<div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post">That is my point! He never won in Orlando like Ray has in Seattle.</div> Ray Allen has had one playoff season in Seattle, and it has been with the help of Rashard Lewis and Luke Ridnour. In Orlando, Tracy McGrady had three playoff seasons, often times with the next best player on the team being Mike Miller or Darrell Armstrong. So if anything, McGrady has been more successfully recently than Allen.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post">That is my point! He never won in Orlando like Ray has in Seattle.</div> What the hell? T-Mac made it to the playoffs for 3 straight seasons, and Ray made it to the second round once. Not only that, but he had a talented young PG, and an All-Star by his side.
^Agreed. Ray has not been that successful, and when he has it's because he has other good players around him. Milwaukee-Big dog, Cassell Seattle-Lewis,Daniels, Ridnour, etc. Allen, as a primary shooter like Redd, does not have the type of game to carry a team like TMac and Kobe.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post">That is my point! He never won in Orlando like Ray has in Seattle.</div> Ray the only star in Seattle? wtf? Reshard Lewis has always been a good performer, and Daniels and Ridnour have done extremely well at the point. Not to mention the rebound machines, Evans and Fortson. Last year's sonics was not just a one man team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dakeem1:</div><div class="quote_post">Ray the only star in Seattle? wtf? Reshard Lewis has always been a good performer, and Daniels and Ridnour have done extremely well at the point. Not to mention the rebound machines, Evans and Fortson. Last year's sonics was not just a one man team.</div> Ray Ray got the Sonics further then T-Mac ever did with the Magic. Orlando was never a legit title contender as the Sonics were last season. Remember all of Tracy's guarantees? He had serious trouble getting that team out of the first round. Also while T-Mac performed well with the Rockets this season in the playoffs Allen played better this year then McGrady ever has in the playoffs. He was clutch and a true team leader against the Spurs even though he could not get it done. They probably played better then anyone in the West against the Spurs. While Lewis is a very good player he does not carry the team. Without Ray Allen the Sonics are probably not a .500 team. Yes he carries the team and is the Star. No they were not a one man team they had many nice pieces Fortson, Ridnour, Evans, Flip, Vladdy but Ray Allen was the unquestionable leader of the club.
Orlando never had good players like Seattle did last season. Tmac's best teammates in Orlando: Darrell Armstrong Mike Miller Drew Gooden, no comparison at all.....
There is no way that Ray Allen is better than Tracy Mcgrady. This is the first year that T Mac has some good players around him. Ray has definately not been up to the level that T Mac has.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post">Also while T-Mac performed well with the Rockets this season in the playoffs Allen played better this year then McGrady ever has in the playoffs</div> Let's not be ridicolous now............Ray Allen isn't no Tmac.
