I was thinking the best Line-Up for the nets would be: A) Mark Jackson Nenad Kristik Jefferson Carter Kidd
I like that lineup, but I'd also go with: Krstic Robinson RJ VC Kidd Robinson would be able to guard the quicker pfs.
I'd go with: C - Nenad Kristic PF - Cliff Robinson SF - Richard Jefferson SG - Vince Carter PG - Jason Kidd
PG - Jason Kidd SG - Vince Carter SF - Richard Jefferson PF - Marc Jackson C - Nenad Kristic I just don't see Cliff starting, I don't know why, and I wouldn't start him either because though his defense is good man to man, the Nets will suffer a lot on the boards with Kristic and Cliff inside.
Yeah, RJ has really improved on the boards, he proved that last year before the injury. But I would still prefer: C: Nenad Krstic- Will only improve more this season. He was probably one of the biggest rookie surprises, if not the biggest, last season, nabbing an all-2nd team spot despite getting picked in the mid 20's in the 2002 draft. He's a pretty good rebounder, too, and he can score well inside. PF: Marc Jackson- A veteran compliment to Krstic. Though he isn't much of a defender, he's a good inside player, and a good rebounder. Why not Cliff? Uncle Cliff is just too old for a starting spot right now. I don't think he's capable of playing more than 15 mpg per game anymore. Even though he is still an excellent defender, he can't give us much more, other than outside scoring, which we don't need from a big man this year. Why not Veal(Jason Collins)? JC just doesn't seem to improve too much every year. He's still a smart player, but he's just not talented enough. And at nearly 27, he's slowly approaching his prime, which means he won't get too much better, even if he does improve suddenly. I don't expect him to get more than 8 and 6 in a starting spot, and he's too weak to bang with the good crop of power forwards in the east, like Jermaine O'Neal, 'Sheed, Webber, Bosh, and even Haslem. I think JC would have a more appropriate role backing up Nenad. Why not Tractor Traylor? Tractor isn't a starter. His role is more of a 6th man type of guy, getting some boards and points off the bench. I can see him sharing backup minutes with Cliff and maybe take on a more important role if somebody gets fatigued or injured. SF: RJ- He's still young, and still improving. He had a clinched spot on the all-star team last season before his injury. He's a very well-rounded player and an athletic one at that. He can pretty much guarantee us 20, 7, and 4 a night. SG: VC- IMO, Vince is just at good as he was 4 years ago. He's still one of the best scorers in the league, and one of the best dunkers ever. And when he gives his best on defense(which is happening more and more lately), he's a great defender, too. PG: Jason Kidd- He still hasn't lost a step, even though he's past his prime, and he's still a lock-down defender and the most influential player in the league.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">PG - Jason Kidd SG - Vince Carter SF - Richard Jefferson PF - Marc Jackson C - Nenad Kristic</div> I think that Jackson will join the starting lineup later in the year. I think the Nets would put Collins in the lineup and see what happens. If they decide to change, im sure they will put Jackson as the starting PF. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Veal(Jason Collins)?</div> His nickname is "Twin". Scalabrine's nickname was "Veal" .
IMO, it depends on wat team they'll be playing against.. but the "Cerberus" or three-headed monster wud always be there.. KIDD, VC and RJ.. the forward spots are a bit tangible, theyre d ones dat are gonna be adjusted ... such as in a game with physical bigs, dey wont rely much on krstic esp. in the early mins... f its gunna vs. a run and gun team, i dunt xpect traylor (is dis already sure??) to play HEAVY minutes (no pun intended..)
How about a Suns-esque lineup? PG:Kidd SG:Wright or McInnis (depends on how well Wright plays) SF:VC PF:Jefferson C: Kristic Seeing how well Marion did at PF in the west, I think RJ would do very well at PF in the east. Maybe you guys could change lineups when playing Indiana or Miami but those are about the only teams that would give a small lineup trouble. I doubt this lineup is likely but I think it would work very well with Kidd running the offense surrounded by a ton of firepower.
The fact of the matter is that, Marion is taller than Jefferson by at least two inches. Marion has a PF hieght, Jefferson has an undersized PF size, which makes him less effective at PF, but much more effective at SF.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">^^ you're forgetting RJ is quite capable of bringing in 20 boards in any given game also.</div> The reason he was grabbing boards like that was because the team was bad on the boards. It's not really a good thing if your SF get's so many rebounds, unless it's someone like Marion, but when they're getting the boards because your team sucks as opposed to because of how good they are at rebounding, it's not good. Kidd and RJ can grab 6-7 boards, and Carter 5 boards, but you still need at least 2 guys inside grabbing about 7 boards each. Cliff grabs about 3-4 RPG in 28-33 minutes of play, and Kristic last year was grabbing 5.3 in 26 MPG, which is just below average for a big. It's only 8.1 Rebound PER 40, and 6.1 PER 30 mins. Marc Jackson will probably be the best rebounder on the team. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The fact of the matter is that, Marion is taller than Jefferson by at least two inches. Marion has a PF hieght, Jefferson has an undersized PF size, which makes him less effective at PF, but much more effective at SF.</div> Marion is 6'7, he's not one bit taller than RJ. Marion is just a good rebounder, he combines his quick jumping ability, and his knack for the ball, and he's very good. Rebounding is a skill not really pertaining to height.
Yeah, Marion is the same height as Jefferson.. But the difference is Marion's probably got a much longer reach and therefore he plays longer/taller than he actually is.. (You look at Marion and you just believe he's gotta be like 6'10") Add to that fact that he's built to play like a human pogo stick and you got the slight differences in their games..
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting swyftdahoe:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, Marion is the same height as Jefferson.. But the difference is Marion's probably got a much longer reach and therefore he plays longer/taller than he actually is.. (You look at Marion and you just believe he's gotta be like 6'10") Add to that fact that he's built to play like a human pogo stick and you got the slight differences in their games..</div> Wow, all this time I thought the guy was 6'9" and 1/2. He also appears to have longer arms than Jefferson. I still have to say that RJ is build for the SF position and that he should not be forced to adjust to the PF position. Keeping in mind also that he style that the Nets play is founded upon defense. I would be kinda tough to RJ to defend alot of the PF in the league.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kristic last year was grabbing 5.3 in 26 MPG, which is just below average for a big. It's only 8.1 Rebound PER 40, and 6.1 PER 30 min</div> It's kinda unfair because Krstic got a lot of garbage minutes in the beginning of the season..playing at the end of the game where they just hold the ball for 5 minutes..just where no one played hard and the game was decided. He was a fine rebounder when he got starter minutes.
Please stop it with the topics with Collins not ion the starting lineup...because I know people only make them because they dont like Collin's game and dont feel he should be a starter....I admit Iam not a big JC fan...but Iam also still realistic in assessing his game when it comes to the team. He is the best defensive big we got...and he is the most familiar with our system. We have made it to the playoffs 4 straight seasons(yes, I include his rookie year, cause he started all those games where Todd Mchullah was injured), with him as our starting big. So for those reasons alone he is the most secure big man as far as starting goes that we have. So please stop it with the Cliff Robinson and Marc Jackson starting talk....Robinson might not even be in the every game rotation.....he is not a spring chicken anymore. And the Nets are acquiring Traylor...coach Franks may just end up saving Robinson and just using him as a bigman for special defensive assignments. And as far as Marc Jackson goes he will get plenty of minutes, in my opinion, but JC isnt at risk of losing his spot to him. The starting lineup will look just like it did at the end of the season last year, except insert a healthy Jefferson at the 3 spot.
To elaborate the line up that I mentioned before (keeping in mind a lot of the things that Henacy mentioned); Collins has been very consistent in the last four years. He does not bring down a whole lot of boards, he does not block too many shots, nor does he score too many points. What he does, however, on a game to game basis, is put a body on other big men. He does not them get rebounds and he plays them 1 v 1 very well. We also have to keeping mind that the guys sets picks and screens very well. He is in my view the ultimate team player because he does the fundamental things that need to be done. I think that he is going to be the starter for a pure chemistry reason. Screens need to be set, big men have to prevented from roaming around for shot blocks all the time (if Collins did not have his body on some people, the Nets would get a whole lot more of their own shots blocked), and some one needs to be in there who does not need to score. Sure, the Nets could use Traylor or M.Jackson for the same things, but those players are not better than Collins at what he does. Traylor would be my choice to replace Collins as a starter if he were four inches taller (from 6'8" to 7'0"). BTW, Henacy your post sounded as if the next person who will offer an opinion regarding Collins not as starter will be banned from the forums .
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting xpehbamxyu:</div><div class="quote_post">To elaborate the line up that I mentioned before (keeping in mind a lot of the things that Henacy mentioned); Collins has been very consistent in the last four years. He does not bring down a whole lot of boards, he does not block too many shots, nor does he score too many points. What he does, however, on a game to game basis, is put a body on other big men. He does not them get rebounds and he plays them 1 v 1 very well. We also have to keeping mind that the guys sets picks and screens very well. He is in my view the ultimate team player because he does the fundamental things that need to be done. I think that he is going to be the starter for a pure chemistry reason. Screens need to be set, big men have to prevented from roaming around for shot blocks all the time (if Collins did not have his body on some people, the Nets would get a whole lot more of their own shots blocked), and some one needs to be in there who does not need to score. Sure, the Nets could use Traylor or M.Jackson for the same things, but those players are not better than Collins at what he does. Traylor would be my choice to replace Collins as a starter if he were four inches taller (from 6'8" to 7'0"). BTW, Henacy your post sounded as if the next person who will offer an opinion regarding Collins not as starter will be banned from the forums .</div> Nah never that....I wouldnt abuse power like that...I respect everyone as members to ever try to pull a stunt like that. I just think that its time people stop focusing on the things that he doesnt do...and focus on what he does bring to the table. The scoring clearly will focus around our perimeter guys (ie. Carter and Jefferson), so I think the things that JC can do fairly well will come into play alot more like being a decent shooter in pick & pop situations from 12-15 feet. And his ablity to set screens will be a big part of what creates space for those two.
pg: Kidd sg: VC15 sf: RJ pf: Marc Jackson c: Jason Collins Scoring is there, but the defense will be better than last year with Jackson and collins in teh front court.
