Kobe VS Jordan

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Why can't America embrace Kobe and his ozone-piercing potential? Why can't they realize that falling in love with Kobe doesn't mean breaking up with Michael? I mean, what's not to love?

Michael Jordan was a great player. He also was a great salesman. And that was all he ever was, and that seems to be all that he ever will be. There's nothing wrong with that. He made some great plays and some pretty good commercials. Has anyone so completely dominated his sport and left so small a mark upon it? From the very beginning of his professional career, and long before he'd won anything at all, Michael Jordan and his handlers worked so diligently at developing the brand that it ultimately became impossible to remember where the logo left off and the person began. He talked like a man raised by focus groups. He created a person without edges, smooth and sleek and without any places for anyone to get a grip on him. He was roundly, perfectly manufactured, and he was cosseted, always, by his creators and his caretakers, against the nicks and dings that happen to any other public person. He held himself aloof from the emerging hip-hop culture that became? For good and ill? The predominant culture of the NBA. Remember, he once warned us, Republicans buy shoes, too. He always sold himself to people older than he was.

"He's the best player in the game right now," Pacers guard Reggie Miller said last Year, after Kobe went for 40 points to help the Lakers beat the Pacers. "He's playing basketball that's as good as I've seen in my career." Of course, Miller?s only been in the league for 18 years.

You want to argue? Bring it. But Before You go and start making a fool out of yourself, take the time to read the Bold.

Jordan never had a Shaq. True and Kobe never had a Hall of Fame swingman like Scottie Pippin. Or a rebound-munching forward as Dennis Rodman was in his prime. You think he wouldn't be handy to have around? Why, yes, Dennis, I would like to shoot again, thanks!

Jordan won 10 scoring titles. Kobe's got zilch. I watched Kobe score 56 in three quarters against Memphis the man could win a scoring title wearing Muppet slippers. But many nights he had to put his ego in a jar to keep Shaq-Fu happy and well-fed with points. Plus, Kobe has the burden of handling the rock an awful lot -- more than Jordan. "I'm not saying it's harder," says Kobe, "but it consumes a lot more energy, having those little guards crawling on you all the time. It's definitely more running."

Kobe doesn't D-up like Jordan. True, but he's learning. He's averaging a career-best 7.0 rebounds, too. Jordan only beat that once. He's got the Bally's body at 24 that Jordan didn't build until he was 30.

I don't see six rings on Kobe's fingers. Let's say Kobe retires when Jordan will, at 40. That means he'd play 23 seasons. You think Kobe can't get four more rings in the next 16 seasons? "Seven rings, eight rings, nine rings," Kobe says, "I don't care. I just want to win. Every year."

Yeah, well, the world will never love Kobe as much as Jordan. True, but maybe that's because Michael came first. If the order had been reversed, would Kobe have the IMAX movies, the jingles and the shoes? Would Michael be the one wearing Kobe's throwback at the All-Star Game?

Kobe screwed up. Probably more than once. He's an idiot for cheating on his young wife and baby. He's a loser for taking advantage of a star-struck 19-year-old hostess who was probably swept up in the moment by Kobe's three championship rings, until she realized there was a fourth ring to be found. I don't excuse his actions for one minute, and I think he got the public pillory he deserved. But so did the great Michael Jordan. But Jordan never got caught.

They said nobody would ever punk Ruth's numbers. Then came Aaron. They said nobody would go lower than Nicklaus. Then came Tiger. Just roll the possibility around on your tongue for a second: Kobe Bryant could end up the greatest player in NBA history.

"Ooh," says Kobe, "you just gave me goose bumps."

So, Kobe or Jordan? </div>

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My opinion:Jordan Will Never Approach Kobe's Immortality.

 

Props to you for having the ballz to make this thread. You know people are going to come in here and start talkin real greazy, lol. But I have to agree with you. Kobe isn't that far away from Jordan, as far as talent. I've seen Kobe lock people down plenty of times. I've seen Kobe come through in the clutch on all levels (regular season, playoffs, Finals). I've seen Kobe dominate his opponent. I've seen Kobe badly outplay the other teams best player (Iverson, Pierce,Vince, etc...) There is nothing I haven't seen Kobe do. His image will never be squeeky clean like MJ's, but who cares!! That's what people seem to judge him on, his image. But that's stupid. Since Jordan left, Kobe IS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE (outside of maybe Shaq). Maybe not better than MJ, but could be............Time will tell

 

Are you old enough to have watched Jordan play in his prime? You CAN compare Kobe to Jordan, but "Jordan Will Never Approach Kobe's Immortality" is a joke. Come on guy. Really. Just don't go there.

 

Just so you know, Rodman was only around for half of the Bulls championships. The first three was with Pippen, Cartwright, Grant, Paxson, ect. Role players that Kobe could never win with. I'm not going to argue that Kobe's skills are along the same level as Jordan's, but Kobe's determination to win is not as great as Jordans, as evident by his self centered attitude. If Kobe can win scoring titles so easily why didn't do it last year when the Lakers couldn't win enough to get out of the lottery? But that's the problem with players like Kobe and a lot of fans today, it's all about scoring. Jordan did everything a player can do to help the team win. He never slacked off with any aspect. If you think Jordan left such a small mark upon the game then you need to do your research and learn the history of the game and how Jordan helped it evolve into what it is today. If it was flipped and Kobe came first, Jordan would still surpass what Kobe has done today and would still earn more respect in his accomplishments. And please for the sake of everyone that reads this, what is Kobe's immortality that Jordan can't approach. Unfortunately I think you only remember the Jordan that played for the Wizards.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe IS THE BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE (outside of maybe Shaq)- </div> There positions are too different to compare the two.

Anyways, A lot of peopel have agreed that Kobe is athletically more gifted than Jordan, I'm not sure i agree but I know he's right there with the GOAT. It's a good article (a very old one) because it's true. Kobe is judged on his image and for that he will never garner the same respect as a player that jordan had. Jordans on-court flaws are masked by his billion-dollar brand name. He has hundreds of people at Nike working every day to create, maintain, and grow his image. Adidas never built an image for Kobe, they gave him a crappy looking shoe and threw him on a motor cycle- I'm not sure what the image was they were trying to sell. We have yet to see Nike's approach with there $45million man, though their first ad with him was pretty good.

Kobe's career will be defined by how his team fares, and what his image develops into. If he is portrayed as a hard working, focused man, with a team that is consistently in the thick of the playoffs, with a ring here and there- he will be forever etched into history as the SECOND best basketball player to ever play the game.

If he is portrayed as a hard working, focused man, who's team consistently plays in the finals, and wins more than it's fair share of those contests, then there is a good chance he will be regarded as the best player ever. People will never smile and light up about Kobe Bryant like they do for Jordan, but there's a good chance when his name is mentioned in 20 years- people will shake their heads and say "D.A.M.N. that cat was on another level"- People always respect hard work, whether or not they respect the person.

 

uh oh, here comes the pain...

Another good question would be. If MJ was still in the league today (in his best years), would he still dominate the league like he did?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting yanix:</div><div class="quote_post">uh oh, here comes the pain...

Another good question would be. If MJ was still in the league today (in his best years), would he still dominate the league like he did?</div>

No he wouldn't. That explains why Jordon didn't win any rings during the Showtime/Celtic era. The competition was too great. In the 90's, the competition wasn't as intense. The best you had was Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Olajawan, and a bunch of other good, but not all star quality, players.
There is alot of talent now a days making it harder for teams to wini, plus the fact that most teams don't want to play team basketball.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting YourNewChef:</div><div class="quote_post">No he wouldn't. That explains why Jordon didn't win any rings during the Showtime/Celtic era. The competition was too great. In the 90's, the competition wasn't as intense. The best you had was Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Olajawan, and a bunch of other good, but not all star quality, players.
There is alot of talent now a days making it harder for teams to wini, plus the fact that most teams don't want to play team basketball.</div>

This is hard to swallow, coming from some kid born in '84. I grew up watching, and all I can tell you is that you are wrong. Dominique Wilkins, Gary Payton, John Stockton, Chris Mullin, Reggie Miller, Clyde Drexler, Magic Johnson, Isiah Thomas, David Robinson, Tim Hardaway, Alonzo Mourning, Grant Hill... This list could go on and on. These are all allstar players, were then, would be today. Just stop talking about stuff you know nothing about. It's insulting.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting YourNewChef:</div><div class="quote_post">No he wouldn't. That explains why Jordon didn't win any rings during the Showtime/Celtic era. The competition was too great. In the 90's, the competition wasn't as intense. The best you had was Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Olajawan, and a bunch of other good, but not all star quality, players.
There is alot of talent now a days making it harder for teams to wini, plus the fact that most teams don't want to play team basketball.</div>

Please please learn the history of the game...this post makes me quite dissapointed that someone would post garbage without at least getting info about Mike's era. Put It this way, Ron Artest and Bruce Bowen would get destroyed by MJ.

MJ shot over 50% against the bad boy Pistons who may of had the best defense this league has ever seen. If not that the most psyical defense the league has seen.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Odde24:</div><div class="quote_post">This is hard to swallow, coming from some kid born in '84. I grew up watching, and all I can tell you is that you are wrong. Dominique Wilkins, Gary Payton, John Stockton, Chris Mullin, Reggie Miller, Clyde Drexler, Magic Johnson, Isiah Thomas, David Robinson, Tim Hardaway, Alonzo Mourning, Grant Hill... This list could go on and on. These are all allstar players, were then, would be today. Just stop talking about stuff you know nothing about. It's insulting.</div>


FIRST OF ALL. YOUR AVATER IS INSULTING. THIS IS AN OPPINION. NOBODY ASKED YOU TO COMMENT ON IT. AND OBVIOSLY CONSIDERING YOUR A SEATTLE FAN YOU SHOULD TRY AND POST SOME WHERE ELSE. YOU GREW UP WATCHING ALL OF THOSE ALL STARS. AND YOU WATCH KOBE BRYANT FOR 20 GAMES AND YOU WANT TO JUDGE HIM. TRUH HURTS I KNOW YOU CANT TAKE IT BUT YOU SHOULD ATLEAST TRY

 

Shape How Do I Add That Big Pic Like The One U Have ( Sars) I Want To Put One? Thanx

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Valid points STAT5, Kobe Bryant is on track to be better than Jordan when his career is over. He has the opportunity because he has yet to reach his prime and knows what he needs to accomplish to be considered better than Michael Jordan.
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Shape come on really, u actually believe Kobe will be on track to be better than jordan. what proof is there? before jordan even won his first champinoship he was already considered one of the best players ever. Kobe's best years are over, i'm not talking atletically but win/career wise. He will never be part of a better team then he was with the 2000's Laker dynasty. Those were his prime years.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">["img"]url adress["/img"] Just take out the quotes.</div>


I dont get it can u go step by step. I am slow LOL

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Odde24:</div><div class="quote_post">This is hard to swallow, coming from some kid born in '84. I grew up watching, and all I can tell you is that you are wrong. Dominique Wilkins, Gary Payton, John Stockton, Chris Mullin, Reggie Miller, Clyde Drexler, Magic Johnson, Isiah Thomas, David Robinson, Tim Hardaway, Alonzo Mourning, Grant Hill... This list could go on and on. These are all allstar players, were then, would be today. Just stop talking about stuff you know nothing about. It's insulting.</div>

Yeah those are sound players, but the BEST ones like Magic Johnson, Dominique Wilkins, and Isiah Thomas were coming to a end of their best years when Jordan was winning rings. Johnson, Wilkins, and Thomas were about 30-31 years old, which in NBA years is old. Not to mention that Jordan didn't have to deal with Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Dr. J while he was winning rings.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think the officials would let Bruce Bowen get away with the same tactics either if he was guarding his Airness. I also don't think Jordan would put up with Bowen's dirty play. Jordan was the type to go after you if he felt you were giving him cheap shots. He would send a message to Bowen and sacrifice a technical or some fouls to get it done. Jordan also had goon teammates to send the message for him as well.</div>
With the new rules though, it would make it even easier for Jordan. The new no handchecking rule would increase his FTA/G even more...

Also I think someone already mentioned it, but Rodman was only there for what was it, half of the championships. In addition to that, how can you compare having Scottie Pippen to having Shaq? Pippen is nice, but as long as the NBA has been around for with the exception of Jordan, big men or very good all-round teams have always been the one who won championships.