<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">So.........he's a scorer. He's still inconsistent. He still needs near 30 shots to get 30 pts a game. The only thing consistent about Iverson is his shooting % will always be near the worst in the league, and he'll always lead the league in shot attempts. There are people his size in the league that shoot better. So his size has nothing to do with him throwin up bricks. Now that's garbage. Exactly my point........You would think that he wouldn't be forcing up so many stupid shots, but nobody, not the players or the coach can stop AI from getting his 25-35 shots a game. Definitley the most inconsistent player in the league</div> Dude, Allen Iverson carries that team. Who cares if he misses 30 and only makes one basket. If he scores 28 from the Free-throw line, he's still consistent. He might not be consistently hitting his shots, but he definitely knows how to score. Yao has been inconsistent. Some days like against Amare, he has a 20-20 game, others against Loren Woods he scores 13. Why? I am not hating on Yao, but you cannot seriously call Allen Iverson inconsistent. BTW, wouldn't this be a great ATF topic?
haha you guys are forgetting someone; Gerald Wallace! Some nights he seems as if he is an allstar while other nights he plays as if a player out of the NBDL another person i think can be considered inconsistent would be; Caron Butler.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting magnomonkey:</div><div class="quote_post">Dude, Allen Iverson carries that team. Who cares if he misses 30 and only makes one basket. If he scores 28 from the Free-throw line, he's still consistent. He might not be consistently hitting his shots, but he definitely knows how to score. Yao has been inconsistent. Some days like against Amare, he has a 20-20 game, others against Loren Woods he scores 13. Why? I am not hating on Yao, but you cannot seriously call Allen Iverson inconsistent. BTW, wouldn't this be a great ATF topic?</div> WOW. You obviously base inconsitency on the amout of points you get. I base it off of the FG%. Some times shyt happens. Im going to stop comparing YAO to AI, because that is pretty f**king irrelevant. Here is my post, just 2 posts before your post. "Yao AINT inconsisntent. You are wrong * if you think he is. Flat out. One day he gets 16 touches and scores 20, the next day he only gets 8 touches and scores 10. Is that inconsistent? NO, if we could get the ball to Yao more often THEN HELL YEA HE WUD SCORE ALOT MORE. But Teams make an effort to make sure Yao doesnt get the ball." That answers your brave attempt to call YAO inconsistent and get away with it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> WOW. You obviously base inconsitency on the amout of points you get. I base it off of the FG%. Some times shyt happens. Im going to stop comparing YAO to AI, because that is pretty f**king irrelevant. Here is my post, just 2 posts before your post. "Yao AINT inconsisntent. You are wrong * if you think he is. Flat out. One day he gets 16 touches and scores 20, the next day he only gets 8 touches and scores 10. Is that inconsistent? NO, if we could get the ball to Yao more often THEN HELL YEA HE WUD SCORE ALOT MORE. But Teams make an effort to make sure Yao doesnt get the ball." That answers your brave attempt to call YAO inconsistent and get away with it.</div> I guess I'll be the token Iverson fan on this one. Magnomonkey never said anything about basing inconsistency off the points you get. He based it off the fact that Iverson can consistently get those points off the free throw line. Thats how he plays, he drives into the paint night in and night out and racks up those points regardless of whether or not his shot is on. Some nights, he may be hot from three, but if his shot isn't falling, he'll still be getting points from the free throw line. The reason why Yao can be considered inconsistent is because of his foul trouble. Whats the reason why he doesn't get the same amount of touches a night? Because he makes stupid fouls. Now, thats debatable whether or not you think thats inconsistency. Oh, and even if he can't get touches, why can't Yao grab rebounds consistently? It can be attributed to the minutes, but shouldn't he be able to grab at least eight rebounds a night? Some times he maybe grab five while others he gets like fifteen.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">I guess I'll be the token Iverson fan on this one. Magnomonkey never said anything about basing inconsistency off the points you get. He based it off the fact that Iverson can consistently get those points off the free throw line. Thats how he plays, he drives into the paint night in and night out and racks up those points regardless of whether or not his shot is on.</div> His shot is almost NEVER on. Let's be realistic here. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post"> Some nights, he may be hot from three, but if his shot isn't falling, he'll still be getting points from the free throw line. The reason why Yao can be considered inconsistent is because of his foul trouble. Whats the reason why he doesn't get the same amount of touches a night? Because he makes stupid fouls. Now, thats debatable whether or not you think thats inconsistency..</div> Yao can be considered inconsistent, that's fair. But AI is on a whole different level. The guy jacks up shots not caring if he makes it or not. Then when he misses 10 in a row, he looks to the officials to bail him out.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">His shot is almost NEVER on. Let's be realistic here. </div> Okay, fair enough. But lets take a look at the month of March here. During that span, he shot .474, .429, .548, .300, .429, .458, .533, .545, .556, .455. The hell are you talking about? Out of those days I'd say only three of them has he been shooting poorly. Lets be realistic here. Never? Such a negative connotation. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yao can be considered inconsistent, that's fair. But AI is on a whole different level. The guy jacks up shots not caring if he makes it or not. Then when he misses 10 in a row, he looks to the officials to bail him out. </div> Yeah, but like I stated before, he gets them from the line. For every shot he misses, he'll probably be getting four free throws. And most likely, the official will be calling a foul. Plus, he's fairly efficient from the line, which makes him pretty consistent.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Okay, fair enough. But lets take a look at the month of March here. During that span, he shot .474, .429, .548, .300, .429, .458, .533, .545, .556, .455. The hell are you talking about? Out of those days I'd say only three of them has he been shooting poorly. Lets be realistic here. Never? Such a negative connotation.</div> Okay he shot decent in March. What's worse is you can only pull up one lousy month to make your case. What about the WHOLE SEASON. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post"> Yeah, but like I stated before, he gets them from the line. For every shot he misses, he'll probably be getting four free throws. And most likely, the official will be calling a foul. Plus, he's fairly efficient from the line, which makes him pretty consistent.</div> Pretty consistent foul shooter is what you mean. But for every one of the 15-20 shots he misses a game, his teammates ain't touching the rock. Ultimatley, it's hurting the Sixers. If he's going to shoot that poorly, it's time he starts cutting down on his shots. Let's be honest, we see AI put up some HORRIFIC shots and say "well that's AI, he can do that". I say NO. Pass the damn ball and let somebody else take better percentage shot. Note:this doesn't necessarily mean assist. It means distributing the ball.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post"> Okay he shot decent in March. What's worse is you can only pull up one lousy month to make your case. What about the WHOLE SEASON.</div> Its worse that I can only pull up one lousy month compared to shooting decently in March? Learn the meaning of phrases before using them. If you're talking about shooting percentage wise, of course Iverson has nothing to boast about. However, he puts up similar percentages from game to game even if he's shooting something like .410 percent. You can expect a solid twenty five points from him on probably .410 percent every night. So thats not really inconsistency. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Pretty consistent foul shooter is what you mean. But for every one of the 15-20 shots he misses a game, his teammates ain't touching the rock. Ultimatley, it's hurting the Sixers. If he's going to shoot that poorly, it's time he starts cutting down on his shots. Let's be honest, we see AI put up some HORRIFIC shots and say "well that's AI, he can do that". I say NO. Pass the damn ball and let somebody else take better percentage shot. Note:this doesn't necessarily mean assist. It means distributing the ball. </div> Okay, who on the Sixers is much better than Iverson? Webber was playing out of sync for the most part during his time with the Sixers. Korver is strictly a good shooter, and really can't create his own shot or get open. Iguodala isn't that great at creating a shot either and his shot although is underrated, isn't anything to write home about. And lastly, Dalembert really has no jumpshot and gets most of his points from put backs or catches in the paint. And why is consistency related to this? We're debating about pure consistency or inconsistency. Leave the Sixers record out of this. I don't care if he takes some "horrific" shots because that has nothing to do with consistency. Consistency is showing that you can put up the similar stats from game to game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Its worse that I can only pull up one lousy month compared to shooting decently in March? Learn the meaning of phrases before using them. .</div> Thanks, but you can't teach me anything. It's called a type-o. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post"> If you're talking about shooting percentage wise, of course Iverson has nothing to boast about. However, he puts up similar percentages from game to game even if he's shooting something like .410 percent. You can expect a solid twenty five points from him on probably .410 percent every night. So thats not really inconsistency..</div> Why isn't it, he doesn't make alot of his shots. Thats inconsistent. Just because he's Allen Iverson doesn't mean we should give him a pass. Any guy can go out and score 30pts a game. Given the freedom Iverson has, Steve Francis can got out do the same thing. Stephon Marbury can do the same thing. The point is, these guys don't jack up shots at the rate AI does (plus they're coach will take them out). Since Larry Brown left, AI has been given a free pass to shoot whenever he feels like it. That's why the Sixers will be battling mediocroty for awhile. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post"> Okay, who on the Sixers is much better than Iverson? Webber was playing out of sync for the most part during his time with the Sixers. Korver is strictly a good shooter, and really can't create his own shot or get open. Iguodala isn't that great at creating a shot either and his shot although is underrated, isn't anything to write home about. And lastly, Dalembert really has no jumpshot and gets most of his points from put backs or catches in the paint. And why is consistency related to this? We're debating about pure consistency or inconsistency. Leave the Sixers record out of this. I don't care if he takes some "horrific" shots because that has nothing to do with consistency. Consistency is showing that you can put up the similar stats from game to game.</div> I'm going strictly by the numbers here. Iverson's percentages have always been terrible since his rookie year. If you go by points, I guess he's consistent. But if you go by percentage and shot attempts, he's one of the most inconsistent players EVER. Overrall it's hurting the Sixers. The fans love Iverson, but eventually they'll see what I'm saying. Don't expect Maurice Cheeks to be there very long. He's goin to give AI the greenlight, and like most of the Sixers coaches, instead of trade Iverson, they'll blame him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">The point is, these guys don't jack up shots at the rate AI does (plus they're coach will take them out). Since Larry Brown left, AI has been given a free pass to shoot whenever he feels like it. That's why the Sixers will be battling mediocroty for awhile. </div> What are you talking about!!! Allen Iverson had the same scoring, and FG% averages when Larry Brown was around vs. when Larry Brown wasn't. Look it up. Anyway, Iverson is consistent, because he gets to the free throw line 10 times a game and hits 83% of them. I would say Peja is much more streaky, he can have 7 pts, then 28 points the next night.
[quote name='Rock4life']His shot is almost NEVER on. Let's be realistic here. yo man.....u should be banned for life for such foolish comments u reckon his shot is never on and he misses 15-20 shots a game 4 scoring titles and 30 point average means unless uri geller is mindbending the ball in i`d say he was quite adept at shooting
Rock4life - Not anyone can go out and give you 30 points in a night. I dont think you understand that. The game is more than just standing there and then shoot it. AI is a great athlete and thats where he gets his points from, when you get double and triple teamed, not everyone, especially someone 6 ft, can put up 30 points a game.
lol allen iverson is one of the people i thought would never be mentioned in this thread. let me just remind you or repeat what someone else may have allready said: ANYONE THAT HAS WON A SCORING TITLE IS NOT INCONSISTENT
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting igotask8board:</div><div class="quote_post">WOW. You obviously base inconsitency on the amout of points you get. I base it off of the FG%. Some times shyt happens. Im going to stop comparing YAO to AI, because that is pretty f**king irrelevant. Here is my post, just 2 posts before your post. "Yao AINT inconsisntent. You are wrong * if you think he is. Flat out. One day he gets 16 touches and scores 20, the next day he only gets 8 touches and scores 10. Is that inconsistent? NO, if we could get the ball to Yao more often THEN HELL YEA HE WUD SCORE ALOT MORE. But Teams make an effort to make sure Yao doesnt get the ball." That answers your brave attempt to call YAO inconsistent and get away with it.</div> Bad arguement! Great players want and demand the basketball. I find it hard to believe that teams can stop Yao Ming from getting the basketball. How does that work? Because I would like to see other teams use that formula on DOMINANT big men like TD, KG, Shaq, Amare, JO, and others. These guys all find a way to average over 20 ppg, don't you think teams are more concerned with denying these dominant big men the rock?! Usually Yao does not see touches because he is in foul trouble or fatigued. This is inconsistent but I would not call him one of the more inconsistent players in the league.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting bplld:</div><div class="quote_post">Rock4life - Not anyone can go out and give you 30 points in a night. I dont think you understand that. The game is more than just standing there and then shoot it. AI is a great athlete and thats where he gets his points from, when you get double and triple teamed, not everyone, especially someone 6 ft, can put up 30 points a game.</div> Players can easily average 30pts a night, given the freedom to shoot 30 shots a game. That's what Iverson fans won't admit. He's a great scorer, but when you look at how many shots he takes, you realize he's not that great at all. Being able to shoot whenever he wants to is something that NO OTHER player has the freedom to do. Common sense should tell you, if you throw up 30 shots a game, then your scoring average will be sky high. Am I wrong? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLue11:</div><div class="quote_post">What are you talking about!!! Allen Iverson had the same scoring, and FG% averages when Larry Brown was around vs. when Larry Brown wasn't. Look it up..</div> The difference was Brown atleast attempted to control Iverson's shot selection. He also had to beg him to practice. That Sixers team was most successful because Larry Brown and his defensive system. Even though Iverson still threw up bricks, it wasn't as bad because they're defense (as a team) was always great. Since Brown left, Iverson doesn't have anybody to get on him for "ball hogging". <div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLue11:</div><div class="quote_post"> Anyway, Iverson is consistent, because he gets to the free throw line 10 times a game and hits 83% of them.</div> So what your saying is he's a consistent free throw shooter. But what I'm saying is he's very inconsistent shooter, and the fact he doesn't stop shooting justifies to his scoring titles. Ultimatley, it's going to continue to hurt Philly. Coaches haven't lasted long in Philly, and don't expect Cheeks too either. The Sixers should trade Iverson and get more of a "team" player and "efficient" scorer. Sixers fans might not like that idea, but aslong as Iverson is given a "free pass" to throw up bricks, the Sixers will NEVER be among the elite. Similar to Tmac. He was given a pass to jack up shots in Orlando. That's why they were never too good. He comes to Houston, under a very strict coach, and has probably the best season of his career. All that, and his scoring average went down. I don't think Iverson can change his style of play though, the best thing should be to trade him now, and get something good in return.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting emannen:</div><div class="quote_post">Bad arguement! Great players want and demand the basketball. I find it hard to believe that teams can stop Yao Ming from getting the basketball. How does that work? Because I would like to see other teams use that formula on DOMINANT big men like TD, KG, Shaq, Amare, JO, and others. These guys all find a way to average over 20 ppg, don't you think teams are more concerned with denying these dominant big men the rock?! Usually Yao does not see touches because he is in foul trouble or fatigued. This is inconsistent but I would not call him one of the more inconsistent players in the league.</div> in all respects i dont think you have ever watched a rockets game getting yao the problem is not the problem. He gets into foul trouble easily is the problem. Another problem was with francis he would barley get the ball b/c of his shoot first style and with the rockets him recieving the ball has increased but when you have players like tmac that are phenominal yao will not get the ball alot but when he does he makes it more than half the time. yao is inconsistent on rebounds but not on pts EDIT: im not saying yao never gets the ball because i saw alot of the games tmac would just give it to yao b/c yao couldnt be stopped eg. game 2 and 5 of playoffs, rockets versus raptors
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Why isn't it, he doesn't make alot of his shots. Thats inconsistent. Just because he's Allen Iverson doesn't mean we should give him a pass. Any guy can go out and score 30pts a game. Given the freedom Iverson has, Steve Francis can got out do the same thing. Stephon Marbury can do the same thing. The point is, these guys don't jack up shots at the rate AI does (plus they're coach will take them out). Since Larry Brown left, AI has been given a free pass to shoot whenever he feels like it. That's why the Sixers will be battling mediocroty for awhile. </div> Look up what inconsistency is before you start arguing about it. My definition of it is that the player puts up great numbers one game then puts up horrible numbers another game. Just because he doesn't make a lot of his shots doesn't mean that he's inconsistent. Your not even arguing the same point anymore. Some ragging on him for having a horrible percentage and start debating why he's inconsistent. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I'm going strictly by the numbers here. Iverson's percentages have always been terrible since his rookie year. If you go by points, I guess he's consistent. But if you go by percentage and shot attempts, he's one of the most inconsistent players EVER. Overrall it's hurting the Sixers. The fans love Iverson, but eventually they'll see what I'm saying. Don't expect Maurice Cheeks to be there very long. He's goin to give AI the greenlight, and like most of the Sixers coaches, instead of trade Iverson, they'll blame him.</div> Again, his percentages have been the about the same since his rookie year. How's that inconsistent. He would be inconsistent if it fluctuated and went up and down or something to that effect. Fans love Iverson, but we also like Maurice Cheeks. He's a players coach and has a point guard past that can potentially mold Iverson into a better passer as well. Iverson's at a point in his career right now where he just wants to win, and he'll do whatever it takes- whether its passing the ball more or keep up the scoring. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The difference was Brown atleast attempted to control Iverson's shot selection. He also had to beg him to practice. That Sixers team was most successful because Larry Brown and his defensive system. Even though Iverson still threw up bricks, it wasn't as bad because they're defense (as a team) was always great. Since Brown left, Iverson doesn't have anybody to get on him for "ball hogging".</div> Wrong. He gave Iverson the ball and let him be the sole provider of offense for Philadelphia. Like you said, that team relied on defense, but take a look at the players Iverson was surrounded with. He had to score since none of those other guys can really put up that many points on the board. Brown in fact let him be the "ball hog" and let him play it his way. Who else would Brown want to be scoring the majority of the points? An aging Mutumbo, Snow who can't shoot if his life depended on it, or how about a Raja Bell? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> So what your saying is he's a consistent free throw shooter. But what I'm saying is he's very inconsistent shooter, and the fact he doesn't stop shooting justifies to his scoring titles. Ultimatley, it's going to continue to hurt Philly. Coaches haven't lasted long in Philly, and don't expect Cheeks too either. The Sixers should trade Iverson and get more of a "team" player and "efficient" scorer. Sixers fans might not like that idea, but aslong as Iverson is given a "free pass" to throw up bricks, the Sixers will NEVER be among the elite. Similar to Tmac. He was given a pass to jack up shots in Orlando. That's why they were never too good. He comes to Houston, under a very strict coach, and has probably the best season of his career. All that, and his scoring average went down. I don't think Iverson can change his style of play though, the best thing should be to trade him now, and get something good in return.</div> Strike two, wrong again. He had "a free pass to throw up bricks" when they made it to the 2001 Finals. I call that success. They were among the elite its just that they've fallen on hard times since then. Through a lot of their seasons, they got hit hard with injuries and now they've aged a bit and are reverting more to the young guns. It doesn't really make sense to trade him. Whenever you trade a superstar for anything other, you don't get the same amount of value in return. Take a look at the McGrady trade. Although it made sense for both teams, you can hardly say that Francis and Mobley are equal to what McGrady brings to the team.
Anzballer............The man's percentages are either good or HORRIBLE (mostly horrible). Your pointing out his pts per game, and I'm stating his percentages. We all know that he doesn't make alot of the many shots he takes. He's had scorers playing with him before, so don't blame the players around him. The Sixers cater to Iverson's terrible shooting by surrounding him with "hustle" players who simply won't complain about getting the ball. Since you and others refuse to admit that he can't shoot, hopefully we'll find common ground. Can you admit that Allen Iverson is a consistently TERRIBLE SHOOTER? It's a simple question. PS. What do you mean "AI is at point in his career he just wants to win". He's 30yrs old, and he just now wants to win?
