<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">Anzballer............The man's percentages are either good or HORRIBLE (mostly horrible). Your pointing out his pts per game, and I'm stating his percentages. We all know that he doesn't make alot of the many shots he takes. He's had scorers playing with him before, so don't blame the players around him. The Sixers cater to Iverson's terrible shooting by surrounding him with "hustle" players who simply won't complain about getting the ball. Since you and others refuse to admit that he can't shoot, hopefully we'll find common ground. Can you admit that Allen Iverson is a consistently TERRIBLE SHOOTER? It's a simple question. PS. What do you mean "AI is at point in his career he just wants to win". He's 30yrs old, and he just now wants to win?</div> Everytime I turn my head your talking about how AI shoots a bad shooting percentage, when his percentage is about average for a guard. Also when you are the superstar on your team you are going to take most of the shots, AI shoots a lot because his team needs him to obviously. If the 76ers didn't want him to they would DO something about it, Allen Iverson does not run the 76ers franchise. Also his shot may not be consistent, but what really seems consistent to me is the fact that he van average 30 and 8 in a season, and he gives it his all every night. Do you think how hard a player works and produces for his team justifys how consistent he is over shooting percentages. I think so.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Anzballer............The man's percentages are either good or HORRIBLE (mostly horrible). Your pointing out his pts per game, and I'm stating his percentages. We all know that he doesn't make alot of the many shots he takes. He's had scorers playing with him before, so don't blame the players around him. The Sixers cater to Iverson's terrible shooting by surrounding him with "hustle" players who simply won't complain about getting the ball. Since you and others refuse to admit that he can't shoot, hopefully we'll find common ground. Can you admit that Allen Iverson is a consistently TERRIBLE SHOOTER? It's a simple question. PS. What do you mean "AI is at point in his career he just wants to win". He's 30yrs old, and he just now wants to win?</div> Never in my last post did I say anything about his points per game. He had scorers playing around him before, true, but they weren't the scorers he needed. Let me break it down. Iverson is one of the hardest players to build a franchise around- you either need defensive specialists playing alongside him or players ready to shoot when he bails out of a slash going inside. He hasn't really had a legit offensive threat in the low post either since Webber (who was out of sync for the most part last season). I'll answer your question. He puts up bad field goal percentages. Not a bad shooter. By that, I meant that he's willing to give up more than he's ever had to in order to win.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">Players can easily average 30pts a night, given the freedom to shoot 30 shots a game. That's what Iverson fans won't admit. He's a great scorer, but when you look at how many shots he takes, you realize he's not that great at all. Being able to shoot whenever he wants to is something that NO OTHER player has the freedom to do. Common sense should tell you, if you throw up 30 shots a game, then your scoring average will be sky high. Am I wrong?</div> Its called defense. The guy is double and triple teamed, and he is the center of focus for defenses. In that case, it is hard to get out 30 points, yet he pulls it off. About his field goal percentage, tmac and kobe barely shoot a higher perrcentage than him, infact most gaurds arent high percentage shooters. Give the guy an open shot and will he hit it? yes. And thats why he has to fight for his shots. Teams know that, and try to stop it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post"> He had scorers playing around him before, true, but they weren't the scorers he needed. .</div> That my friend is a gool ol fashioned COP OUT. Every loser in the NBA can make that excuse It's called "adjusting" your game to fit with your surrounding players. Something he hasn't done............ <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post"> I'll answer your question. He puts up bad field goal percentages. Not a bad shooter..</div> Lol. You tried very hard to wiggle your way around that question, but "bad shooters" have "bad percentages". Nice try <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post"> By that, I meant that he's willing to give up more than he's ever had to in order to win.</div> I'm not sure what he's given up........Considering his lack of defense, terrible shooting, I would say he's very inconsistent. If you take the most shots in the league, your points will be consistently high. Food for thought
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post"> I'm not sure what he's given up........Considering his lack of defense, terrible shooting, I would say he's very inconsistent. If you take the most shots in the league, your points will be consistently high. Food for thought</div> Wow...I know aznxballer has told you to do this and you still haven't. Look up the word inconsistent in the dictionary. WHAT DOES DEFENSE HAVE TO DO WITH BEING INCONSISTENT????? He might be a terrible shooter but he still scores 25+ points every night. Trust me he was on my fantasy team. He is not inconsistent.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> That my friend is a gool ol fashioned COP OUT. Every loser in the NBA can make that excuse It's called "adjusting" your game to fit with your surrounding players. Something he hasn't done............</div> Okay, so because you can't adjust your game, you're considered a loser? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Lol. You tried very hard to wiggle your way around that question, but "bad shooters" have "bad percentages". Nice try </div> Wrong again, strike three. No, bad shooters do not have bad percentages. He drives into lane and lays up the ball into the rim- getting mauled by big men. Do you honestly consider that a shot? Most of his points come from inside or close range so its not like he's really shooting that much mid range or three's. I wouldn't consider him a shooter anyway. Shaq has good percentages, would you consider him a good shooter? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> I'm not sure what he's given up........Considering his lack of defense, terrible shooting, I would say he's very inconsistent. If you take the most shots in the league, your points will be consistently high. Food for thought</div> So his lack of defense and terrible shooting leads you to believe he's inconsistent? Have you read anything I have been trying to preach to you? Figure out what inconsistency is before you go argue about it. Look back like two posts ago in my definition of inconsistency.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Okay, so because you can't adjust your game, you're considered a loser?.</div> That's not what I said.......Read what I said again. You stated Iverson not having the "right scorers" around him. I was simply sayin that that's a cop out that fans use. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post"> Wrong again, strike three. No, bad shooters do not have bad percentages. He drives into lane and lays up the ball into the rim- getting mauled by big men. Do you honestly consider that a shot? </div> I'll try to breakdown the game of basketball for you........Whether it's a lay up, dunk, 3pter etc... it's still considered a "shot". So if somebody takes 29 "shots" and only makes 8, guess what, that's a bad percentage of "shots". <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post"> Most of his points come from inside or close range so its not like he's really shooting that much mid range or three's. I wouldn't consider him a shooter anyway. Shaq has good percentages, would you consider him a good shooter?.</div> How can you NOT consider him a shooter? He "shoots" more than anybody of last 5 years. Also, he shot 338 3pters last year, so I think you should get the facts right before you utter out nonsense. Me calling him inconsistent is based on him shooting good one game, and the next 25 games shooting terrible. He leads the league in shot attempts, so it's only right he lead the league in scoring. By the way, Shaq statistically is the best "shooter" in the league, being that his shots are all high percentage. Looks like your the one out of strikes now
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">That's not what I said.........Read what I said again How can you NOT consider him a shooter? He "shoots" more than anybody of last 5 years. Also, he shot 338 3pters last year, so I think you should get the facts right before you utter out nonsense. Me calling him inconsistent is based on him shooting good one game, and the next 25 games shooting terrible. He leads the league in shot attempts, so it's only right he lead the league in scoring. By the way, Shaq statistically is the best "shooter" in the league, being that his shots are all high percentage. Looks like your the one out of strikes now </div> HAHAHA Shaq doesn't shoot the ball at all. The only thing close to a shot for him is his hook. In fact, the reason he shoots those wierd looking free throws is because he has no shot. His shot is high percentage because they are mostly dunks.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TmacGarnett:</div><div class="quote_post">HAHAHA Shaq doesn't shoot the ball at all. The only thing close to a shot for him is his hook. In fact, the reason he shoots those wierd looking free throws is because he has no shot. His shot is high percentage because they are mostly dunks.</div> Okay........you've been beggin for it. Quik question. What is field goal percentage based on? It's a very easy question. One word please. Last time I checked, wasn't a dunk considered a "shot"?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">That's not what I said.......Read what I said again. You stated Iverson not having the "right scorers" around him. I was simply sayin that that's a cop out that fans use. </div> A fault on my part. Iverson never had a low post scorer and nor did he have a good screen scorer. So far he's had players that needed the ball to score- which pretty much conflicts with him. Its like getting Steve Francis to play alongside someone exactly like him. Not good. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">How can you NOT consider him a shooter? He "shoots" more than anybody of last 5 years. Also, he shot 338 3pters last year, so I think you should get the facts right before you utter out nonsense. Me calling him inconsistent is based on him shooting good one game, and the next 25 games shooting terrible. He leads the league in shot attempts, so it's only right he lead the league in scoring. By the way, Shaq statistically is the best "shooter" in the league, being that his shots are all high percentage. Looks like your the one out of strikes now </div> I guess we have a difference of definition here. I seperate a shot and a layup. Very different in my opinion. A shot you actually have to set up and everything while a layup is more of an on the go thing and driving into the lane. He shot 338, but compare that to McGrady and it will make sense. Iverson played about two minutes more than him and yet he still racks up about one hundred three's less (McGrady has 435). There you go. Why must you keep bringing it up that he leads in the league in shot attempts? I haven't even attacked it in my last post. Seems like someones running out of points to make. When you say Shaq is the best shooter, I know you aren't worth the argument. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Okay........you've been beggin for it. Quik question. What is field goal percentage based on? It's a very easy question. One word please</div> Field goal percentage is based on how many shots you make divided by how many shots you miss. They don't really show where you shots come from though so I consider that a misleading stat. You can drive into a barrage of defenders and throw up a layup but still its a missed shot. Or, you can chuck up a three and its a missed shot.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">I guess we have a difference of definition here. I seperate a shot and a layup. Very different in my opinion. A shot you actually have to set up and everything while a layup is more of an on the go thing and driving into the lane.</div> Aznnx.......you have to be kidding me. So what your tryin to say is, a lay up doesn't count as a shot. Meaning (according to aznxballer), when Iverson lays the ball up, he isn't actually taking a "shot" (??? ). I guess my next question to you would be, then why does a dunk or lay up count as a "shot" on the stat sheet? I think I'm done with this one............
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">Okay........you've been beggin for it. Quik question. What is field goal percentage based on? It's a very easy question. One word please. Last time I checked, wasn't a dunk considered a "shot"? </div> Haha...wow I didn't think you could be so stupid. A dunk and a lay up is considered a shot, but when talking about inconsistency field goal percentage has nothing to do with it. We've been trying to explain this to you. Field goal percentage should never have been brought up. The fact that you accused Allen Iverson of being consistent boggles my mind because anyone that is inconsistent will never win a scoring title.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">in?con?sis?tent Audio pronunciation of "inconsistent" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nkn-sstnt) adj. 1. Displaying or marked by a lack of consistency, especially: 1. Not regular or predictable; erratic: inconsistent behavior. 2. Lacking in correct logical relation; contradictory: inconsistent statements. 3. Not in agreement or harmony; incompatible: an intersection inconsistent with the road map. 2. Mathematics. Not solvable for the unknowns by the same set of values. Used of two or more equations or inequalities.</div> That is the dictionary definition of inconsistent, here are Allen Iverson?s numbers during the course of the last six seasons 1999-2000- 28.4 PPG, 3.8 RPG, 4.7 APG, 42 % FG 2000-2001- 31.1 PPG, 3.8 RPG, 4.6 APG, 40 % FG 2001-2002- 31.4 PPG, 4.5 RPG, 5.5 APG, 41% FG 2002-2003- 27.6 PPG, 4.2 RPG, 5.5 APG, 39 % FG 2003-2004- 26.4 PPG, 3.7 RPG, 6.8 APG, 41 % FG 2004-2005- 30.7 PPG, 4.0 RPG, 7.9 APG, 42% FG As you see Allen Iverson has been anything, but inconsistent. Look up the meaning of the word before you start throwing it around like you do. Though his field goal percentage has not been the best it has been consistent there has been no major drop or increase in it through out the last several years. You can say he shoots badly, but like AXB told you it is a deceiving statistic however, it does not make him inconsistent.
Just going to say a little something... For example, say a player shoots bad (I'm not saying Iverson), but he shoots quite a bad % night in and night out, would that make him inconsistent? No. If he shot bad one night, good another is that inconsistent? Yes. As you saw by Best Kept's statistics, Iverson has hovered around the same FG% and stats his whole career. He is consistently playing one way. Just because he shoots a lower % doesn't make him inconsistent, it makes him a player who shoots a lower %.
^ very good very good to the definition, 42% isn't even bad for a short guard like him. The reason why other guards shoot a slightly higher percentage is because they dont take as many shots. It's obviously easier to have a higher field goal percent if u don't shoot as much. Kobe Bryant shot 43 percent, 1 percent higher than AI, compare to 45,46,47 percent he has put up over his career. I honestly don't even think Kobe is inconsistent, there is a reason why his numbers dropped. But since you want to refer inconsistency to shooting percentage, I'm going with this. Baron Davis has never shot better than 42.7 percent in his life, he's actually shot in the 30 some percent in most of his career. Steve Francis has shot 44.5, 45.1, 41.7 , 43.5, 40.3, 42.3 in his career. I call that more inconsistent than AI. Jason Kidd has CONSISTENTLY been shooting in the 39, 40 , 41 percent range. That's not really inconsistent, but for some reason according to YOUR definition, it is. Don't get me wrong....I'm not trying to say being consistent at shooting that low percentage is a good thing....I'm just proving that pretty much every short guard that takes 20+ shots will have low shooting percentage, which does NOT translate to inconsistency.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">That is the dictionary definition of inconsistent, here are Allen Iverson?s numbers during the course of the last six seasons</div> Okay......you make this really difficult bestkept. I've broken this down to you 75 times, and you still don't get my point. If Iverson shoots 55% one game, and 28% the next 25 games, and follows this pattern the whole season, that makes him an inconsistent shooter (notice I didn't say scorer)To me, shooting consistently terrible, is inconsistent, period. He's a inconsistent shooter, but consistent scorer. OKAY. I think I've done enough teaching for the day.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">Okay......you make this really difficult bestkept. I've broken this down to you 75 times, and you still don't get my point. If Iverson shoots 55% one game, and 28% the next 25 games, and follows this pattern the whole season, that makes him an inconsistent shooter (notice I didn't say scorer)To me, shooting consistently terrible, is inconsistent, period. He's a inconsistent shooter, but consistent scorer. OKAY. I think I've done enough teaching for the day.</div> Iverson never shoots 55% and then 28%. Even if you were using that as an example, which is a horrible example becuase of the 25 game thing, but you can't possibly say that he is a consistent scorer and also be a inconsistent shooter. Even Iverson doesn't take that many shots to qualify for that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">Okay......you make this really difficult bestkept. I've broken this down to you 75 times, and you still don't get my point. If Iverson shoots 55% one game, and 28% the next 25 games, and follows this pattern the whole season, that makes him an inconsistent shooter (notice I didn't say scorer)To me, shooting consistently terrible, is inconsistent, period. He's a inconsistent shooter, but consistent scorer. OKAY. I think I've done enough teaching for the day.</div> Ahh.....I would like to introduce you to a website www.dictionary.com look up average. Of course some nights AI will shoot worse than 40% and some nights he will shoot better, but for the most part he hovers around that percentage which is why it is his ?average?. Here is his season game by game statistics so you can look at it yourself http://www.nba.com/playerfile/allen_iverso...game_stats.html . If every season at the end his ?average? is the same or around the same as the season prior he can not be considered inconsistent. I have broken it down for you 76 times you just don?t get it. One problem with your hypothetical scenario that if Iverson shoots 55% one game and then 28% the rest of the season is just that, it is hypothetical and their is no truth to it. It has not happened which is the reason why his average is around 40% each season. P.S: Do you see how everyone posting in this thread disagrees with you? That is a pretty good sign you are wrong on this.
Rock4Life, Iverson gets double teamed and triple teamed, and its amazing that he can manage to score 30ppg with 42 FG%. Iverson night in, night out brings 30 ppg. An inconsistent player would be someone who scores 5 then 23 points. Like Drew Gooden, Q-Rich, Yao, Mo-Pete, or Peja.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">If every season at the end his ?average? is the same or around the same as the season prior he can not be considered inconsistent. .</div> It's the same thing with Yao Ming. On a game to game basis, you can call him inconsistent. He averages 18 pts, with 55% or something, and people still call him inconsistent. Which is fair. Iverson is the same way, as far as being a good shooter. He's inconsistent, he doesn't have a enough good shooting games to be considered a consistent shooter. One night he'll have a GREAT game, and the next he'll shoot his team out of a victory. Instead of string together a whole bunch of great shooting games, he'll have some every once in awhile.
