly unhappy with Portland and all but said it by asking them to trade him. He never really had a identity in Portland being that the team they had no identity or system that fits DA. If you check his career numbers, you'll find he's much more productive than that. As far as scoring, he's obviously our best choice for a 3rd option. His role won't be just a spot up shooter, he'll be a slasher, who'll play the PG, SG, and SF positions. Wesley could never handle that much responsibility. I don't see why you keep saying "there roles are similar". DA's role on the team will be much bigger than Wesley's every was.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">because he's generally smaller than his matchup.</div> I've seen Wesley shut down Lebron James. Wesley is a good player everyone is giving him crap because towards the end of last year he was in a shooting slump. Until Anderson can prove that he can do what we want him to do; than Wesley should start over him.
I have gotten complete reason to believe that this is the starting line up (this line up is basically a compromise of the extremest for each side and ill also provide reason for each place) PG- sura(james cant start hes much better as a spark plub from bench), james, head(i truly have faith in this guy and think hell actually be second off the bench as SG but very unlikely) SG-wesley(JVG is a big fan of his defense and i realize anderson is better but i think JVG will start wesley to see wat happens first then make a transition if its not working), anderson or barry SF- tmac(no brainer),barry or anderson(anderson if he doesnt start at SG and barry b/c no1 else), bowen (no other spot for this guy) Pf- Swift(they will only start him b/c howard is coming off surgery and dont want to risk anything), Howard(who else?), baker (if theres no trade) C- yao(no brainer), deke(no brainer) MY OPINION(dont bash) 1)either ward or moochie is waived 2)which ever is left moochie or ward will be traded along with an expiring contract for a tru back up SF
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">As much as I hate to make you repeat yourself again...................Yes, DA didn't have a good year last year. He averaged 9pts and shot a bad percentage for a Portland team that was going absolutley nowhere. He was coming off an injury, and was openly unhappy with Portland and all but said it by asking them to trade him. He never really had a identity in Portland being that the team they had no identity or system that fits DA. If you check his career numbers, you'll find he's much more productive than that. As far as scoring, he's obviously our best choice for a 3rd option. His role won't be just a spot up shooter, he'll be a slasher, who'll play the PG, SG, and SF positions. Wesley could never handle that much responsibility. I don't see why you keep saying "there roles are similar". DA's role on the team will be much bigger than Wesley's every was.</div> Anderson has never really been a great scorer actually. He averaged more than 14 points only once or twice in his career. Like you said, he is also coming off injuries. Its doubtful he can put up 15 points for us. A more realiable third option then him is james, and if not him, than swift. By role, i mean at the shooting gaurd, i already said that obviously DA is better than wesley.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting bplld:</div><div class="quote_post">Anderson has never really been a great scorer actually. He averaged more than 14 points only once or twice in his career. Like you said, he is also coming off injuries. Its doubtful he can put up 15 points for us. A more realiable third option then him is james, and if not him, than swift. By role, i mean at the shooting gaurd, i already said that obviously DA is better than wesley.</div> We know he's better, that part is obvious. I'm confused about your theory that DA isn't the best third option. Please explain to me how Mike James is a more reliable scorer.....DA has averaged double figures in EVERY year but last year. Despite your claim, he averaged 16.9 pts with the Clippers, and 15.5 with the Spurs with more minutes. James' best year was when he averaged 12pts a game. So basically Anderson is a more RELIABLE and CONSISTENT scorer than anybody besides Tmac or Yao, making him THE BEST 3RD OPTION ON THE TEAM. Who told you he wasn't a good scorer.......because the stats suggest otherwise
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">We know he's better, that part is obvious. I'm confused about your theory that DA isn't the best third option. Please explain to me how Mike James is a more reliable scorer.....DA has averaged double figures in EVERY year but last year. Despite your claim, he averaged 16.9 pts with the Clippers, and 15.5 with the Spurs with more minutes. James' best year was when he averaged 12pts a game. So basically Anderson is a more RELIABLE and CONSISTENT scorer than anybody besides Tmac or Yao, making him THE BEST 3RD OPTION ON THE TEAM. Who told you he wasn't a good scorer.......because the stats suggest otherwise</div> I never said that DA didnt put up big numbers, but that was five years ago. Anderson puts up his points in 10 more minutes than James. James always came off the bench, i was talking about if he started. When he started, i remember him puting up points in the 20s. The next best third option on the team, before anderson, would be Swift. He can give you 17-18 points in 35 minutes. When we are talking 3rd option, that means points. Points are stats. Even if i am going completely on stats, no reason not to.
bplld, when James started, yes he averaged 20-something points, but did the team win? In the five games he started with the Rockets at point guard, James put up assist numbers of 3, 5, 7, 7 and 4. Sure, he does average Sura's assist minutes when starting, but Yao averaged 11.8 points per game, or almost 7 points below his season average. These are the stats that we should look at instead of points scored. When James is on the court, we can't get the best out of Yao because James is way ahead of him every time down the court.
exactly hopefully with the signing of swift we can run the court and with him it provides a fast team and a better half court defense team. Fast break team: pg- head (sura turned it over alot in these situations and i would love to see head fly) sg-barry (better passer) sf- mcgrady pf- swift c- doesnt matter but would rather have yao half court offense and defense pg- sura sg- wesley (great perimeter defense) sf-mcgrady pf-swift c-yao
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Fast break team: pg- head (sura turned it over alot in these situations and i would love to see head fly) sg-barry (better passer) sf- mcgrady pf- swift c- doesnt matter but would rather have yao</div> Nah, a much better break team would be like this- PG- James SG- Barry SF- Andersen PF- McGrady C- Swift Paying tribute to the Don Nelson small ball style which owned us in the playoffs.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Nah, a much better break team would be like this- PG- James SG- Barry SF- Andersen PF- McGrady C- Swift Paying tribute to the Don Nelson small ball style which owned us in the playoffs.</div> That's the secret weapon team we can save for those much hated Mavericks. Bet they won't ever think about going small against us again!
