...or does he have some more moves planned? And more importantly, if he is done, what's your take on the current roster? On the other hand, if you think he has some more moves left in him, what should they be? (Basically, what still needs improvement?)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">...or does he have some more moves planned? And more importantly, if he is done, what's your take on the current roster? On the other hand, if you think he has some more moves left in him, what should they be? (Basically, what still needs improvement?)</div> I think Ainge is done making moves himself. The only deal i can see happening is if a team approaches Ainge with a great deal for Pierce. Ainge isn't stupid and won't make a stupid trade that will hurt the team. I think our current roster is good. Boston is set at every position other than the Center position, If we could get a better back to the basket player Boston would be phenominal. Lafrentz just doesn't cut it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AA13:</div><div class="quote_post">I think Ainge is done making moves himself. The only deal i can see happening is if a team approaches Ainge with a great deal for Pierce. Ainge isn't stupid and won't make a stupid trade that will hurt the team. I think our current roster is good. Boston is set at every position other than the Center position, If we could get a better back to the basket player Boston would be phenominal. Lafrentz just doesn't cut it.</div> very true...we are set at just about every position...we are young so we have time to grow as well....but we do lack a solid center....unfortunatley there is no one out there worth making a deal with....centers nowadays are just to hard to come by....i hope perk gets more minutes to see what he can give us...i see perk being a bigger version of ben wallace
Danny better be done. Unless, like the previous posters said, a deal for Pierce is made or maybe a Jamal Maglore trade. However Im not a big fan of Jamal's (way overrated, attitude problems need I say more). The deal for Pierce should be the trade to end all trades. Danny made one too many deals this summer by signing Dickau. Well he made two too many deals. Im still scratching my head on the Carrothead deal. I still believe that the Celtics will surprise many and end up contending for the Atlantic crown again. Please Danny relax.
I was talking with some people I know that know alot of bball..they said Ainge is talking with Mchale in Minny about a deal for Olowokandi. I heard it would include Banks and Blount and we might get another player. I kept asking where they got it from..but i had no luck. take it with a grain of salt, but it sounds like a fair deal and these guys are right most the time. and 44 said it in the FOF game, too. Maybe its an internet rumor..maybe its truth.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting tiny dancer:</div><div class="quote_post">I was talking with some people I know that know alot of bball..they said Ainge is talking with Mchale in Minny about a deal for Olowokandi. I heard it would include Banks and Blount and we might get another player. I kept asking where they got it from..but i had no luck. take it with a grain of salt, but it sounds like a fair deal and these guys are right most the time. and 44 said it in the FOF game, too. Maybe its an internet rumor..maybe its truth.</div> wont happen...kandi is injury prone and a below average center...ainge doesnt want nor nead that on our team or the future....PERKINS IS THE FUTER AT CENTER.....THE EXT BIG BEN!!......BUT BIGGER!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting celtsfan2589:</div><div class="quote_post">wont happen...kandi is injury prone and a below average center...ainge doesnt want nor nead that on our team or the future....PERKINS IS THE FUTER AT CENTER.....THE EXT BIG BEN!!......BUT BIGGER!</div>It could happen, and I'd love it. Blount's contract goes on for years and years. Kandi-Man's ends after this coming season. Since they are basically the same guy, it works out well for us. Plus, Olowokandi can actually rebound. This is just a rumor, but I hope it happens.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">It could happen, and I'd love it. Blount's contract goes on for years and years. Kandi-Man's ends after this coming season. Since they are basically the same guy, it works out well for us. Plus, Olowokandi can actually rebound. This is just a rumor, but I hope it happens.</div> ehh if it happens he will be injured most of the season be of no help....only thing good about this clown is that his contract is up at the end of the season...but like i said before no matter who we get....BIG PERK is the MAN and i think we can get better then kandi man for a blount banks package IMO
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting celtsfan2589:</div><div class="quote_post">ehh if it happens he will be injured most of the season be of no help....only hting good about this clown is that his contract is up at the end of the season...but like i said before no matter who we get....BIG PERK is the MAN </div>I hope so, man. I love his game...and I think he's ready to contribute by now. His offensive game isn't polished, but we don't need him for that. Send him in there for some toughness and let him battle for boards and crack some heads. I hope Danny gets rid of Blount so that Doc has no choice but to play Perk.
I don't see how he could be done dealing. The Celtics have 5 PG's, and still don't have a solid starting C.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting 44Thrilla:</div><div class="quote_post">I hope so, man. I love his game...and I think he's ready to contribute by now. His offensive game isn't polished, but we don't need him for that. Send him in there for some toughness and let him battle for boards and crack some heads. I hope Danny gets rid of Blount so that Doc has no choice but to play Perk.</div> BLOUNT NEEDS TO GO...his game is weak...he shoots from the outside to much...thinks hes KG a blount and banks package should get us better then kandi man though... ...and if not id love to see the new TWIN TOWERS...BIG AL and BIG PERK start along side eachother
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting celtsfan2589:</div><div class="quote_post">BLOUNT NEEDS TO GO...his game is weak...he shoots from the outside to much...thinks hes KG a blount and banks package should get us better then kandi man though... ...and if not id love to see the new TWIN TOWERS...BIG AL and BIG PERK start along side eachother</div> The Twin Towers. That'd be a laugh, a whopping six foot ten set of twin towers. Remember the towers of the first Dream Team? That was a set right there. David Robinson and Hakeem Olajuwon, those were the days. Oh yeah, throw Ewing in that mix too, wow. Yes, Blount needs to go, but don't just take any old desperate deal. I think we need to fill his roster spot with a defensive stop gap. The center position will undoubtedly be addressed next offseason, so no sweat there. I just wish we could accelerate Alley Cat's growth a little, and have him playing some solid defense down low this year, but it doesn't look like it's happening just yet.
The War and Peace of Takes. Tony Allen:Aside from the point guards, Tony Allen is one of the more complicated players to analyze. Tony's real calling card is his defense, which I think will continue to improve with his motivation. He seems like the kind of character guy that coaches like to have. Allen does have a great above the rim game, but without the point guard to run a fast break, the value of that ability is negligible. I don't think that he's going to grow a jumpshot this year, but maybe within the next two he will develop an offensive game. The real problem will be playing time after the all-star break. If the celtics are still in the hunt (they may be) then Allen will still get some time at the two, and as a third guard in small lineups. If they are out of it, the Gerald Green Era may start and Tony will not get nearly as much time as he had. The real question is whether or not that will be enough for him. Marcus Banks: The toughest of the tough calls. Marcus can be a great defender, but the time has come for him to prove himself. I have heard it suggested that he plays better under extreme pressure, and that the celtics are trying to apply that pressure themselves. I have my doubts. Marcus is still young, and he doesn't seem to have the kind of basketball mind that is tempered by manipulation. He is undoubtedly a great athlete, and his speed is surpassed by only two or three guards in the whole league. If Orien Greene demonstrates even a shred of ability, then Marcus could be a role player on another team by mid-year. Mark Blount: The celtics version of an RMV employee. Blount is not valueless, he has some very discernible abilities, and as fans we have seen them. The problem is that Mark got paid, and he doesn't really care anymore. After that, he's still got a nice jump shot and will submit the Battie-esque weakside block on random occasions. Somewhere along the line, Blount's agent (is it Arn Tellem? I can't remember) told him that rebounding was for millionaires, not multi-millionaires. I think he will still be here, I think he will play, and I think that I will not enjoy it to the point of apoplexy. Curtis Borchardt: His name is irritating to spell, and he will hurt his foot if he is still on the team during the season. Most likely he will get hurt playing for someone else, so that's nice for us. I feel bad for poor Curt. Will Bynum: I will admit to some level of ignorance of Bynum's game. I do know that he played second fiddle to Jarrett Jack, who many didn't think was that good. From what I have seen, Bynum is small and fast. Can he dish? I think we would have heard a lot more about him if he could. Ricky Davis: I have forgiven Ricky for that triple double back in Cleveland, and I think that everyone else should to. Ricky plays hard, will periodically overpass, and is the most gifted athlete on the team. His defense is on the upper side of good and he can score in bunches. The bad shots will happen, but PP does the same thing, and we have learned to let that go (mostly). Ricky can flat elevate, and I think that's he's gonna do his Vinnie Johnson plus a whole stat line impression again this year. Ryan Gomes: Heard a lot of good things, saw a few of them at Providence. Undersized for a four and a little heavy, but not Chuck heavy. Not gonna be big enough to defend a real four (but there are surprisingly few good ones) and too slow for defending threes. Will be able to score on either because of his strength. Gomes has potential and a midrange jump shot that will make Tommy so happy. Not sure about his hands. Ryan will fill do the scoring for Perk on the second unit if everything works out right. Gerald Green: The next generation? Shooting range from what I've seen. Another man who can flat out leap. I believe that he should not be allowed to shoot a three pointer for at least two years. His defense is supposedly ok, but I won't believe a word of that until I see him outside of summer leagues and garbage time. His handle seems like it could be related to Pierce's; that is, he will surprise people with it. Then he will get scouted. I am excited for Gerald, but I'm only thinking he will get real playing time towards the second half of the year. Then he will show us some things...and I'm not talking about Kedrick-type things. Orien Greene: Not sure. Heard about the college D. Could present a real problem for either Allen or Banks. There is a lot more invested in those two players, so Greene will have to wait even longer than the other Green. Does he have O? I don't know. I haven't even seen footage, this is just hearsay. Al Jefferson: Don't know what to think here. Everything that I saw last year lead me to believe that Al is going to do great things. Those soft hands, and the beginnings of a real back to the basket game make me salivate. Is he dumb? I hope that he isn't. I don't think he is. Learning NBA defense on the run is hard, it has to be, especially when you've never really had to do anything but be tall. Al had better start, but we may not see him in true crush time until later on in his career. I think that he can legitimately put up a 15-8. Still he'll be inconsistent. And I'm in love with him. Raef Lafrentz: What could have been. I like Raef. He's a likeable guy. People will still ascribe some modicum of defense to him, but that's an outright lie. Raef rarely frustrates anyone, no matter how big they are. Can shoot the three well for his position, whatever it may be. Can depend on him for some pretty surprising follow up dunks. Jump shot is less dependable than Blount's. An effort rebounder who doesn't read angles as well as someone with his level of experience should. May start for awhile, and I'll still like him while he's plodding alone. (Nowhere in this did I mention his knees, because it's been said.) Kendrick Perkins: Another supremely likeable guy. Gives the impression that he would happily kill another player if they hurt one of his teammates. Can rebound better than many, because of height, bulk and effort. Good for about four body fouls a game in our current wimpy NBA. May start sometime this year, and it may be a mistake. Could average ten boards a game and two or three blocks. Will borrow some follow dunks from Lafrentz if he learns real post positioning. No jump shot. Could he rent a hook from somewhere? The Man: Paul Pierce can do virtually anything well, and he can score exceptionally well. He is tired, and he will keep being tired. Paul will put up similar numbers to last year, and may play some more of that weird three/one hybrid (POINT FORWARD!) that was so fun to watch. He will also have a ton of turnovers from trying way too hard. I really hope that he doesn't get traded. His presence as a stabilizing force on the team cannot be misunderestimated. Dan Dickau: Wasn't really a point guard at Gonzaga, Blake Steppe did the dirty work back then. I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt as the starter this year. I am not prepared to believe that he can pass any better than Delonte. Plays Steve Nash defense, without the Steve Nash offense. Prepared to like him for playing hard, and be irritated by his limitations. Brian Scalabrine: He's tallish, and he makes other players better I guess. I know that he has a jump shot, but other teams may scout that. Seems to do things passably well, and he isn't fast. Will play some undersized four or five, I guess. Really may end up spelling Raef more than I think he will. PS: I hope that this isn't true. Justin Reed Absolutely no place for poor Justin. He can still go to the NBDL, can't he? I haven't read the CBA. Will probably light it up somewhere. Whether or not he is a celtics' property is another story. Delonte West: In basketball, left handedness is an underrated virtue. People are forever guarding his off-hand. Delonte can pass, Delonte can shoot, Delonte can play D, and Delonte can go to the hoop. Only two things are really missing from Delonte's game. The first is his handle, and I think that it will get a lot better in a short time. I've watched tape, and I know that his dribbling got a lot better in the last year alone. The second thing is all about consistency, West is just going to have to work as hard as he has, and a little harder. Everything else will come with time. I am convinced that he will become a great point guard within a year. But will he get hurt? Qyntel Woods: I hope that his dogs don't maul anyone as he's going out the door. Another superb athlete, but we've got plenty and he's got a poor attitude. I, too, carry my little league baseball card as a form of identification. My novel is over, thanks for reading it. Agree or disagree, I love to talk ball.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting postpoint:</div><div class="quote_post">Marcus Banks: The toughest of the tough calls. Marcus can be a great defender, but the time has come for him to prove himself. I have heard it suggested that he plays better under extreme pressure, and that the celtics are trying to apply that pressure themselves. I have my doubts. Marcus is still young, and he doesn't seem to have the kind of basketball mind that is tempered by manipulation. He is undoubtedly a great athlete, and his speed is surpassed by only two or three guards in the whole league. If Orien Greene demonstrates even a shred of ability, then Marcus could be a role player on another team by mid-year.</div>I agree on most of your points, but I think his time to prove himself is just about over. I can honestly say that I haven't seen an ounce of improvement from him over the past two seasons. It hurts because we all see the potential, and anybody can point out any single one of his monster games as evidence of what he's capable of. The problem is for every great play, there's a bad play...every great game, a bad one...etc. etc.. The management is trying to influence him in a positive way by holding a threat over his head, a threat that's meant not to manipulate his play, but his attitude -- which some have come to catergorize as a major problem. I have nothing against him, I just think it would be better for the team if we had some stability in the lineup. If parting ways with Marcus is the best option, then I'll be all for it. If he stays here and earns himself a starting role, then that's all for the better. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Ricky Davis: I have forgiven Ricky for that triple double back in Cleveland, and I think that everyone else should to. Ricky plays hard, will periodically overpass, and is the most gifted athlete on the team. His defense is on the upper side of good and he can score in bunches. The bad shots will happen, but PP does the same thing, and we have learned to let that go (mostly). Ricky can flat elevate, and I think that's he's gonna do his Vinnie Johnson plus a whole stat line impression again this year.</div>I love Tyree. I had my questions at first, but the more I watch him play, the more I love his game. However, his defense still needs to improve. He's one of those guys that can just about lock down anybody because he's so quick and athletic, but we only see flashes of that from him, which can be frustrating. I do think that Doc and Ricky have a nice relationship, and if anybody can be a positive influence on Ricky, Doc can. Hopefully Ricky will become the consistent defender we need him to be, completing the total package. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Gerald Green: The next generation? Shooting range from what I've seen. Another man who can flat out leap. I believe that he should not be allowed to shoot a three pointer for at least two years. His defense is supposedly ok, but I won't believe a word of that until I see him outside of summer leagues and garbage time. His handle seems like it could be related to Pierce's; that is, he will surprise people with it. Then he will get scouted. I am excited for Gerald, but I'm only thinking he will get real playing time towards the second half of the year. Then he will show us some things...and I'm not talking about Kedrick-type things.</div>I kind of hope we don't see very much of Green this year. I've seen him play in the summer league and in a few other games...his defense is utterly horrible at this point. To a point where he'll be a liability on the court. They should wait with him...have him guard Pierce and Ricky in practice...and don't put him in until he can hold his own. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Raef Lafrentz: What could have been. I like Raef. He's a likeable guy. People will still ascribe some modicum of defense to him, but that's an outright lie. Raef rarely frustrates anyone, no matter how big they are. Can shoot the three well for his position, whatever it may be. Can depend on him for some pretty surprising follow up dunks. Jump shot is less dependable than Blount's. An effort rebounder who doesn't read angles as well as someone with his level of experience should. May start for awhile, and I'll still like him while he's plodding alone. (Nowhere in this did I mention his knees, because it's been said.)</div>I agree with everything except that his jumper is less dependable than Blount's. His jump shooting numbers are actually better, according to 82games.com, and that means a lot considering he takes so many threes. I have to say -- I love Raef. It kills me that he makes so much money because people don't focus on the player he actually is because of it. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Justin Reed Absolutely no place for poor Justin. He can still go to the NBDL, can't he? I haven't read the CBA. Will probably light it up somewhere. Whether or not he is a celtics' property is another story.</div>I believe he can play in the NBDL (not 100% sure). I think the rule is anybody with less than 2 years of NBA experience. _________________ Other than that, I agree with just about everything. I've had my battles with certain players, but everything seems to reset itself in the offseason. It's good to have you aboard. You clearly know your stuff, and I look forward to future discussions.
Damn you two! Nice discussion going on in here!! I put they players in categories.. Love 'em Delonte Ricky Al Jeff Gomes Perkins Veal Scalabrine Meh.. Pierce Tony Allen Dickau Raef Reed Greene Green Leave 'em Blount Banks Woods Borchart Bynum I have mad love for Pierce. I can't hate on him for anything on the court.. (his attitude is questionable ~ thats why hes a meh.)
