BESTKEPT SECRET...........The Sixers aren't anything special and haven't been for the majority of Iverson's career. Don't count on them turning any heads this year either. Iverson will win another scoring title, given he takes the most shots, but his team won't be much. Most of his accomplishments are nice, but there individual. To say he's the best little man ever, makes this argument OVER. I know your a angry Iverson fan, but next time you make baseless comment like that, keep this in mind: <div align="center">ISIAH THOMAS</div> NBA All Rookie team (1982) All NBA First-Team (1984, 1985, 1986) All NBA Second-Team (1983, 1987) NBA Championships with the Detroit Pistions (1989, 1990) NBA Finals MVP, 1990 (27.6 ppg, 7.0 apg, 5.2 rpg) 12-time NBA All-Star (1982-1993) All-Star Game MVP in 1984 (following a 21-point, 15 assist outing) and in 1986 following a 30-point 10 assist game) Ranks fourth in NBA history in assists (9,061, 9.3 apg) Ranks ninth in NBA history in steals (1,861) All-time leading scorer in Detroit Pistons history (18,822, 19.2 ppg) 28th in NBA history upon retirement and currently 34th best in NBA history Scored a career-high 47 points against the Denver Nuggest on Dec. 13, 1983 All-time assist holder (9,061) in Detroit Pistons history Averaged 19.2 ppg in 979 regular season games and 20.4 ppg in 111 playoff games Holds the NBA Finals single-gmae record for most points in one quarter with 25 (June 19, 1988 vs.Los Angeles Lakers) Share NBA Finals single-game record for most field goals in one half with 14 (June 19 vs. Los Angeles Lakers) Dished out 25 assists against the Washington Bullets on Feb. 7, 1985 and versus the Dallas Mavericks on Feb. 13, 1985 NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team (1996) (You have lost this debate, now please argue with somebody your age. Also, let's stay on topic )
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post"> (You have lost this debate, now please argue with somebody your age. Also, let's stay on topic )</div> You have proved to me that age does not always bring wisdom . I could run off a whole page in one post of Allen?s accomplishments, but people my age know how to read. There for I will do what was previously stated by VD in this thread and stay on topic.
The Heat are definitely one of the best teams in the NBA. To me the top two teams are the Heat and the Spurs. At this point our toughest competition is San Antonio, they are already champs and they improved even more, it should be interesting to see who plays better. Right now though none of us know who is the best team in the league, simply because the season/pre-season has not even started yet. As much as I would love to say the Heat the fact of the matter is none of us know till we see them play. Also I would like to mention the Heat have one spectacular team filled with vets, youngins, stars, hall of famers etc.. This year will be in the Heat history books without a doubt and I simply cannot wait for this season to start. The Spurs are also the other team to mention because of what they have accomplished this offseason. They already have a dynasty squad and have guys like Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, and Tony Parker; but they got even better this offseason by getting Nick Van Exel, and Michael Finley. Without a doubt these 2 teams will be the top 2 in the league, so for now finding out which is exactly is THE BEST is simply impossible.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">You have proved to me that age does not always bring wisdom like in your case. I could run off a whole page in one post of Allen?s accomplishments, but people my age know how to read. There for I will do what was previously stated by VD in this thread and stay on topic.</div> Thank you Rock4Life
^^ How was that last post off topic??? We're juss debating in here and it's some pretty good stuff to. Back to the topic, I think Miami will be a great team this year. I think the East is their's to lose. I think James POsey is going to give us the missing spark last year that Eddie Jones lacked, also JWill is going to giv DWade and Shaq a lot of nice feeds. Also, we get some good perimiter shooting in Toine who's 3pt% will increase with Shaq down low and this team has so many weapons that team will have to have special gameplans just to play us.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rocke4life:</div><div class="quote_post">Lol.... Bruce Bowen couldn't shut down Kobe if he dreamed of doing it. That comment alone gives you zero credibility. Kobe has always totured the Spurs. Bruce Bowen has shut down Ray Allen and Vince Carter, but Kobe, NEVER. I don't know which Bruce Bowen your talkin about. If he has, please tell me which game.</div> I did some research of my own, and this season alone, Kobe has played below-average against the Spurs. Season Averages- 27.6 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 6 apg, 4.1 tpg 43.3 FG%, 33.9 3pt% Against the Spurs - Game 1: 45 minutes, 28 Pts, 8-22 FG, 1-5 3PT, 5 Reb, 4 Ast, 3 TO Game 2: 35 minutes, 17 Pts, 5-16 FG, 0-5 3PT, 5 Reb, 2 Ast, 3 TO Game 3: 40 minutes, 15 Pts, 6-19 FG, 1-6 3PT, 8 Reb, 6 Ast, 5 TO Average against the Spurs- 40 MPG, 20 PPG, 6 RPG, 4 APG, 4 TPG, 40.4 FG%, 12.5 3PT% We might never see the day you admit it but the stats prove that Bowen was able to give Kobe some of his worst performances of last season. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">^^ How was that last post off topic??? We're juss debating in here and it's some pretty good stuff to. </div>I wasn't referring to that post. The off-topic posts have already been deleted, as promised.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">^^ How was that last post off topic??? We're juss debating in here and it's some pretty good stuff to. </div> Iverson relates to Miami being the best team in the league, how?
I don't know the stats from the playoffs the last few years but Kobe struggled then as well. Not just last season. I have only seen every one of Bruce's games the past 4 years so yeah what would I know If he shut guys down or give them alot of trouble
Locke.............Bowen can't shut down Kobe. Listen to yourself. Where have you been the last 5 years. Kobe owns the Spurs, especially in the playoffs . I and many other people can remember just shakin our heads at some of the spectacular stuff Kobe did to the Spurs. I mean, I can't even believe we're debating this.......... lol
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">Locke.............Bowen can't shut down Kobe. Listen to yourself. Where have you been the last 5 years. Kobe owns the Spurs, especially in the playoffs . I and many other people can remember just shakin our heads at some of the spectacular stuff Kobe did to the Spurs. I mean, I can't even believe we're debating this.......... lol</div> Not only do you ignore the stats you post completely false statements. One would think you are posting just for the sake of an arguement. How many Spurs games have you actually seen? judging from all your posts in this thread, not many.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Locke.............Bowen can't shut down Kobe. Listen to yourself. Where have you been the last 5 years. Kobe owns the Spurs, especially in the playoffs . I and many other people can remember just shakin our heads at some of the spectacular stuff Kobe did to the Spurs. I mean, I can't even believe we're debating this.......... lol</div> I can't believe even after those stats you can manage to say that Kobe owned them.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Not only do you ignore the stats you post completely false statements. One would think you are posting just for the sake of an arguement. How many Spurs games have you actually seen? judging from all your posts in this thread, not many.</div> First off I don't know what season your stats are from, but I DO know for sure that Kobe averaged 32.1 pts against the Spurs one series alone. Your right I don't watch the Spurs during the season, but the playoffs, different story. I can tell you that during the Lakers run, and even when they lost, he was the Spur killer. He was the one that came through, especially in the clutch. This isn't even a arguement............Take a poll, and see how many people agree. Can Bruce Bowen shut down Kobe Bryant? and we'll see how many people laugh at you And don't think I'm gettin off topic, because not only can Kobe embarass Bowen, Dwyane Wade is gonna do the same.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">Locke.............Bowen can't shut down Kobe. Listen to yourself. Where have you been the last 5 years. Kobe owns the Spurs, especially in the playoffs . I and many other people can remember just shakin our heads at some of the spectacular stuff Kobe did to the Spurs. I mean, I can't even believe we're debating this.......... lol</div> Don't even try to discredit me. I have stated at least twice in my previous post that the stats were from 2004-05. If you're just trying to play me off as the liar here, then I don't see why anyone is even responding to this thread. You have not backed up your argument with one fact and you've made up quite a few. I've brought out stats to prove it to you, don't pretend that stats don't matter. They are the only things that do. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Some articles from past playoff matchups between Lakers and Spurs. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Bruce Bowen knows his role very well. It's to guard Kobe Bryant. If Bowen doesn't score a single point but makes Bryant work for everything he gets, then he is considered successful. He forced Bryant into taking 38 shots to get 37 points in Game 1, and the San Antonio Spurs won. In Game 2, he blocked three of Bryant's shots, harassed him into 9-for-24 shooting and limited him to 27 points.</div> Link Kobe's Box Scores from whole series in 2003: Game 1- 37 pts, 16-38 FG, 5 TOs Game 2- 27 pts, 9-24 FG, 2-6 3PT, 5 TOs Game 3- 39 pts, 10-23 FG, 4 TOs Game 4- 35 pts, 10-24 FG, 1-4 3PT, 2 TOs Game 5- 36 pts, 15-31 FG, 4 TOs Game 6- 20 pts, 9-19 FG, 3 TOs Bryant had some great numbers in that series but the amount of shots he attempted and turnovers are overwhelming. Bowen definitely had a part of it, and that article I quoted proves it. If you'd like more proof, I'll be glad to provide you with some.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Locke:</div><div class="quote_post"> If you'd like more proof, I'll be glad to provide you with some.</div> What exactly are you proving...............Even though he shot below average % that paticular series, the guy averaged a freakin 32pts. Is that how you "shut down" somebody. No. Relax dude......I wouldn't call you a liar, you just "misinformed"
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Locke:</div><div class="quote_post"> If you'd like more proof, I'll be glad to provide you with some.</div> What exactly are you proving...............Even though he shot below average % that paticular series, the guy averaged a freakin 32pts. Is that how you "shut down" somebody. No. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Locke:</div><div class="quote_post"> Don't even try to discredit me. I have stated at least twice in my previous post that the stats were from 2004-05. If you're just trying to play me off as the liar here.</div> Relax dude......Nobody called you a liar. Ok, we're just debating.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> What exactly are you proving...............Even though he shot below average % that paticular series, the guy averaged a freakin 32pts. Is that how you "shut down" somebody. No. Relax dude......I wouldn't call you a liar, just "misinformed"</div> Yeah but take a look at the amount of shots Kobe takes. Anyone that shoots around twenty shots a game can rack up 32 points. I guess you can't shut down a certain someone either.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah but take a look at the amount of shots Kobe takes. Anyone that shoots around twenty shots a game can rack up 32 points. I guess you can't shut down a certain someone either.</div> You have a point........His percentage was low, and Bowen played Kobe well, but to say he can "shut down" Kobe is very humorous. Kobe has had some of his finest peformances against the Spurs Note: 2001.........Kobe averaged 33pts against Bowen and the Spurs in the playoffs. He went off for like 46 one game.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">hat exactly are you proving...............Even though he shot below average % that paticular series, the guy averaged a freakin 32pts. Is that how you "shut down" somebody. No.</div> But it's funny how you knock on A.I because he shoots too much and has a low FG% but at the same time he averages over 30 PPG just like Kobe. So in a way you're being a hypocrite because you seem to make sound as if it's okay that Kobe shot a low FG percentage, but when A.I shoots a low FG% it's a crime. The way I see it, there is either some bias here or you just don't like A.I personally(even though you don't know him).
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Avery:</div><div class="quote_post">But it's funny how you knock on A.I because he shoots too much and has a low FG% but at the same time he averages over 30 PPG just like Kobe. So in a way you're being a hypocrite because you seem to make sound as if it's okay that Kobe shot a low FG percentage, but when A.I shoots a low FG% it's a crime. The way I see it, there is either some bias here or you just don't like A.I personally(even though you don't know him).</div> You guys try so hard to discredit me that you don't even read what I'm sayin............lol. I've acknowledged that Kobe shot a horrible percentage, but what I was sayin is he can't be "shut down". Simple as that.
