You can't base Hall of famers on strictly individual accomplishments, MVP awards, SCORING TITLES, blocks etc.........If that's the case, Chauncy Billups and Mutumbo should be a shoe-ins. I would judge Hall of famers based on they're overrall game, how much he impacted the game, making teammates better, and how he performed under pressure (playoffs). Kids nowadays have no idea what it takes to be a hall of famer. To them, winning comes second to individual stats. Payton, Kobe, Shaq are shoe-in Hall of Famers. I love KG, but he hasn't performed well in pressure situations. AI, never. Jason Kidd is a hard one. He got to the finals, but I just can't see him with the likes of Magic and Isiah. Just because somebody is your favorite player, doesn't mean they belong in the hall of fame. Ex: Rasheed Wallace, Iverson, Ben Wallace, Steve Nash...........
Ben wallace ...hell no. if dennis rodamn who should be considered a better player than wallace isn't going to be allowed to in the HOF then no way should wallace be. If ben had played around the same time as rodman no one would barely talk of him. no disrespect.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">You can't base Hall of famers on strictly individual accomplishments, MVP awards, SCORING TITLES, blocks etc.........If that's the case, Chauncy Billups and Mutumbo should be a shoe-ins. I would judge Hall of famers based on they're overrall game, how much he impacted the game, making teammates better, and how he performed under pressure (playoffs). Kids nowadays have no idea what it takes to be a hall of famer. To them, winning comes second to individual stats. Payton, Kobe, Shaq are shoe-in Hall of Famers. I love KG, but he hasn't performed well in pressure situations. AI, never. Jason Kidd is a hard one. He got to the finals, but I just can't see him with the likes of Magic and Isiah. Just because somebody is your favorite player, doesn't mean they belong in the hall of fame. Ex: Rasheed Wallace, Iverson, Ben Wallace, Steve Nash...........</div> AI is not a hall of famer.....ok Why because he shoots a low field goal percentage? Or maybe becuase you think he shoots to much. Also who says how many shots is to much and how many is not? Oh never mind I know Rock4Life does. AI impacts the game, I believe they put a zone in the league partially because how much he was tearing the league apart when it comes down to taking people off the dribble. NO single person in the NBA can guard him 1 on 1. But of course you will find a way to say he hasn't impacted the game. AI is clutch as well, I don't even need to explain myself there, he is great under pressure situations. So come on.....what kind of bs are you going to type now to knock off the man and his acomplishments.
Well i think that iverson,shaq,yao,lebron,tmac,and kg will probley make it but there are some chances they might not.But all the other ones have a real slim chance of making it because i don't thats what i just think.
B-22, If you don't mind, I'd like to add something to the Iverson thought. Before he came into the league, there was no one like him. Nowadays, there's plenty of players out there that mimic their games after him- even Dwyane Wade admitted to this. In short, he created a genre of his own.
Isiah Magic Calvin Murphy Tiny Archibald John Stockton Jerry West Bob Cousy All Hall of Fame guards. All of they're teams were consistently good. All made they're teams GREAT! All played team ball and weren't just one dimensional scorers. Most of all, all were true WINNERS............... The Sixers will be mediocore not only this year, but for years to come. Might sound like b.s. to anxballer, but it's true.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Isiah Magic Calvin Murphy Tiny Archibald John Stockton Jerry West Bob Cousy All Hall of Fame guards. All of they're teams were consistently good. All made they're teams GREAT! All played team ball and weren't just one dimensional scorers. Most of all, all were true WINNERS............... The Sixers will be mediocore not only this year, but for years to come. Might sound like b.s. to anxballer, but it's true.</div> What can I say? Bottom line Sixers were an elite team when Iverson was in his prime. 2001 Eastern Conference Champions. Stockton hasn't won a ring either so there's really no argument there. Iverson will up his assist numbers next year, trust me. He now has a legit offensive threat in the low post with much more offensive options so there's no doubt that he'll improve those assists. All I can say is, when his time in the league is over, he won't be just a one dimensional scorer. Truth is, he's impacted the game so much, it would be a crime not to let him in.
AI will be have a lot of assists ,but the sixers need to fill in their holes on their bench. The only good sign i see is Steven Hunter. I'm assuming Jamal Mashburn is retiring. Other than that the sixers will be good and AI should be counted for HOF. If he isn't let in then stockton shouldn't be let in. You can make the arguement stockton was a great PG with assist numbers off the charts, but AI is a great gaurd with scoring off the charts and those assists will increase more than they did last year(7.9 assists)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Purple Fever:</div><div class="quote_post">Yao has a really good shot??! How so?</div> Becuase he single handedly revolutionized basketball in a country, raised the NBA's stock, and brought fans all around the world together. If he averages 20/10, for his career, he has a damn good shot. 20/10 is not THAT good, but you have to consider what he's done for basketball. That being said, I am not so sure he deserves it; The HOF (like VC said) is bogus. My List, AS OF RIGHT NOW: Shaquille O'neal Tim Duncan Jason Kidd Allen Iverson Dikembe Mutumbo Gary Payton Kobe and Garnett should be up there as well, but Kobe needs to prove he can carry his team (unlike last season), and if I put Garnett up there but leave out Kobe someone's gonna get mad. Iverson as well, needs a ring, but you could argue that he carried his team in the years they were contenders, he didn't have much help. All of that being said, you can bet on it that Kobe, Garnett, and Iverson will be shoe-ins.
In my opinion you don't need a ring to be in the HOF. Malone will be in the HOF he doesn't have a ring. It is your talent and what you have done on the court. Is there a link to the criteria for the HOF?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">In my opinion you don't need a ring to be in the HOF. Malone will be in the HOF he doesn't have a ring. It is your talent and what you have done on the court. Is there a link to the criteria for the HOF?</div>I agree. Just because you don`t have the trophy doesn`t mean that puts you out of a chance for HOF.
This is a HORRIBLE list. I can't imagine what you were thinking when you made this list: <div class="quote_poster">Quoting phunDamentalz:</div><div class="quote_post">For sure: <div align="center">Iverson KG Jason Kidd Nash</div>.</div> Gary Payton has had a better career than ANY of these guys (even Kidd). How he could NOT be a shoe-in. Steve Nash is a really good guard, but hall of famer, uum not yet. Iverson, no. KG is one of my favorites, but he hasnt been far enough yet to even think about hall of fame (be he has all the tools to be) <div class="quote_poster">Quoting phunDamentalz:</div><div class="quote_post"> Have a really good shot: <div align="center">Dwayne Wade LeBron Yao T-Mac Gary Payton</div>.</div> Wade? Lebron? This is halarious. These guys are talented, but they still have another 10 years to even be THOUGHT about bein hall of famers. I'm a rocket fan, but Yao isn't close to being hall fame material. Tmac is the only one on this list that MIGHT have a really good chance at this point. Keep in mind who the current hall of famer are. <div align="center">Magic Bird Jordan Hakeem (going to be) Kareem Isiah Jerry West Mchale Pippen Chamberlin Doctor J Russell Malone Stocton</div> The only people I say are a shoe in at this point are: <div align="center">Kobe Shaq Duncan Gary Payton</div>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">What can I say? Bottom line Sixers were an elite team when Iverson was in his prime. 2001 Eastern Conference Champions. Stockton hasn't won a ring either so there's really no argument there. Iverson will up his assist numbers next year, trust me. He now has a legit offensive threat in the low post with much more offensive options so there's no doubt that he'll improve those assists. All I can say is, when his time in the league is over, he won't be just a one dimensional scorer. Truth is, he's impacted the game so much, it would be a crime not to let him in.</div> I never said that winning a ring was mandatory, but there is a big difference. The Sixers were only really good 3 or 4 years. For the most part, they've been mediocore. Partly Sixers fault, and I say partly Iverson's fault. That compared to Stockton, who maintained his greatness over a almost 20yr period. The Jazz were always solid, and always seemed to go far in the playoffs. Stockton didn't score nearly as much, but he hit just as many big shots as Iverson did (like that buzzard beater that beat the Rockets that year ). Also he was a tenacious defender, along with an ability get steals. Iverson is more physically gifted, but Stockton was more effective for his ball club. I predict even with Webber, the Sixers will still be around 500. Sixer fans will argue, but I don't see Iverson as much of a winner. He'll get his stats though.
You can't compare Stockton to Iverson. Stockton had Malone most of his career. Malone can be considered as one of the best power forwards of all time. Iverson hasn't had anyone like that. Webber isn't in his prime anymore and is no where near malone's level. It seems as though you hav a strong dislike for Iverson. Iverson is a great player on defense. He avg 2.4 steals for the past 2 seasons. He is only second to larry hughes.
John Stockton and Allen Iverson are completely different players. Stockton "had" Malone because he was a pass-first point guard. Iverson is shoot-first... John Stockton will without a doubt make the Hall of Fame regardless of who he played with because he dictated the flow of Jazz games, was an excellent passer, and could shoot when he wanted to. A better comparison to John Stockton would be Jason Kidd... who will also be a hall of famer.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Shard:</div><div class="quote_post">John Stockton and Allen Iverson are completely different players. Stockton "had" Malone because he was a pass-first point guard. Iverson is shoot-first... John Stockton will without a doubt make the Hall of Fame regardless of who he played with because he dictated the flow of Jazz games, was an excellent passer, and could shoot when he wanted to. A better comparison to John Stockton would be Jason Kidd... who will also be a hall of famer.</div>He's very good, but what makes Jason Kidd a Hall Of Fame player.....He had his best years with New Jersey, and that wasn't very long. Especially considering all the Hall of Famers were GREAT 10 years plus. I know it's knit picky, but can you actually put Kidd alongside Magic, Isiah, and Stocton. These guys were winners they're whole career.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TmacGarnett:</div><div class="quote_post">You can't compare Stockton to Iverson. Stockton had Malone most of his career. Malone can be considered as one of the best power forwards of all time. Iverson hasn't had anyone like that. Webber isn't in his prime anymore and is no where near malone's level. It seems as though you hav a strong dislike for Iverson. Iverson is a great player on defense. He avg 2.4 steals for the past 2 seasons. He is only second to larry hughes.</div> I don't dislike Iverson. He's great scorer, and he plays hard every night. But when I look at Magic, Isiah and other Hall of fame pg's, Iverson doesn't belong. These guys were the definition of unselfish, they WENT TO PRACTICE, and did whatever it took to win. I the think the "I" in Iverson describes him best. Despite his scoring titles, he doesn't make his teammates better. I know your going make excuses, like how he doesn't have a low post threat, bla bla bla.........The point is, he refuses to adjust his game to make his team better. He's played outta control his whole career, forcing up shots, and committing senseless turnovers (in which he lead the league). I jus don't think that style of play should be rewarded.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting phunDamentalz:</div><div class="quote_post">WHich active players do you think are for sure in the hall of fame and who have a shot but are not a lock? For sure: Shaq Kobe Iverson KG Duncan Jason Kidd Nash Have a really good shot: Dwayne Wade LeBron Yao T-Mac Gary Payton Have a shot: Nowitzki Amare Ben Wallace Vince Carter Okay that last one was a joke.</div> Eventually all of the people you mentioned will end up in the Hall Of Fame. The only players I could question are Wade, LeBron and Amare because they are still early into their careers. If they continue playing the way they play, they are guaranteed a HOF spot, just like everyone else on that list.
