<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, he's only two points and three rebounds away from getting that. But the main reason he's logging these kinds of minutes isn't because of his conditioning but rather because of foul trouble. However, with Swift, a good shotblocker, helping him out down low, Yao shouldn't have too much trouble with stupid fouls. Plus, we've got a slightly faster defender in Andersen instead of Wesley, so guards won't be able to just drive by and get Yao to pick up fouls.</div><font color="navy">Correction: Yao's 2004-2005 stat> PPG: 18.3; RPG: 8.4; BPG: 2.0.</font> <font color="navy">So, Yao is only 1.7 pts and 1.6 rebounds away from getting 20/10.</font> <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shootingmachine:</div><div class="quote_post">Yao is not all that ye are making him out to be, period. 1)He is a presence in the paint, but a presence that gets a vicious dunk down his throat every game 2)Most superstars attract players to play alongside them 3)I agree with u 100% on that, but why bring Miller into this, it has nothing to do with him, I'd like to see Yao (big soft) hustle and dive for loose balls 4)Its disrespectful to dunk on somebody in every country, period 5)Along with tmac 6)He is big, but very soft, is on the end of a vicious dunk nearly every game 7)I'm sure you could get some very nice young pieces to compliment T-mac, and instantly ye are a contender Its all opinions baby, don't be trippin, I'm just not a big fan of Yao, although I would trade him for Miller anyday.</div><font color="navy">Thanks for your opinion but it is not accepted. You can save your opinion for your own team. Let say we agreed to disagree.</font>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shootingmachine:</div><div class="quote_post">Yao is not all that ye are making him out to be, period. 1)He is a presence in the paint, but a presence that gets a vicious dunk down his throat every game 2)Most superstars attract players to play alongside them 3)I agree with u 100% on that, but why bring Miller into this, it has nothing to do with him, I'd like to see Yao (big soft) hustle and dive for loose balls 4)Its disrespectful to dunk on somebody in every country, period 5)Along with tmac 6)He is big, but very soft, is on the end of a vicious dunk nearly every game 7)I'm sure you could get some very nice young pieces to compliment T-mac, and instantly ye are a contender Its all opinions baby, don't be trippin, I'm just not a big fan of Yao, although I would trade him for Miller anyday.</div><font color="navy">Thanks for your opinion but it is not accepted. You can save your opinion for your own team. Let say we agreed to disagree.</font>
There will always be a Yao-hater out there. Only a true basketball idiot would ever suggest trading Yao Ming away. I mean seriously, trading away an improving, 2nd best true center in the league? Trading away a 1 billion market in China? Trading away the person that attracted Tmac and Swift? If Houston wins a championship within 5-8 years, Yao would have alot to do with it. People WANT to play with Yao. People build a winning team and a dynasty around a big man like TD, Shaq, and yes, Yao. Yeah real smart idea trading him away there. Now, on to a more valid and less retarded issue, I would give ourselves a B+ for the offseason. We've plugged our biggest hole in the PF position and added a very capable player in D.A. More importantly, we got these players relatively cheap. In my opinion, Swift is a much better complement to Yao than any other PF especially Shareef. SAR plays exactly like Juwan Howard and we don't need that. The biggest issue we had last year was that we're not tough and athletic enough on defense. Swift pretty much covered those issues, DA is still marginally athletic, and Head's a defensive stud. We also managed to keep some important pieces from last year: Mutombo and Barry. Last but not least, we solidified our franchise for the next half a decade by extending Yao till 2011 (go away Lakers). Now the only gripe I had is that we don't have a really good bench yet, and I still don't know how to make out of the draft pick in Luther Head. We have a surplus in guards, but my feeling is that JVG will try to use Head as a defensive specialist, which can turn out to be an awesome situation for us. All in all, I'd say a very sound and definitely above average off-season for us.
Listen, I'm not tryin to annoy anyone, and whats with all the hatin? I'm certainly not a Yao hater, he is a great player, but are ye saying ye wouldn't trade him for Amare? Thats just stupid. He is a bit on the soft side and I want to see him improve that. Also, why are people sayin keep your opinions for the Kings forum, this is a site that allows all opinions, and it is all opinions, no matter what ye say, ye won't trade Yao so why get so worked up about what i say? Oh yeah, my opinion was accepted, like everyone elses, so don't be getting annoyed just because u don't like my opinion. And I can honestly say, I haven't watched Sportscenter once in my life, its not possible because it is not broadcast where I am.
Why should we trade Yao if he's already a great player? How many great players do we have in the NBA? Especially someone who is a top 20 player and one of the top 5 future talents? There are only maybe 10 MVP-calibre players, and we're content that Yao might never be one of them. Which center could we get who could bring us as much popularity, and still put up numbers better than 18/8/2? I think I speak for all Rockets posters when I say that we respect you as a poster and person, but we are willing to defend our ideals when someone challenges us. This site is for broadcasting your own opinions. I applaud you for doing that, but it's reasonable that some people who do not share your beliefs would try to criticize your thought. Nothing personal against you.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shootingmachine:</div><div class="quote_post">Listen, I'm not tryin to annoy anyone, and whats with all the hatin? I'm certainly not a Yao hater, he is a great player, but are ye saying ye wouldn't trade him for Amare? Thats just stupid. He is a bit on the soft side and I want to see him improve that. Also, why are people sayin keep your opinions for the Kings forum, this is a site that allows all opinions, and it is all opinions, no matter what ye say, ye won't trade Yao so why get so worked up about what i say? Oh yeah, my opinion was accepted, like everyone elses, so don't be getting annoyed just because u don't like my opinion. And I can honestly say, I haven't watched Sportscenter once in my life, its not possible because it is not broadcast where I am.</div> We respect your opinion...................but you can't say something like that without having a legit explanation. You just made some interesting comments without really explaining yourself.
I can honestly say that I would not trade Yao for Amare...Amare can dunk nicely and rebound well, and block shots on occassion...Yao can pass, shoot, block shots, and rebound, and just has a more polished game than Amare, IMO... anyway, I would rate the Rockets offseason an A-...we addressed our needs of speed, height, and depth...we signed Swift and Anderson, and re-signed Barry, Mutombo, and Bowen...what else do we need?...this has been the Rockets' best offseason in quite some time...
i can honestly say that after weighing all the other big men in the leauge i would not trade yao for anyone other that shaq. And that is only if we could get shaq AND another big man. Shaq only has a few years left. Amare is good but he will never be at the level yao has the potential to be. At best Amare is going to be a great all star type player. Teams will not have to change their strategy to guard him like what teams are forced to do against Yao. Even big ben is a liability on offense. He can hit some shots but if your offense is based on him, your done for. TD or KG would be nice but they are tall PF's that will have a tough time hanging with big centers. whose left?! brad miller ?! Eric dampier?! big wastes of time and money!! I look at it like this. Yao will get scored on by any of the players i have mentioned if he gets in a one on one situation with them but these players will get OWNED by Yao if they have to play him one on one. The rockets get a B+ in their offseason. we did address our lathargic backcourt but we still don't have the PG that we need. It was a very good offseason and if anything needs to be tweaked in the regular season we have players to drop if needed.
I wouldn't trade Yao for Amare, period. Centers are way more important in the NBA then power forwards are, and that is what Amare is, no matter where his coach decides to play him. The league is filled with great power forwards; i.e. KG, Amare, and Jermaine O'neal but history has shown the building blocks for champions starts with the center. And look at the head to head matchups between the two, Yao wins. And this is just on floor. Beyond the court Yao does far more for his fans, people, and his nation. He is also one of the few players in the league that is definately a role model and dare I say an Idol?
Wow. First off, I know a lot of you aren't going to agree with me here, but I think at this point, Amare has more value than Yao. Here me out first and don't be thinking I've switched gears as a Rockets fan. Although I think both of them are around the same level, I think Stoudamire just is a better all around player and has more upside right now. He's got more potential than Yao, which is ridiculous because of the stats the he's put up last year. Although in large part this was due to Nash, you also need to realize that Yao has had McGrady as well. He's definitely shown that he can hang with the centers last year. For those of you that have said players will get owned by Yao if you play him one on one, the same concept goes for Amare. He can blow by the majority of the centers in the league as well as hit jumpers. The only aspect skillwise that Yao has on Amare is rebounding and shooting. I guess it all depends on what type of system you want implemented. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And this is just on floor. Beyond the court Yao does far more for his fans, people, and his nation. He is also one of the few players in the league that is definately a role model and dare I say an Idol?</div> Why the heck does that matter? The on the court stuff is where everything goes down. Anyways, now that I've got that off my chest, I'm just going to blow off everything that I just said and say that no trade of this sort is likely going down. When you've got two players around the same calibur, teams are pretty reluctant to pull the trigger. We're happy with Yao, Phoenix is happy with Amare, enough said.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting side45wayz:</div><div class="quote_post">I wouldn't trade Yao for Amare, period. Centers are way more important in the NBA then power forwards are, and that is what Amare is, no matter where his coach decides to play him. The league is filled with great power forwards; i.e. KG, Amare, and Jermaine O'neal but history has shown the building blocks for champions starts with the center. And look at the head to head matchups between the two, Yao wins. And this is just on floor. Beyond the court Yao does far more for his fans, people, and his nation. He is also one of the few players in the league that is definately a role model and dare I say an Idol?</div> speaking of j o neal he can play PF and C and has better stats but as for the idol thing ur ryte on target and the fan thing
I agree with KfrumHTOWN. Yao has the most potential in him. He is capable of becoming the next great center and most dominant player in the game. Whether he can live up to that, only time will tell. Right now amare is better than him, in basically every aspect of the game, but i think amare seems to have reached his potential while yao will be taking big steps the next few years.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Wow. First off, I know a lot of you aren't going to agree with me here, but I think at this point, Amare has more value than Yao. Here me out first and don't be thinking I've switched gears as a Rockets fan. Although I think both of them are around the same level, I think Stoudamire just is a better all around player and has more upside right now. He's got more potential than Yao, which is ridiculous because of the stats the he's put up last year. Although in large part this was due to Nash, you also need to realize that Yao has had McGrady as well. He's definitely shown that he can hang with the centers last year. For those of you that have said players will get owned by Yao if you play him one on one, the same concept goes for Amare. He can blow by the majority of the centers in the league as well as hit jumpers. The only aspect skillwise that Yao has on Amare is rebounding and shooting. I guess it all depends on what type of system you want implemented. Why the heck does that matter? The on the court stuff is where everything goes down. Anyways, now that I've got that off my chest, I'm just going to blow off everything that I just said and say that no trade of this sort is likely going down. When you've got two players around the same calibur, teams are pretty reluctant to pull the trigger. We're happy with Yao, Phoenix is happy with Amare, enough said.</div> Wow. First of all, nobody has more potential then Yao, but there in lies the problem; potential is not always realized. Yao's upside far outweighs Amare's, but as of now Amare is putting up better numbers. Skillwize Amare has the upper hand on rebounding, the only aspect of his game that needs improving is his shot. However, Amare's game is based on pure athleticism, while Yao's is skill. Amare is running out of steps to climb while Yao is just getting on the ladder. And yes, he does need Nash inorder to fulfill his potential, while Yao just needs the ball. And you cannot compare the best pure passer and assist man in the league to a shoot first small forward. Nash and McGrady are far to different. Why does all the off-court stuff matter? Really? Come on buddy. It does matter when teams are talking trade, and revenue generated. But yes, there is less than a 0% chance that the two would be traded for one another so its best to just leave that alone.
Its hard to say who has more potentials. I hate Amare more than the next man, but you gotta be real. Those who say Amare has reached his peak is fooling themselves because skills can be learned, while athleticism can't. He already showed the willingness to improve in offseasons by adding jumpshots to his arsenal. If he can add some low post moves and commit to learning how to defend, he definitely will be a lot better than he is now. Remember Hakeem depended on athleticism his first few season and added new skills through the years in the NBA. Not saying Amare will reach Hakeem's level ever, especially on the D, but he certainly can and will improve. If his game depended solely on his hops and quickness, well he still has 10 years barring injury before his body slows down. Right now though his ppg stat does not necessarily reflect how much better he is at scoring than Yao. He has Nash, a high scoring system which asks little of him on the defensive end, he plays more minutes, and he rarely passes once he has the ball. Amare does not have better overall skills as argued. He is not a better rebounder, is just as turnover prone and foul prone, and plays little man or team defense. If he is indeed a center than he has failed his role miserably, as one of the center's main role is defending the post. Yao on the otherhand is already unstoppable with the ball. He just need to improve his handles and positioning. If he does that and polishes his post game just a bit, he will no doubt be HOF material.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shootingmachine:</div><div class="quote_post">Listen, I'm not tryin to annoy anyone, and whats with all the hatin? I'm certainly not a Yao hater, he is a great player, but are ye saying ye wouldn't trade him for Amare? Thats just stupid. He is a bit on the soft side and I want to see him improve that. Also, why are people sayin keep your opinions for the Kings forum, this is a site that allows all opinions, and it is all opinions, no matter what ye say, ye won't trade Yao so why get so worked up about what i say? Oh yeah, my opinion was accepted, like everyone elses, so don't be getting annoyed just because u don't like my opinion. And I can honestly say, I haven't watched Sportscenter once in my life, its not possible because it is not broadcast where I am.</div> Firstly stop talking like that this isn't a damn Shakespere play. Nobody cares about your opinion because your an anti and a bandwagoner not to mention "ye" contradicted yeself by calling him a scrub then calling him a great player. And no i wouldn't trade him for Bumare so please go back to the kings forum if you nothing intelligent to say.
I hate to go off topic here, but if this thread has turned into an Amare vs. Yao debate, then I'd say that Amare is and will be the better player than Yao. Yao's potential is not as much as we'd like to think, and especially considering the fact that Stoudemire is just 21, his future might be brighter than Yao's. Even as an undersized power forward last year, Amare was able to be a MVP-candidate and his freakish athleticism was fun to watch. Even without a dominant post move, Stoudemire was able to average 25 points per game. Just wait till he gains some solid back-to-the-basket moves and a consistent jumper. He's quicker than most power forwards and has the ability to outpower quicker fours. I'm not saying that Yao will suck. He will definitely be an All-Star throughout his career, and that alone might be his ticket to the Hall of Fame. Once he works on his conditioning and quickness, and adds some ferocity to his game, he will be a 25/12 guy.
people tend to overrate Amare because of the all important PPG stat. You would think with a MVP and a MVP candidate, along with 2 other max players in JJ and the matrix and potential all-star in Q, that they would fare alittle better against the Spurs. Afterall the Pistons did take them to the final quarter. Will the Suns of last year was the ESPN fantasy...all flash w/o the substance to back it up. I don't care how much Amare improves on his offensive game. If he doesn't improve his D, there's no way he should ever be consider a MVP candidate. A MVP candidate cannot be one of the weakest links on your team...which why I thought last years MVP was a load of crap. I can name 20 players I'd take over Nash to start a team, Yao included.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Wow. First of all, nobody has more potential then Yao, but there in lies the problem; potential is not always realized. Yao's upside far outweighs Amare's, but as of now Amare is putting up better numbers. Skillwize Amare has the upper hand on rebounding, the only aspect of his game that needs improving is his shot. However, Amare's game is based on pure athleticism, while Yao's is skill. Amare is running out of steps to climb while Yao is just getting on the ladder. And yes, he does need Nash inorder to fulfill his potential, while Yao just needs the ball. And you cannot compare the best pure passer and assist man in the league to a shoot first small forward. Nash and McGrady are far to different. Why does all the off-court stuff matter? Really? Come on buddy. It does matter when teams are talking trade, and revenue generated. But yes, there is less than a 0% chance that the two would be traded for one another so its best to just leave that alone.</div> Nobody? Not even Lebron? I feel that a lot of you guys are overwhelmed with bias here. I don't understand how you can say Yao has so much more upside than Amare. Are you basing that on the fact that he's the 7-6 giant? Like you said, Amare got this far with athleticism alone, and has barely tapped into his potential so far without using any skill. Think about it, if Amare keeps improving like he did last offseason by adding more handles and low post moves, he'll be a beast on both sides of the court. He's 21 or 22 ish, so if anything, he hasn't even gotten to the ladder yet so to speak. Last season, even when Nash was out, Amare did fairly well so I don't know what you're talking about when you say he relies on Nash. I was simply saying that both of the guys were playing around great players and people that can create plays for them. My fault I guess if you misunderstood it. I don't see how off court stuff effects trades and stuff when you talk about players of this calibur. Look at it this way, if Lebron had a horrible attitude and had a lot of off court problems, I'm sure teams still would be more than willing to make a deal for him. I think the same goes for Amare. I'm out, this has gotten way too offtopic for this thread.
i personally think amare got the ball more than he did the year before and had players around him that made him better. yao doesnt get the ball nearly enough and fouls alot so doesnt get enough minutes i know people are gonna argue tmac gives the ball to yao but your wrong i watched every game of the rockets and tmac maybe dished it out to yao twice per game and that was on pick and roll (during playoffs maybe 3 -4 times per game and thats y yao's playoff numbers are 21.4 as points) sura doesnt give the ball to yao and that is gonna change this year
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TmacGarnett:</div><div class="quote_post">i personally think amare got the ball more than he did the year before and had players around him that made him better. yao doesnt get the ball nearly enough and fouls alot so doesnt get enough minutes i know people are gonna argue tmac gives the ball to yao but your wrong i watched every game of the rockets and tmac maybe dished it out to yao twice per game and that was on pick and roll (during playoffs maybe 3 -4 times per game and thats y yao's playoff numbers are 21.4 as points) sura doesnt give the ball to yao and that is gonna change this year</div> How will it change when both players are still here and will still be starting? Besides that, we're also getting two more scorers, which would only take away from Yao. If anything, I can see Yao's points per game average actually go down to about 17 this year, although he'll have more rebounds. TMac and Sura did great jobs getting Yao the ball last year and Yao has no one to blame but himself. He couldn't hit that mid-range shot he was hitting so consistently in his first two seasons, and his own foul trouble kept him off the court. Our defensive rotation last year was a factor in that too, but had Yao been wiser about when to take charges or when to block shots, I guarantee that he would have played 32 minutes per.
