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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">You guys try so hard to discredit me that you don't even read what I'm sayin............lol. I've acknowledged that Kobe shot a horrible percentage, but what I was sayin is he can't be "shut down". Simple as that.</div> Hold on here. I was going through some earlier posts and it seems that you think that Mourning can "guard" Duncan, but Bowen can't even "guard" Wade? Outside of Ron Artest, Bowen is the best perimeter defender in the game, and if any one can at least throw Wade off his averages and make him take 35 shots to score 30 points, I consider that just as good as a "shutdown". If Bowen can't guard Wade, then Posey can't guard Ginobili and Finley either.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Locke:</div><div class="quote_post">Hold on here. I was going through some earlier posts and it seems that you think that Mourning can "guard" Duncan, but Bowen can't even "guard" Wade? Outside of Ron Artest, Bowen is the best perimeter defender in the game, and if any one can at least throw Wade off his averages and make him take 35 shots to score 30 points, I consider that just as good as a "shutdown". If Bowen can't guard Wade, then Posey can't guard Ginobili and Finley either.</div> This what I'm saying. You tried to discredit me, and you didn't even know what you were talkin about. While Zo can't "shut down" Duncan, he can give him problems. This is exactly what I said in my earlier posts <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post"> Duncan is GREAT, but he can be contained. This is where we don't see eye to eye. Zo can give Duncan problems..</div> Oh and for the record, Bowen can't shut Kobe down. Nobody can. He may give him problems, but you can't shut down a great player like Kobe. Wade isn't on a level of Kobe, but he's simply too quick for Bowen. Look for Wade to blow past anybody the Spurs throw at him. Ginobli and Finley aren't anywhere as good Wade, so your hypothetical doesn't go anywhere.
I don't know why anyone hasn't mentioned this. I'm sorry miami fans and don't get me wrong, I like Wade hes one of my favorite players, but this guy is extremely overrated. If you haven't noticed Shaq is the reason wade did so well. Shaq opened up lanes for wade to drive and do his stuff. There was no one in his rookie year to do that so it was harder for him to score. Credit Wade's success not only to wade's abilities but to shaq also. As for your Kobe and mourning gaurding duncan. Your right about Kobe being hard to shut down, but he does have alot of off nights. Not enought to call him inconsistent because when he has off nights he drives the lane and gets his points earned from the foul line. As for Mourning gaurdind duncan, in know way can he even contain him. Mourning is to slow for even duncan. Duncan would just spin around him or do that back board signature shot of his.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TmacGarnett:</div><div class="quote_post">As for Mourning gaurdind duncan, in know way can he even contain him. Mourning is to slow for even duncan. Duncan would just spin around him or do that back board signature shot of his.</div> Your underestimating Zo. Zo's still one of the most agile bigman in the league. He's no slower than Duncan, so I don't know where your going with that one. Talent wise, Duncan is 10 times better at this point. But if Zo can in anyway slow Timmy down, Miami WINS. Put it this way, in all the games Houston played the Spurs, Mutumbo slowed down Duncan. It's true. If Mutumbo can do it, I know Mourning can somewhat
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">Your underestimating Zo. Zo's still one of the most agile bigman in the league. He's no slower than Duncan, so I don't know where your going with that one. Talent wise, Duncan is 10 times better at this point. But if Zo can in anyway slow Timmy down, Miami WINS. Put it this way, in all the games Houston played the Spurs, Mutumbo slowed down Duncan. It's true. If Mutumbo can do it, I know Mourning can somewhat</div> You should be banned on the spot for that comment alone. Zo can block a few shots. Not much else. He is no longer the threat defensively as he used to be. He is infact quite slow these days. Oh and by the some fluke that Duncan is contended the Spurs still have alot of options to win a 7 game series. Manu, Parker, Finley, Horry, NVE, Barry all can come in and score and take the pressure off Duncan. Tim Duncan would still commend double teams even If he is struggling. Which leaves open shots for the rest of his team-mates. The Heat for one don't have anyone who can keep with up Manu. Who is getting better every year. So I expect his numbers and impact will continue to increase.
I've watched for my own eyes Mutumbo give Duncan problems. Matter fact, he pretty much gave him problems every time we played San Antonio. Part of the reason the Rockets beat the Spurs last year. If Mutumbo can do it, then Zo can definatley do it........
Deke is a much better one on one defender than Zo Is. Deke did give Duncan some problems but Zo and Deke are completely different players now. Both block shots but Deke has longer arms and can change more shots. What you are talking about though is defending Duncan in the regular season. If Rockets faced Spurs in the playoffs, I have no doubt that Duncan would step up his game as he always does in the playoffs. You don't win 3 finals MVP's without turning It on when It matters.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">You guys try so hard to discredit me that you don't even read what I'm sayin............lol. I've acknowledged that Kobe shot a horrible percentage, but what I was sayin is he can't be "shut down". Simple as that.</div> Last season when the sixers played the lakers,kobe scored 17 points in the first 12 minutes then JOB switched igoudala to play him man2man defense.Kobe MADE 1 more basket for the entire game.By the mid point of the third kobe had stopped shooting,stopped calling for the ball and was basically treating the rock like a hot potato and just getting rid ASAP. I have never seen kobe get shutdown so badly/so quickly....igoudala absolutly abused him and SHUT HIM DOWN ! the sixers won the game after being down by loads of points.....i think that willie green was playing and put up good numbers off the bench Now kobe has had many nights where he has lit people up for numbers so to say that he cannot be shut down is just crap check the stats.....check your tivo... whatever
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Deke is a much better one on one defender than Zo Is. Deke did give Duncan some problems but Zo and Deke are completely different players now. Both block shots but Deke has longer arms and can change more shots. What you are talking about though is defending Duncan in the regular season. If Rockets faced Spurs in the playoffs, I have no doubt that Duncan would step up his game as he always does in the playoffs. You don't win 3 finals MVP's without turning It on when It matters.</div> I agree with what your saying, except that in my opinion he deserves only 2 MVP finals because manu or horry should have got the other one. Just what I think.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Deke is a much better one on one defender than Zo Is. Deke did give Duncan some problems but Zo and Deke are completely different players now. Both block shots but Deke has longer arms and can change more shots.</div> True....but Zo also has advantages. He's agile, and very active as a defender. Remember, having Shaq as a weakside defender will help Zo shade Duncan baseline. Shaq won't have to necessarily waste his energy guarding Duncan, but instead worry about guarding the rim. Duncan won't be nearly as effective close to the rim, resorting to jumpers. That's part of the reason why Miami will beat San Antonio. Wade will win the match up with Bowen. Tayshaun Prince is arugably just as good a defender than Bowen, and Wade pretty much had his way with him. Expect Wade to go off.
Tayshaun is nothing like Bowen is as a defender. Tay used his length to force guys to shoot jumpshots. Tay has trouble with really quick players. Guys that are mainly jump shooters he tends to contain alot better. I love Tay but he is not as good a defender as Bowen is. Not yet anyway. Bowen can keep up with any guard, no matter how quick. Tayshaun can't. So no Tayshaun is not as good of a defender as Bowen. Completely different kind of defenders. I refuse to buy that Duncan won't be nearly as effective. As long as Duncan is heathly the only team who I could see giving him trouble is the Pistons. Last year in the finals Ben, Sheed and Dice all took turns guarding him. Rasheed Wallace to me is the best post defender in the NBA and because of that he gave Duncan alot of problems. Holding him to 38% shooting. Granted Tim was playing hurt so he wasn't at his best but the Pistons knew how to defend him. I don't see Miami having a plan against him. The Pistons have more weapons to guard Duncan being able to throw...Sheed, Ben, Dice and now Dale Davis..could also add in Darko If he shows enough improvement. No Spur fan is worried about Miami guarding Duncan, overall Miami don't match-up very well in that area. Only Detroit truely do.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">The Pistons have more weapons to guard Duncan being able to throw...Sheed, Ben, Dice and now Dale Davis..could also add in Darko </div> Congrulations on the funniest comment anybody has EVER made. Your getting worst by the minute
Funny how you didn't even quote the rest of my post. I said If he shows enough improvement Learn to read!!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">Funny how you didn't even quote the rest of my post. I said If he shows enough improvement</div> Doesnt matter........The words "DARKO" and "DEFEND" should never be in the same category.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">Doesnt matter........The words "DARKO" and "DEFEND" should never be in the same category.</div> What part of IF HE IMPROVES don't you understand? you belong in a mental home. People like you are making this board look really bad. Facts remain the Spurs are the favourites, have all the pieces to repeat and the odds on favourite to come out of the west. The Heat will have to really battle hard to come out of the east. They may well do It. They have star talent but need to keep their ego's in check and play togeather. I do think that the Pistons and Pacers have just as good a shot at making the finals. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a Spurs/Pistons re-match.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">What part of IF HE IMPROVES don't you understand? you belong in a mental home. People like you are making this board look really bad..</div> Uhh, yea. and I all you've done is resort to name-calling and personal attacks. I'm not the only one who noticed this too.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">Uhh, yea. and I all you've done is resort to name-calling and personal attacks. I'm not the only one who noticed this too.</div> I've just returned the favour and really they havn't been attacks. I've just stated the obvious and I'm not the only one who thinks the same Of you. You can't question someone else's basketball knowledge and not expect a backlash. I have backed up my opinions all you have gone on about is pure garbage honestly and it's all started with "you are showing your lack of knowledge" gets tired after a while. Certainly when It is obvious to a blind man that I know what I'm talking about.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AllNet:</div><div class="quote_post">I've just returned the favour and really they havn't been attacks. I've just stated the obvious and I'm not the only one who thinks the same Of you. You can't question someone else's basketball knowledge and not expect a backlash. I have backed up my opinions all you have gone on about is pure garbage honestly and it's all started with "you are showing your lack of knowledge" gets tired after a while. Certainly when It is obvious to a blind man that I know what I'm talking about.</div> I never realized that your from San Antonio, that explains why you exaggerate Bowens defense. Your a Spurs fan, so your opinion is very onesided. I've stated my opinions, that's all. Everything is basketball. I don't have to use the word "idiot" or "you should be in a mental home". I laugh at that. It's funny. But ultimatley, it makes you look fragile, and takes away from the conversation.......
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">I never realized that your from San Antonio, that explains why you exaggerate Bowens defense. Your a Spurs fan, so your opinion is very onesided. I've stated my opinions, that's all. Everything is basketball. I don't have to use the word "idiot" or "you should be in a mental home". I laugh at that. It's funny. But ultimatley, it makes you look fragile, and takes away from the conversation.......</div> Where I'm from or live has nothing to do with my opinion. I'm not biased I say things how I see It. Your logic in this thread has been way off base. It's funny how you just state your opinions If that is so why were you posting personal attacks in the first place? obviously something got you started to post what you did. The right thing for me to do was edit your attacks but I got carried away and this got out of hand. BTW anyone who follows the NBA could tell you how great Bowen's defense Is. Don't just take my word for It. He has contained or shut down the best guards in this league. That is a fact. He did It all post season. LAST OF ALL You think Miami will win the title, I feel San Antonio will repeat we will see what things pan out in june. As long as you are still around then whoever is right will do the right thing and give congrats to the other on being right deal? enough of this attacks crap, lets keep this basketball and debate the sport we are here to talk about.
