c'mon y'all! all that acquisition don't seem to solve our dishing problem

we added a bunch of scorers, rebounders, and defenders, but no passers! a lot of people say defense is the thang that wins games, or that we need people who can shoot the lights out. But I always thought passing is the essence of the game of basketball, as well as many other sports, like soccer.

And obviously, we have not addressed this area of need this offseason. At this point, you have a hugely unselfish player in Yao Ming, a bunch of scorers like T Mac, Anderson, and James, great hustlers like Barry and Wesley, and stud rebounders/blockers like Swift and Deke. So, to string all this together, we are in dire need of a stockton, not an Iverson.

Look at the all the past championship teams, you always had great passers like Magic Johnson and Isaih Thomas, or you have tremedously selfless players who always look to pass the ball FIRST, like Jeff Fisher and John Paxon. Do we have one of these on the team?

In short, without a PLAYMAKER, we'll be a bunch of awesome individual players, or worse yet, YAO MING will become the playmaker. Damn he's gonna be tired.

 

You've summed up my thoughts here perfectly. I've vouched all a long for a playmaker on this team yet only a few have acceded to this opinion. If we get a pass first guard that can knock down open shots when needed. Getting a Stockton like player can open up the offense for us and make it run much more smoothly. However, these types of players don't exactly grow on trees so it would be hard getting one. With that said, I think you're overexaggerating a bit here. Last year, the playmakers we had were Sura and McGrady. However, with the addition of Andersen, who can play point guard duties, we now have three. That really isn't too bad for the team so I think we can cope with it for now. Besides, wait for the season to start to see if we really need one, there's plenty of teams that succeed without a playmaker.

 

If you didn't notice that in the playoffs tmac was driving in the lane and when the triple team coverage collapsed on him, he dished it to yao. Even tho yao dropped it many times, Tmac still dished it to him. I agree in the fact that we need a passer. Im also pretty confident that one more trade will happen sending 2 gaurds for either a back up SF or a PG.

btw im new

 

Miami, Detroit, and San Antonio..............3 of the best teams in the league with NO PURE point guard. If you haven't noticed, the league has changed in the last couple years. The John Stockton era is officially DEAD. We can go and get a so called "pure point guard" and watch Tony Parker, Chauncy Billups, or Dwayne Wade score 30 on them. I don't think a pure point is neccesary. If Detroit can win with they're guards, then so can we. What we need is a guard that can set up the offense, and hit open jumpers. That's it.

 

I kinda agree with Rock4Life......it would be nice to have a pure PG, but I think we can definitely work with what we got right now....hell the Lakers won 3 straight titles with Derek Fisher handling most of the PG duties.

 

I think if we had a "decent" passing PG, but whose a STUD on defense that would be great....I mean I don't think we need a super duper passing PG I think if we shut down opposing guards from driving into the lane people wouldn't score so much on us on the drive and dish also by having quick guards drawing fouls on Yao and our big men...

 

Can anyone name any PG's we can get via trade or signing? so we can all check out the possibilities

Only one comes to my mind:
rafer alston

 

Earl Watson....one of the many young PG's in Boston (ie Marcus Banks) i like Bank btw...good defender

 

Welcome to the forum TmacGarnett! You'll find it to be one of the finest of JBB.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Can anyone name any PG's we can get via trade or signing? so we can all check out the possibilities</div>
There's a lot. Watson, Banks, and Alston like the guys said above. Plus any point guard on a team looking to relieve cap space really like New Orleans with Speedy Claxton.

 

I believe Damon Jones is still availiable, though I once thought he was going to the Cavaliers...anyhow, Damon Jones can dish, drain the 3, and add more youth to the team. I admit that it would kinda be crowded in Clutch City, but it could be worth a try. How about getting rid of Wesley for Damon somehow...that would be awesome.

 

Damon Jones is a weak defender and just a one-dimensional shooter. He is a shooting guard in a point guard's body and I'd really be irky about giving up an expiring contract and possible starter in Wesley for Jones whose value only elevated because he was on a winning team last year.

I don't think getting a pure point guard is a necessity. As Rock4life has mentioned, the top teams in the league (Detroit, San Antonio, Miami) do not have passing point guards, yet they are the teams that are believed to have a chance of winning the championship. The days of the pure point guard are over. The only playmakers that I can think of off the top of my head are Steve Nash, Brevin Knight and Jason Kidd. It's just becoming rarer and rarer that you'll find a pure point guard so easily. Until we falter during the season because of the lack of a playmaker, I wouldn't be criticizing the team's moves so early.

 

thxs aznxballer

I would love a S&T for watson but i doubt memphis would want to help us.
A S&T with miami for damon jones is possible but we dont have anything to offer them that they dont allready have except draft picks.

a trade for alston is possible but very unlikely

 

I'm content with what we have now. Lets go with this..and if trades need to go down, they will. As for a passer, sorry to ruin your party..but, Sura..and Barry man.

 

i agree i dont think we lack in any position

tmac,james,yao,anderson will provide offense

swift,barry,wesley will provide defense

im just worried about the surplus of gaurds we have. I would be happy sending 1 away for a 2nd rounder

 

Don't worry about us not trading one. It will happen. Just telling you the truth.

 

a passer would be a plus but not needed. The only passer we really need is tmac when he gets doubled. I think that our offense should revolve around tmac. OUr point guard should just bring it up the floor and pass to tmac. Then tmac can do what he does best...create. honestly i can't think of anyone in the league that can handle this situation better than him. who needs a point guard when you already have the best point-forward?!?!

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">Miami, Detroit, and San Antonio..............3 of the best teams in the league with NO PURE point guard. If you haven't noticed, the league has changed in the last couple years. The John Stockton era is officially DEAD. We can go and get a so called "pure point guard" and watch Tony Parker, Chauncy Billups, or Dwayne Wade score 30 on them. I don't think a pure point is neccesary. If Detroit can win with they're guards, then so can we. What we need is a guard that can set up the offense, and hit open jumpers. That's it.</div>

I don't believe I mentioned the words PG anywhere in my discussion. All I said was we need a passer or a playmaker. This guy doesn't have to take the point, he could be the 2, 3, 4, or 5, but he has to control the flow of the game, which means spreading the ball around and getting it to the right person at the right time. This has to be his mentality first and foremost, NOT DASHING OR SCORING.
Look at San Antonio, Manu, Parker, Mohammed, Duncan, Horry, Bowen, all are incredibly unselfish players, even Detroit has a ton of them. The playmakers on those teams are Parker, Manu, and Billups, eventhough they're awesome individual scorers, they are all looking to pass first, I don't believe we have these type of guys right now. John Barry and Yao Ming are the most unselfish players on the team, but they're Not Playmakers! And forgive me for being so blunt, T-Mac looks to pass only as a last resort or when he thinks he can make a highlight reel dishing. James and Sura? These guys looked like they played power forwards in highschool, cuz they love to bury their head and ram into the crowd.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KfrumHTOWN!:</div><div class="quote_post">a passer would be a plus but not needed. The only passer we really need is tmac when he gets doubled. I think that our offense should revolve around tmac. OUr point guard should just bring it up the floor and pass to tmac. Then tmac can do what he does best...create. honestly i can't think of anyone in the league that can handle this situation better than him. who needs a point guard when you already have the best point-forward?!?!</div>

<strike>man, u crazy!</strike> give me a championship team that didn't have at least one awsome passer on the team, even that lakers team, jeff fisher was way underated as a playmaker. Face it, without a great passer, the Rockets ain't going anywhere in the playoffs no matter who they add. You can mark my words
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">the top teams in the league (Detroit, San Antonio, Miami) do not have passing point guards</div>

What? Do you watch any NBA games? You better rewind the 2005 NBA Finals tape! Billus, Parker, Ginobili, do these names ring any bells? They are not just awesome passing guards, they're PLAYMAKERS!!!

<font color="red">Personal attacks will not be tolerated. Also, use the 'edit' function if you have something you want to add to a post.~Trip</font>

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KfrumHTOWN!:</div><div class="quote_post">a passer would be a plus but not needed. The only passer we really need is tmac when he gets doubled. I think that our offense should revolve around tmac. OUr point guard should just bring it up the floor and pass to tmac. Then tmac can do what he does best...create. honestly i can't think of anyone in the league that can handle this situation better than him. who needs a point guard when you already have the best point-forward?!?!</div>

man, u crazy! give me a championship team that didn't have at least one awsome passer on the team, even that lakers team, jeff fisher was way underated as a playmaker. Face it, without a great passer, the Rockets ain't going anywhere in the playoffs no matter who they add. You can mark my words

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Trip:</div><div class="quote_post">the top teams in the league (Detroit, San Antonio, Miami) do not have passing point guards</div>

What? Do you watch any NBA games? You better rewind the 2005 NBA Finals tape! Billus, Parker, Ginobili, do these names ring any bells? They are not just awesome passing guards, they're PLAYMAKERS!!!