I'm obviously a Rocket fan, but Miami is the clear victor this offseason. Why? Because they have too many different looks. People say they have too many stars, but I say THE HELL WITH THAT. I'll take that problem anyday. Some people point to the Lakers with Karl Malone and GP. But that team got to the finals, and with a healthy Karl Malone, they could have beat Detroit. Miami is BETTER than that team, and San Antonio can't overpower them like they did Detroit last year.They got a fast break line up, and halfcourt line up, a small line up, a big line up. I'll go ahead and say it before anybody else: <div align="center">MIAMI WINS 2005-2006 CHAMPIONSHIP</div> You know where you heard it first
Arent't you are the same person who said Allen Iverson the 3 time scoring champion and league MVP was one of the most inconsistant players in the NBA? anyway Miami could easily implode as they could win it all. They have alot to prove on the defensive end of the floor as well. The Spurs have upgraded quite alot with Finley, Oberto and NVE added to an already amazing starting 5. Heat are small at the PF spot and Tim Duncan should have an easiler time than Shaq would against Nazr/Rasho/Oberto for example. Heat don't have anyone close to as good a defender as Bruce Bowen. Heat still have shooting concerns and as mentioned possible ego problems. Miami look great on paper but they are going to go through alot of up and down's this year. Mainly controlling the amount of shots each guy gets and in the locker room. I wish SVG alot of luck as he might well need It dealing with so much talent.
Aren't you are the same person who said Allen Iverson the 3 time scoring champion and league MVP was one of the most inconsistant players in the NBA? :lol anyway Miami have the talent could easily implode as they could win it all. They have alot to prove on the defensive end of the floor. The Spurs have upgraded quite alot with Finley, Oberto and NVE added to an already amazing starting 5. Heat are small at the PF spot and Tim Duncan should have an easily time than Shaq would against Nazr/Rasho/Oberto for example. Heat don't have anyone close to as good a defender as Bruce Bowen. Heat still have shooting conerns and as mentioned possible ego problems. Miami look great on paper but they are going to go through alot of up and down's this year. Mainly controlling the amount of shots each guy gets and in the locker room. I wish SVG alot of luck as he might well need It dealing with so much talent.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Arent't you are the same person who said Allen Iverson the 3 time scoring champion and league MVP was one of the most inconsistant players in the NBA? .</div> 3 time scoring champion who will lead the league in shot attempts, and consistently be at the bottom of the league in shot %.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">3 time scoring champion who will lead the league in shot attempts, and consistently be at the bottom of the league in shot %. </div> Shooting 42/43% is above average for guards these days. AI is 6'0 and has to face double and triple team every night. No wonder his shot % is low. Iverson has to shoot the ball alot, he has doesn't have the chance to play with all-star PLAYERS like some other stars do. Or guys who take the pressure off him when he has the ball. So really you have no valid point saying a former MVP is inconsistant anyway back to the topic.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Shooting 42/43% is above average for guards these days. AI is 6'0 and has to face double and triple team every night. No wonder his shot % is low. Iverson has to shoot the ball alot, he has doesn't have the chance to play with all-star PLAYERS like some other stars do. .</div> C'mon ALLNET........Let's not be in denial now. The Sixers have tried putting allstar caliber players around Iverson, but they couldn't coexist because they wouldn't see the ball. Stackhouse, Hughes are both allstar caliber players who played in Philly and left with a smile on they're faces Anyway..........San Antonio ain't got the versitility Miami has. Payton was the deciding factor.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">C'mon ALLNET........Let's not be in denial now. The Sixers have tried putting allstar caliber players around Iverson, but they couldn't coexist because they wouldn't see the ball. Stackhouse, Hughes are both allstar caliber players who played in Philly and left with a smile on they're faces Anyway..........San Antonio ain't got the versitility Miami has. Payton was the deciding factor.</div> Sixers put guys next to Iverson who played too much like he does. The Sixers needed a post player to go next to AI for him to be even more effective. They just put guys who want to shoot and guys who stay outside. Even Webber is more of a jump shooter than a post player anymore. Allen Iverson is one of the greatest players and scorers this league has seen. Miami has more versitility than the Spurs? how exactly? would love for you to explain that one. Gary Payton is suddenly a difference maker? he will be nice off the bench but how little you forget the problems he caused in L.A. He has a huge ego and it will come a time when he wants playing time and shots. Thats where it could get ugly. Spurs proved they can play any style and win. They have guys who can play halfcourt and fastbreak basketball. Players off the bench who can do different things. So how exactly do Miami have versitility?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Sixers put guys next to Iverson who played too much like he does. The Sixers needed a post player to go next to AI for him to be even more effective. They just put guys who want to shoot and guys who stay outside. Even Webber is more of a jump shooter than a post player anymore. Allen Iverson is one of the greatest players and scorers this league has seen..</div> excuses....excuses.......So what your saying is it isn't Iverson's fault he misses 10-15 shots (20 some nights) almost every game. It isn't Iverson's fault IVERSON takes a number of stupid shots every game. It's actually the GM's fault (according to you). By the way, I was under the silly impression that you had to do great things in your career to be considered "one of the greatest" (not just score). All the greatest point guards, Isiah, Magic, Stockton, even a young Gary Payton had MULTIPLE qualities that made them "GREAT", along with they're teams. Uuum..........Outside of jacking up shots, please explain to me what Iverson does that is so "GREAT". Also, explain to me what he does for his team that makes them so "GREAT". Take your time <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post"> Miami has more versitility than the Spurs? how exactly? would love for you to explain that one. Gary Payton is suddenly a difference maker? .</div> Very much so.................Without Payton, the team has a bunch of stars and no floor general. Somebody that'll slow the game down, space to floor, and get everybody in the right position. When JWill get's outta control, GP can come in and do what he does best, without scoring a single basket. That's PERFECT. Never underestimate the power of a floor general. I.E. Avery Johnson
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">excuses....excuses.......So what your saying is it isn't Iverson's fault he misses 10-15 shots (20 some nights) almost every game. It isn't Iverson's fault IVERSON takes a number of stupid shots every game</div> If you actually played the game at a high level you would understand what having double and triple team pressure is like. Mainly at his kind of size. Iverson can have really bad shooting nights but he also consistantly gets to the line and puts up 30 points per game that gives his team a chance to win. He gets in the passing lines so well which turns into steals. Something he has led the league for quite a while in. Iverson is forced to take alot of shots as he doesn't have good enough support to take less. He has no choice. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">It's actually the GM's fault (according to you). By the way, I was under the silly impression that you had to do great things in your career to be considered "one of the greatest" (not just score). All the greatest point guards, Isiah, Magic, Stockton, even a young Gary Payton had MULTIPLE qualities that made them "GREAT", along with they're teams. Uuum..........Outside of jacking up shots</div> No one's else is fault that AI hasn't got the supporting cast. That is down to the owner/GM and overall the management to get the right guys around him. All the point guards you mentioned as great as they were had guys around them to fit the system they were running. Isiah had a great backcourt partner in Joe Dumars. Some of the most deadly big men in the league that smashed to the ground any time you thought you had an easy lay-up. A very good bench who match winners like Johnson. Shame goes for Magic with the run and gun offense he had. Now I'm not saying Iverson is as good as those guys were but he has never had the support those legends had either. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">please explain to me what Iverson does that is "GREAT". Also, explain to me what he does for his team that makes them "GREAT". Take your time</div> He shows great leadership Very good passer gets in the passing lanes that turn into steals good rebounder for his size and position gets plenty of assists plays with plenty of heart gets the best out of what he has been put up one of the most clutch players you will find..regular season and playoffs want me to continue? He doesn't make them GREAT, It's impossible for one player to make a team great. Mainly when they don't have any other real superstars. I will let the Sixer fans add anything else. Afterall they watch him more than I do. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Very much so.................Without Payton, the team has a bunch of stars and no floor general. Somebody that'll slow the game down, space to floor, and get everybody in the right position. When JWill get's outta control, GP can come in and do what he does best, without scoring a single basket. That's PERFECT. Never underestimate the power of a floor general. I.E. Avery Johnson</div> You havn't mentioned one thing that makes the Heat have more versitility than the Spurs. Nick Van Exel can come in when Tony Parker is struggling and not scoring. He can light the scoreboard up very quickly as well. So again if you are going to state something you need to back your point up better.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">If you actually played the game at a high level you would understand what having double and triple team pressure is like. ..</div> I've played ball.... Let's not take it there <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post"> He shows great leadership Very good passer gets in the passing lanes that turn into steals good rebounder for his size and position gets plenty of assists plays with plenty of heart gets the best out of what he has been put up one of the most clutch players you will find..regular season and playoffs want me to continue?.</div> Let me re-word my question...........What does he do that makes him "GREAT". Leadership? uum....yeah, when he decides to practice. Passing? He's been in the league awhile, and just learned how to pas the ball. Obviously you have a misunderstanding of what the word "GREAT" means. 95% of all the "GREAT" players made they're teams better, meaning they're teams were always good. The Sixers, for the most part, are borderline MEDIOCORE. They have been for 3 or 4 years now. For the most part, they will be. Since AI's best years are behind him, looking at his career, he had a couple "GOOD" seasons. A couple "GOOD" momments. A couple "NICE" highlights, but nothing a long the lines of "GREAT". It's one thing not to win a ring, but when you consistentley can't even compete for one............. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post"> You havn't mentioned one thing that makes the Heat have more versitility than the Spurs. Nick Van Exel can come in when Tony Parker is struggling and not scoring. He can light the scoreboard up very quickly as well. So again if you are going to state something you need to back your point up better.</div> I don't think your fully comprehend what I'm saying. That's why your confused. Miami is quicker, faster, bigger, and simply better than the Spurs. Antione Walker can play 3 positions. James Posey can play both SG and SF. Wade can play 3 positions. Mourning will back up Shaq, or could play along side him. Haslem is solid. Jason Williams will have them running. Payton will set up the half court offense, and get the ball down low. Not to mention they have a nice draft pick. Need more?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Let me re-word my question...........What does he do that makes him "GREAT". Leadership? uum....yeah, when he decides to practice. Passing? He's been in the league awhile, and just learned how to pas the ball. Obviously you have a misunderstanding of what the word "GREAT" means. 95% of all the "GREAT" players made they're teams better, meaning they're teams were always good. The Sixers, for the most part, are borderline MEDIOCORE. They have been for 3 or 4 years now. For the most part, they will be. Since AI's best years are behind him, looking at his career, he had a couple "GOOD" seasons. A couple "GOOD" momments. A couple "NICE" highlights, but nothing a long the lines of "GREAT". It's one thing not to win a ring, but when you consistentley can't even compete for one............. </div> Those are part of what makes him great. What makes Allen Iverson great is the way he scores and can take over a game at any moment. He is one of those players that you hate playing against. Mainly in the playoffs where he can go off for 50-60 points as he has done. Iverson took his team to the finals with basically no 2nd star, thats more than any other swingman can do without a big man. It's simply impossible for a guard to lead a team anywhere without help. It's the big men that lead teams to championships. Their impact is far bigger. You only have to look at the last 6 years and who has won the title. Lakers had Shaq, Spurs have Duncan and had Robinson. Pistons had Ben and Rasheed Wallace that helped them get the title. The top guards who have won titles in recent memory have had very good big men inside to play off. So Iverson has done more than any of the other top guards who have not had the chance to play with a dominant big man. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think your fully comprehend what I'm saying. That's why your confused. Miami is quicker, faster, bigger, and simply better than the Spurs. Antione Walker can play 3 positions. James Posey can play both SG and SF. Wade can play 3 positions. Mourning will back up Shaq, or could play along side him. Haslem is solid. Jason Williams will have them running. Payton will set up the half court offense, and get the ball down low. Not to mention they have a nice draft pick. Need more?</div> If you are talking about guys playing different position..here is the Spurs verison Finley can play 3 positions Horry can play 3 positions Manu can play 3 positions Barry can play 3 positions Along with many other guys who can play more than one position. You mention quickness, the Spurs have two of the quickest guys in the NBA in Parker and Manu. Nazr is quite quick for his size. The Spurs have basically close to six 7 footers on the frontline yet the Heat are considered bigger? Manu is 6'6 as the shooting guard, Bowen is 6'7. So how exactly are the Heat quicker and bigger? and they are suddenly better than the Spurs? who won the NBA title last year while adding a 15,4 and 4 guy along with one of the most clutch playoff performers in the league along with one of the best big men in europe. Miami have a great talent pool this year, however they have alot to prove with chemistry and being able to play togeather. Mainly on the defensive end. To call them better than the Spurs at this stage is foolish.
I really do like Miami, they are one of my favourite teams and they are a team to beat this upcoming year... but no matter what happens in the off-season the Spurs should still be considered the best team in the league.. why? Because they're the reigning NBA champs... doesn't that mean something. Let's not forget they added FIREPOWER off the bench with Finley and Van Exel. Along with Oberto who could be starting by the end of the year. Again, I like Miami, but you can't say they are better right now, it's wrong.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm obviously a Rocket fan, but Miami is the clear victor this offseason. Why? Because they have too many different looks. People say they have too many stars, but I say THE HELL WITH THAT. I'll take that problem anyday. Some people point to the Lakers with Karl Malone and GP. But that team got to the finals, and with a healthy Karl Malone, they could have beat Detroit. Miami is BETTER than that team, and San Antonio can't overpower them like they did Detroit last year.They got a fast break line up, and halfcourt line up, a small line up, a big line up. I'll go ahead and say it before anybody else: <div align="center">MIAMI WINS 2005-2006 CHAMPIONSHIP</div> You know where you heard it first</div> How do we know if they are the best team when they havent even played a game together yet? Cmon dude get real! This thread should be closed for now and then reopened after they have atleast played 1 game together.
A Team of: Duncan, Ginobli, Bowen, Nazr, Finley and Van Exel cant beat a team of: Shaq, Wade, Haslem, Williams, Posey, Walker and Payton. Although I am a fan of Miami, all the players the Heat added have some very exposable flaws in their games. Let alone the huge advantage the Spurs have as far as coaching is concerned.
miami could trade for jermaine o'neal and steve nash and I still dont consider them an automatic championship team...there is such a thing as having too much talent...and Miami does...they've stockpiled names and players who they assume will help just because now they're playing with shaq and wade...thats not true...all these massive egos will have to learn how to sacrifice shots and minutes for wins...its gonna be a season-long experiment...they're going after players because they WANT them, not because they NEED them...huge difference...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Those are part of what makes him great. What makes Allen Iverson great is the way he scores and can take over a game at any moment. He is one of those players that you hate playing against. Mainly in the playoffs where he can go off for 50-60 points as he has done. Iverson took his team to the finals with basically no 2nd star, thats more than any other swingman can do without a big man. It's simply impossible for a guard to lead a team anywhere without help. It's the big men that lead teams to championships. Their impact is far bigger. You only have to look at the last 6 years and who has won the title. Lakers had Shaq, Spurs have Duncan and had Robinson. Pistons had Ben and Rasheed Wallace that helped them get the title.</div> Okay.........I think what your attempting to say is he's a great scorer. Every time you mention he's great, you say something about scoring. He went to the finals ONE time, and I bet you 100$ he'll never see the finals again. Why? because he isn't GREAT. Even on a team with a superstar, he'll always need 20-25 shots a game. You mention how he gets doubled and tripled teamed, but even when he's open he STILL BRICKS a high percentage of shots. Allen Iverson= GREAT SCORER/GOOD PLAYER/TERRIBLE SHOOTER <div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post"> If you are talking about guys playing different position..here is the Spurs verison Finley can play 3 positions Horry can play 3 positions Manu can play 3 positions Barry can play 3 positions Along with many other guys who can play more than one position. You mention quickness, the Spurs have two of the quickest guys in the NBA in Parker and Manu. Nazr is quite quick for his size. The Spurs have basically close to six 7 footers on the frontline yet the Heat are considered bigger? Manu is 6'6 as the shooting guard, Bowen is 6'7. So how exactly are the Heat quicker and bigger? and they are suddenly better than the Spurs? who won the NBA title last year while adding a 15,4 and 4 guy along with one of the most clutch playoff performers in the league along with one of the best big men in europe. Miami have a great talent pool this year, however they have alot to prove with chemistry and being able to play togeather. Mainly on the defensive end. To call them better than the Spurs at this stage is foolish.</div> Okay...........I'll simplify it for you. <div align="center">Jason Williams Dwayne Wade James Posey Walker Mourning</div> Might be the quickest line up in the league. There is no line up San Antonio has that can keep up with this line up. <div align="center">Gary Payton Dwayne Wade Antoine Walker Mourning Shaq</div> That's a nasty line up. I don't think San Antonio can bang with this line up. Even the point guard can post up. San Antonio can play big, but doesn't have the same talent that Miami has. Just Shaq and Mourning on the floor at the same time is scary, but with Walker at the SF, and Wade (San Antonio has nobody to hold him), they will be DISGUSTING. Don't get wrong, Manu is good. But let's not overreact, he's NOWHERE quicker than Wade. Parker is quick, but NOWHERE quicker than JWill. In other words, Miami is BETTER. With Payton, I think they'll have a vet to come in and get the offense set up. Message to everybody: THIS IS MY PREDICTION......At the end of the season, you guys will be praising me
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Arent't you are the same person who said Allen Iverson the 3 time scoring champion and league MVP was one of the most inconsistant players in the NBA?</div> And the same person that the media/age limit is racist, as well as the same person who didn know who Dan Gadzuric was (he only started almost every game last year). <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Jason Williams Dwayne Wade James Posey Walker Mourning Might be the quickest line up in the league. There is no line up San Antonio has that can keep up with this line up. Gary Payton Dwayne Wade Antoine Walker Mourning Shaq</div> Why would you favor that second lineup over the first one? Everyone looks at the stat sheets and tries to put the five leading scorers on the floor, but at the end of the day, James Posey is a better player than Antoine Walker; he's unselfish, one of the NBA's best defenders, and overall just very damn talented. If anyone will make this team work, it'll be James Posey. Taking him out of the starting lineup for Antoine Walker give you present-day version of the 2003-04 Dallas Mavericks (or L.A. Lakers for that matter). Basically what you're doing is simplifying the comparison of the two teams to just player matchups, and that's not the way to compare teams. Jason Williams is quicker than Tony Parker, but he's also less talented in most other areas, has a horrible shot selection, erratic, and a problem in the locker room. Did you even begin to think of all the negativity that he brings to the team? San Antonio didn't have the most talented collection of players this year, and neither did Detroit a year ago for that matter. That didn't stop them from winning the title though, did it? Message to Rock4life: Your original "opinion" that you think we should praise you for just happens to be one that millions of people have stated many times before you.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Okay.........I think what your attempting to say is he's a great scorer. Every time you mention he's great, you say something about scoring. He went to the finals ONE time, and I bet you 100$ he'll never see the finals again. Why? because he isn't GREAT. Even on a team with a superstar, he'll always need 20-25 shots a game. You mention how he gets doubled and tripled teamed, but even when he's open he STILL BRICKS a high percentage of shots. Allen Iverson= GREAT SCORER/GOOD PLAYER/TERRIBLE SHOOTER</div> If Iverson doesn't see the finals again It has nothing to do with how great he is. It's what players he has around him. The same applies to guys like Mcgrady, Kobe, Allen and all the other top guards in the league. You can be a great guard and not make the finals. Big men are the guys that lead teams to titles. Iverson a bad shooter? thats news to me. When Iverson is open 80% of the time he normally knocks It down. His misses are more down to the consistant pressure he has to face every night. Okay...........I'll simplify it for you. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Jason Williams Dwayne Wade James Posey Walker Mourning Might be the quickest line up in the league. There is no line up San Antonio has that can keep up with this line up.</div> No line-up that has Antonie Walker and Zo in should ever be named the quickest line-up in the league. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Gary Payton Dwayne Wade Antoine Walker Mourning Shaq That's a nasty line up. I don't think San Antonio can bang with this line up. Even the point guard can post up. San Antonio can play big, but doesn't have the same talent that Miami has</div> Since when has having the most talent won NBA championships? you need chemistry, team-work and great defense to be NBA champions. Don't you realise that? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">ust Shaq and Mourning on the floor at the same time is scary, but with Walker at the SF</div> It's hardly scary, makes them alot slower and neither play good one on one defense anymore. Zo can still block shots but is still liabilty on the floor. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">and Wade (San Antonio has nobody to hold him),</div> Ever hear of Bruce Bowen? he locks guards down for fun. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Don't get wrong, Manu is good. But let's not overreact, he's NOWHERE quicker than Wade</div> You really underrate Manu's quickness. Teams can't guard him one on one. Like Wade he blows by guys at will. His only problem is he can get out of control but when It comes to quickness he is right up there with Wade. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Parker is quick, but NOWHERE quicker than JWill</div> You must be kidding? J-will doesn't come close in speed to TP. He also doesn't come close to him basketball wise either. Parker owns him. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Miami is BETTER. With Payton, I think they'll have a vet to come in and get the offense set up</div> And the Spurs will have Mike Finley and Nick Van Exel to come in and give more vet experience off the bench. Which is far better than what Miami can give.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">And the same person that the media/age limit is racist, as well as the same person who didn know who Dan Gadzuric was (he only started almost every game last year)..</div> Yea that's me..........Many players in the league agreed with me too. So maybe I had a point, lol. By the way, what does Dan Gadzuric ( average role player) have anything to do with this. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post"> Why would you favor that second lineup over the first one? Everyone looks at the stat sheets and tries to put the five leading scorers on the floor, but at the end of the day, James Posey is a better player than Antoine Walker; he's unselfish, one of the NBA's best defenders, and overall just very damn talented. If anyone will make this team work, it'll be James Posey. Taking him out of the starting lineup for Antoine Walker give you present-day version of the 2003-04 Dallas Mavericks (or L.A. Lakers for that matter)..</div> Obviously your listening skills aren't the greatest. I never said that was my starting line up. You just skimmed over what I wrote, and made an inaccurate opinion. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post"> Basically what you're doing is simplifying the comparison of the two teams to just player matchups, and that's not the way to compare teams. Jason Williams is quicker than Tony Parker, but he's also less talented in most other areas, has a horrible shot selection, erratic, and a problem in the locker room. Did you even begin to think of all the negativity that he brings to the team?.</div> Obcourse he's outta control sometimes, but he can be brilliant at times too. His assist/turnover ratio as improved, and to me, he might be the quickest guard in the league. Combine that with Wade, and you have a lightning quick backcourt. As far as negativity......You seem to be obsessed with it. Your the one who trashed Swift (angry Grizzlie fan) after he upped his averages in the playoffs. The only problem, just about EVERYBODY wanted him in Houston but YOU. I see your job is to trash every player that gets traded out of Memphis. It's becoming an interesting trend of yours <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post"> Message to Rock4life: Your original "opinion" that you think we should praise you for just happens to be one that millions of people have stated many times before you.</div> And your point would be...........??? I'm simply stating my opinion, if you don't happen to like it, go back to the Grizzlie forum and bash Stormile and everybody else who got run out of Memphis.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">Yea that's me..........Many players in the league agreed with me too. So maybe I had a point, lol. By the way, what does Dan Gadzuric ( average role player) have anything to do with this.</div> Most of the players in the league agreed with you (which I don't think is true, but whatever you say) because most of the players in the league were looking at it from a black NBA player's point of view, a very biased point of view on the subject. The reason I brought up Dan Gadzuric was because he's one of the best Center's in the NBA, averaged 18.1 rpg per 48 minutes (#2 in the NBA), was #17 in efficiency rankings (right behind Wade and right ahead of Kobe, Iverson, Carter, Manu, and McGrady), started 81 games, and you had no clue who he was. To me, that says a lot about how closely you follow the game as a whole. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Obviously your listening skills aren't the greatest. I never said that was my starting line up. You just skimmed over what I wrote, and made an inaccurate opinion. </div> My listening skills are just fine. I never said that that was your starting lineup either; I was simply commenting on the lineup you posted, not saying that you picked the wrong one. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Obcourse he's outta control sometimes, but he can be brilliant at times too. His assist/turnover ratio as improved, and to me, he might be the quickest guard in the league. Combine that with Wade, and you have a lightning quick backcourt. As far as negativity......You seem to be obsessed with it. Your the one who trashed Swift (angry Grizzlie fan) after he upped his averages in the playoffs. The only problem, just about EVERYBODY wanted him in Houston but YOU. I see your job is to trash every player that gets traded out of Memphis. It's becoming an interesting trend of yours</div> How are you going to win with inconsistency? And Jason may be quick, but does quick win basketball games? Just the thought of Antoine Walker and Jason Williams bringing their shot selections to the same lineup gives me nightmares. As for Swift, you can go back as far as 2002 or so when I started posting on message boards to see that I've always been critical of Stromile Swift. I'm not just critical of players who leave Memphis, and I think by bringing that up it's nothing but a really contemptible move on your part. I'm not necessarily a Grizzlies "fan" and far from an angry one. I criticise Gasol, Wright, and Tsakalidis, and they're still on the team; and I praise Earl Watson, James Posey, and Bonzi Wells. So your little theory is completely off-base. Too bad, I bet you thought you were being really clever when you typed that reply too... Of course everyone Houston fan wanted Swift and I didn't, because I've seen him play on a consistent basis and they haven't. *Reminds self to stay away from Rockets forum* <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And your point would be...........??? I'm simply stating my opinion, if you don't happen to like it, go back to the Grizzlie forum and bash Stormile and everybody else who got run out of Memphis.</div> My point would be to not act like this is your original opinion and ask us to praise you if the Heat do well, because you're just one in a million. Go back to the Rockets forum and post about how the Rockets had the second best off... ... sorry, couldn't finish that sentence without laughing.
