This is for all you shameless and brainless Shaq fans: Shaq is wack. Before I go any further, I'd like to insert the following disclaimer: This is not one of those "Shaq is not an athlete" arguments. Anybody who thinks that what Shaq does is unathletic or easy, even for him, should try grabbing a rebound over Arvydas Sabonis and then dunking the ball in his face. (I've actually tried it. It wasn't nearly as easy as I thought it would be.) I hold nothing against Shaq personally and don't blame him for doing what he knows he has to do to be the best. So "Shaq is Wack" should not be misconstrued. I'm not mad at Shaq; I'm mad at all you fans who root for him, all you savages with no soul and no brain. I don't think Shaq has been given enough blame in Kobe and Shaq's constant hardcore finger-wagging. Did the Heat win a championship with him last year? No. Did the Lakers win the past two championships with him as a laker? Did they get grossly outplayed 2 years ago in the finals? Yes! I sincerely beg of every last one of you who find solace and safety in a winner, with your O'Neal jerseys and Shaq posters, to settle down and try to see the sheer brilliance and artistry in what players like Allen Iverson and Kobe Bryant are doing right now. If Kobe ever becomes the best player in the NBA, and I sincerely hope that he does, he will prove what Wayne Gretsky proved in hockey, that you don't have to be the biggest or the strongest to be the best. Wouldn't that be beautiful? Until then, however, you soulless, cowardly, brainless parasites are going to continue sitting glued to your television sets, cheering stupidly as Shaq mercilessly defaces and invalidates everything I used to love about watching basketball. Source: http://www.mikegallay.com/whyilovekobe.html
I've noticed a slight shift in the favor of Kobe Bryant not being the catalyst to Shaq leaving over the summer. Details are finally coming out showing how Shaq acted like a selfish child his final season as a Laker. Miami fans are already getting a taste of things to come. After the Heat were knocked off in the Piston series, Shaq quickly pointed fingers at his teammates and head coach. It's not a coincedence both Eddie and Damon Jones are no longer on the team. There's also the Pat Riley head coaching take over in the works. You have to be naive not to see Shaq manipulating the Miami franchise. History is slowly repeating itself down in Miami. Shaq once took Kobe under his wing, said and did all the right things when he first became a Laker. I'm grateful for the titles he helped the Lakers win, but if Miami isn't a championship team this year or the next, Heat fans are going to see the nasty side of Shaq. STAT5, I think a lot of fans who casually follow the Lakers and don't have access to non-bias local media outlets have been spoonfed a lot of Shaq propaganda. BSPN has always praised Shaq and frowned on Kobe and the Lakers. You even have radio show personalities here in LA trying to get Kobe traded and don't give Kobe any chance. Then of course there's the biased LA Times' writers who have become tabloid writers and spin doctors instead of being professional journalists. Here's a recent example... When the Katrina Hurricane hit the LA Times did a piece on Shaq and his wife's efforts in helping out the victims. Then they wrote a piece on Kobe's efforts just being for show and to help his PR.
STAT5 & shapecity; I couldn't agree with you guys anymore... This is the type stuff I keep trying to tell these "Shaq-wagon" fans... You know, it's mostly the people that say they are Lakers fans but really only watch about 20 games a season; which are most likely Play-off games... But they don't follow them from the start of the season to see how they've really grown as a team through out the year... All they see is the BS from all the Sports networks.. It's really a shame.. Not-to-mention; has onyone gone to the Miami Heat forum on their website? Thats where you'll see alot of those "soulless, cowardly, brainless parasites"... Try reading some of their posts; I garauntee that you'll laugh your a$$$ off... I just say to myself; "boy, do these idiots have something coming..." especially when Shaq finds himself five or six years down the line thinking of who to blame because he just can't seem to get back to the ECF anymore... I see the Heat becoming the East coast version of the Trailblazers; you know, the team that had all the all-stars? Lots of talent, but not enough heart...
I personally think that they both had responsibility in the breakup of the Lakeres, but I think the problem has always, and will always start with Shaq. He always comes in with a promising up and coming gaurd, then things always go sour. It seems like he's fine and dandy when the attention and credit is on him, but when people begin to question who's better...the gaurd or Shaq...shaq gets jealous and has to retaliate. Reiterate who's team it is. Personally- I don't think Shaq will finish out this contract he's just signed. And if he does he won't be playing for championships in the last 2 or 3 years of it. I think he has two more years (if healthy) for a shot at the title, and then thats it. If Kobe Bryant and Shaq couldn't win (don't forget they lost to the Spurs in the WCF before they lost to the Pistons in the finals) a championship 3 years ago, how is an aging Shaq and a still-learning-the-game Dwayne Wade supposed to win one? Last year in my opinion was Shaq's chance at a title, redemption, and a story book ending, but as always- he wasn't there when his team needed him- And he displaced the blame.
ive come to see shaq as a concieted fellow but when stuff needs to be done hes a pretty fun loving and admiral person to be around. I know it seems like an oxymoron with admiral and concieted being in the same sentence but shaq is the type of person that would two face. I mean how can u hate a guy that helped katrina efforts and payed for george miakn's funeral.
Shaq is the problem and he's the reason the Lakers are such a crappy team. Not Kobe. Oh and btw you don't hear all this crap coming out of the Heat camp like you do the Lakers. Cmon now, who's the one who has his teammates calling him a GM? Who's the one that has his teammates telling him to stop playing for stats? Who's the one who can't get along with his teammates? Who's the one that has everyone wanting to leave Los Angeles? Hint: It's Kobe! Yeah so blame Shaq. He's the reason the Lakers suck.
I agree that Shaq had alot more to do with the Lakers' breakup than he gets credit for. I think the media ate up Kobe's fall from greatness and milked it for all it was worth. Some people definitely need to get off Shaq's jock, though I'm not saying Kobe had less to do with it.
Yer i also think exactly the same thing as Run BJM. The media wanted to make kobe look bad and made shaq look good. Both should be made to look bad for what happen to the lakers. I'm dissapointed in shaq not even trying to be a better man and reconcile things. At least kobe had the decency to apologize for any hurt he caused shaq and wanted bygones be bygones. Shaq on the other hand just replies "i dont remember that name". I'm not a kobe or shaq lover or hater. I do however hate how everyone just hates on kobe and because of that don't recognise his talents, you gotta give credit where credit is due.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Heat4Life:</div><div class="quote_post">Shaq is the problem and he's the reason the Lakers are such a crappy team. Not Kobe. Oh and btw you don't hear all this crap coming out of the Heat camp like you do the Lakers. Cmon now, who's the one who has his teammates calling him a GM? Who's the one that has his teammates telling him to stop playing for stats? Who's the one who can't get along with his teammates? Who's the one that has everyone wanting to leave Los Angeles? Hint: It's Kobe! Yeah so blame Shaq. He's the reason the Lakers suck.</div> You don't hear it because those players aren't class-LESS. Chucky Atkins will be on his 5th team in 7 seasons, you don't get turned over that often unless you are a problem. Everyone wants to leave Los Angeles? According to who, BSPN? Shaq? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Run BJM:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree that Shaq had alot more to do with the Lakers' breakup than he gets credit for. I think the media ate up Kobe's fall from greatness and milked it for all it was worth. Some people definitely need to get off Shaq's jock, though I'm not saying Kobe had less to do with it.</div> Agreed.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Heat4Life:</div><div class="quote_post">Shaq is the problem and he's the reason the Lakers are such a crappy team. Not Kobe. Oh and btw you don't hear all this crap coming out of the Heat camp like you do the Lakers. Cmon now, who's the one who has his teammates calling him a GM? Who's the one that has his teammates telling him to stop playing for stats? Who's the one who can't get along with his teammates? Who's the one that has everyone wanting to leave Los Angeles? Hint: It's Kobe! Yeah so blame Shaq. He's the reason the Lakers suck.</div>Had to be a heat fan with SHAQ on their current roster to come in and throw trash on the board. Bet you didn't like it when the Lakers w/ Shaq used to destroy your Heat on a regular basis. I think Shaq and Kobe share the blame. 50/50 Big egos on both sides. I do think that the media has been one sided and putting more blame on Kobe. What I like about Kobe is how well he has handled all the media BS. He has not responded in an ill mannered way, and he is still a class act. He could have blown it up and made a media war about it. But he let Shaq and the media do their thing and kept it quiet, while still doing what he does best on the floor. He has earned more respect from me now, than he ever has in the past.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh and btw you don't hear all this crap coming out of the Heat camp like you do the Lakers</div> Shaq spent 6 years in LA before the fued between him and Bryant escalated into anything. Shaq has been in Miami for about...a year. If Shaq knows anything he should keep his mouth shut this year because everyone knows who's leading that team (Wade) and that any success they have can be contributed to the list of Almost-All-Stars they picked up this summer. Everyone knows those players were brought in to make Shaq look good and hide the fact that he's not the other-wordly player he used to be.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting ilive4ball:</div><div class="quote_post">Shaq spent 6 years in LA before the fued between him and Bryant escalated into anything. Shaq has been in Miami for about...a year. If Shaq knows anything he should keep his mouth shut this year because everyone knows who's leading that team (Wade) and that any success they have can be contributed to the list of Almost-All-Stars they picked up this summer. Everyone knows those players were brought in to make Shaq look good and hide the fact that he's not the other-wordly player he used to be.</div> i disagree those players werent brought in to make him look good. He is allready the most dominating player in the nba. They were brought in so miami can win a championship. With your arguement you can say they were brought in to make wade good. Micheal finley was brought in to make duncan look good. swift was brought in to make yao look good. great players dont need other players to make themselves look good on the court. thats why they are great players (dont start bashing how yao isnt a great player its an example)
Let's see, Shaq had a falling out with Penny in Orlando and later with Kobe in LA. Will he make it three in a row with Dwyane in Miami? By the way, does Eddie Jones in LA count as one of Shaq's "victories?"
its really stupid how this thread was started out with a couple people posting how shaq is to blame and how every has caught on to it and jumped on the bandwagon. shaq will prob end his career in miami so there wont be 3 as you say
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TmacGarnett:</div><div class="quote_post">its really stupid how this thread was started out with a couple people posting how shaq is to blame and how every has caught on to it and jumped on the bandwagon. shaq will prob end his career in miami so there wont be 3 as you say</div> Only time will tell...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TmacGarnett:</div><div class="quote_post">its really stupid how this thread was started out with a couple people posting how shaq is to blame and how every has caught on to it and jumped on the bandwagon. shaq will prob end his career in miami so there wont be 3 as you say</div> thats what i first thought when shaq joined the Lakers and then we started winning championships. look at it now.
lol dont hate on shaq he MADE the lakers if it wasnt for him would the lakers have won all the championships they had won? Would Kobe have been the player he is today? it isnt shaq..its actually Kobe who has all the ego-problems and when did shaq blame his teammates and his coach for their loss? if you can find a source please show it to me
no its neither both these guys just had conflicts both are to blame equally as for kobe being the same player, he would kobe is great and he doesnt need shaq to do that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting PlaTsanity:</div><div class="quote_post">lol dont hate on shaq he MADE the lakers if it wasnt for him would the lakers have won all the championships they had won? Would Kobe have been the player he is today? it isnt shaq..its actually Kobe who has all the ego-problems and when did shaq blame his teammates and his coach for their loss? if you can find a source please show it to me</div> he made the lakers? excuse me but that is a rather ignorant thing to say. would kobe be the player he is today? obviously, did he need shaq to teach him how to play ball? did shaq tell him to create his extreme workout routines? kobe having ego problems? and shaq doesnt have any right? where have you been these past few years?find the source yourself, im too tired to post it. theres tons of threads here about that.
lol because there isnt a source.. find me a source of shaq blaming it on his team-mates and coach and i'll accept my defeat... just ask yourself if shaq never signed with the lakers after becomming a free-agent would the lakers have won three championships? would they have been as dominant as they were?
