What good are records if the guy's a choker? At least Kelly wasn't a choker in AFC Championship games. Also Marino never really had a consistent running game - it's pretty sad when you have to resort to hyping up Cecil Collins.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'>What good are records if the guy's a choker? At least Kelly wasn't a choker in AFC Championship games. Also Marino never really had a consistent running game - it's pretty sad when you have to resort to hyping up Cecil Collins.</div> I can believe that any Bills fan would have the audacity to call any other player or team a choker. Didn't you guys learn anything from FOUR Super Bowl losses? I respect that Buffalo Bills team. They were a very good football team. They were NOT a Championship football team. I also have a lot of respect for Jim Kelly. He was a solid QB. However, Kelly was no Marino. He was lucky enough to have Thurman Thomas on his team. If the Bills had drafted Dan instead of Jim, they would have won one or more of those Super Bowls. Marino, Elway and Montana have more comeback victories than any other QBs in NFL history. How is that choking?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'>What good are records if the guy's a choker? At least Kelly wasn't a choker in AFC Championship games. Also Marino never really had a consistent running game - it's pretty sad when you have to resort to hyping up Cecil Collins.</div> Marino over Kelly anyday of the week in any life in any world on any planet. Ha and you call yourself not biased.
I agree with Porky. Marino was better than Kelly. Marino didnt get much help and you cant do it all him self. If he had a good defense and a RB then he could have won the SB
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'>What good are records if the guy's a choker? At least Kelly wasn't a choker in AFC Championship games. Also Marino never really had a consistent running game - it's pretty sad when you have to resort to hyping up Cecil Collins.</div> I can believe that any Bills fan would have the audacity to call any other player or team a choker. Didn't you guys learn anything from FOUR Super Bowl losses? I respect that Buffalo Bills team. They were a very good football team. They were NOT a Championship football team. I also have a lot of respect for Jim Kelly. He was a solid QB. However, Kelly was no Marino. He was lucky enough to have Thurman Thomas on his team. If the Bills had drafted Dan instead of Jim, they would have won one or more of those Super Bowls. Marino, Elway and Montana have more comeback victories than any other QBs in NFL history. How is that choking?</div> "If the Bills had drafted Dan instead of Jim, they would have won one or more of those Super Bowls." - if, woulda, coulda, shoulda, bla bla bla bla bla - in the end what matters - the W or the L - guess what who had a better record against the other between Jim Kelly and Dan Marino? I'll tell you, KELLY!!! You equate Buffalo with Choking, but guess what - we've got the first biggest comeback in NFL History, and the third biggest comeback in NFL histrory - yeah we've choked, but name one team that hasn't, choking is a loose term in the NFL - you could say that the Steelers choked in two of their AFC Championship games, you could say the Green Bay Packers choked against Denver in their Superbowl against eachother, you could say the Patriots choked against the Packers in their Superbowl and on and on - it's part of the game - that's why I hate it when people act like their teams $#!t doesn't stink from time to time - this will be inevitable in New England too and NFL history shows that it's not on their side at this point - Coaches do rip each other off and do eventually find ways to stop the top opposition in their division - see Gruden finally mastering the Broncos when he coached the Raiders. Why is it so farfetched that Buffalo or the Jets won't manage that this year of all years? IT'S NOT.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tko51)</div><div class='quotemain'>"If the Bills had drafted Dan instead of Jim, they would have won one or more of those Super Bowls." - if, woulda, coulda, shoulda, bla bla bla bla bla - in the end what matters - the W or the L - guess what who had a better record against the other between Jim Kelly and Dan Marino? I'll tell you, KELLY!!! You equate Buffalo with Choking, but guess what - we've got the first biggest comeback in NFL History, and the third biggest comeback in NFL histrory - yeah we've choked, but name one team that hasn't, choking is a loose term in the NFL - you could say that the Steelers choked in two of their AFC Championship games, you could say the Green Bay Packers choked against Denver in their Superbowl against eachother, you could say the Patriots choked against the Packers in their Superbowl and on and on - it's part of the game - that's why I hate it when people act like their teams $#!t doesn't stink from time to time - this will be inevitable in New England too and NFL history shows that it's not on their side at this point - Coaches do rip each other off and do eventually find ways to stop the top opposition in their division - see Gruden finally mastering the Broncos when he coached the Raiders. Why is it so farfetched that Buffalo or the Jets won't manage that this year of all years? IT'S NOT.</div> YOU brought up choking. I didn't. I don't think that losing a game means that a team or player has choked. I am saying, however, that after FOUR Super Bowl losses Bills fans would be more careful about calling other teams and players chokers. By the way, while the Dolphins and Bills play twice a year, I don't ever recall, with the exception of the QB Challange, ever seeing Marino and Kelly compete in any type of man-to-man competition. In fact, with the possible exception of a coin flip, I don't think I've ever seen them on the field at the same time. I will even concede that during the Bills' Super Bowl runs that they had a better team than the Dolphins. I would remind you that the Dolphins lead the series against the Bills 49 - 32. The Bills would need to sweep the Dolphins for the next FOURTEEN years in order to pass the Dolphins. You say that I don't think the Dolphins stink from time to time? Sure, I do. In thirty years as a Dolphin fan, this past year has been the most difficult to stomach, but I've been very vocal about what was wrong with the Dolphins and how they needed to fix it. Now, it looks like we're headed back in the right direction, but you don't see every post coming from me being written while wearing aqua and orange colored glasses. I've said it before and I guess I need to say it again. Other than my George Clooney-esqe good looks, rapier wit and unmatched literary acuity, my most prominent attribute is my uncanny ability to extricate the TRUTH from the deluge of hype that permeates these threads. Webster's wanted to put my picture next to the word objectivity in their next edition, but we couldn't come to terms on royalty compensation. However, I don't fault you for not being able to recognize an objective poster. It takes one to know one. "If, woulda, coulda, shoulda, bla bla bla bla bla." I guess you now know how I feel whenever I read a post with your icon beside it. DolfanDale's Trivia Question of the Day - Do you know the name of the QB that lead the Bills to the greatest comeback in NFL History? A. Frank Reich B. Jim Kelly C. J.P. Losman D. Gil Bellows
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>DolfanDale's Trivia Question of the Day - Do you know the name of the QB that lead the Bills to the greatest comeback in NFL History? A. Frank Reich B. Jim Kelly C. J.P. Losman D. Gil Bellows</div> I know! I know! Pick me! (Think Oilers)
I don't know how we can even look for a debate as to whether Jim Kelly is better than Marino. What sort of question is this? I appreciate your hometeam cheer and fervor, but there are some losing battles. This is one of them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cowboy71)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>DolfanDale's Trivia Question of the Day - Do you know the name of the QB that lead the Bills to the greatest comeback in NFL History? A. Frank Reich B. Jim Kelly C. J.P. Losman D. Gil Bellows</div> I know! I know! Pick me! (Think Oilers)</div> C'mon, Cowboy71! I know Warren Moon didn't have a great second half, but he isn't one of the options. Leave him alone.
