We saw at the end of last year that the Warriors had something fresh and exciting going on. Baron brought it with him. It spread quickly and the team began to win. Finally the Warriors had a leader and we the fans had a team. Chemistry is that unknown uncoachable element that many teams lack. We have it and it is spreading. "There is so much liveliness at this camp," said Mitch Richmond, the team's Special Assistant. "We did not have that last year. These guys really enjoy being around each other and I think you need to give Baron a lot of the credit for that. He has set the tone for everybody else, both on and off the court." Baron brings all the intangibles we've lacked for decades. Players and coaches respect his leadership. Baron will bring us to the promised land. At the end of last year, as the Warriors started putting wins together players on the bench jumped up and down after a good play. The Joy was back for the game and each other. Now we have this from day one. This season will be exciting and I can't wait to see the team grow. Bring on the season!
Well, we will see about chemistry department. Obviously, winning cures many things, and once we start to win, there will be less and less noises. In other hand, we have number of young players, and some players will be shafted, because we simply can't play all of them. If that's the case, some people will be unhappy, and that has a potential to ruin chemistry...
This is what I hate, I wish players would be team players. Play for the team not for yourself. Hopefully Montgomery can make an atmosphere like a college basketball team, where everyone has a common goal.
Well, it really can't be helped, and it's inevitable side effect for having bundle of talented young players. Since, they are young, they have to look out for their future careers, and if they believe they are not in a situation to maximize their opportunity (and number of players will be shafted despite their talents), they will be unhappy. In that aspect, I can't totally blame players for not being a team player, because I don't think I will do differently if I am in their shoes. Good news is that nobody will challenge two cornerstones' spot (Davis and Richardson) and most of players have generally good characters. So even if there are distractions, it probably won't shake the whole team like we experienced years ago...
It's like you say Kwan1031, "winning cures everything" When was the last time the Warriors had this kind of problem? Baron Davis will get this team to win consistently and I think the young players will stay positive as long as the wins keep piling up. The Rooks have to prove they can take minutes from Barky, Biedrins and Pietrus. We have a real solid eight players and if one or two of the rooks steps up then we have ten in the rotation. But realistically, Monta and Taft won't be getting much PT. Diogu is the one who has a chance of cutting into the top eights minutes. Mamadou is a journeyman insurance policy who plays a little d and does nothing else. I see Akindele and Miles heading to the NBDL. If Mamadou sticks he'll be the 11th or 12th man in the rotation.
Chemistry is important, but I also hope we can cash in and send two decent players for one great player. It's possible. Ideally, it would be nice to have defense and offense coming from all 5 positions. One huge threat inside the paint and one huge inside/outside threat on the wing plus supporting players that can handle it some, pass, score in the flow and defend (like Tayshaun Prince or Rick Fox or Robert Horry and Rasheed Wallace). Plus we need a versatile bench that can step up and handle the pressure and various matchups. We could be a very different team in a few years for better or worse because like Kwan said we can't sign everybody. Mully will really have to evaluate talent and find the opportunties to make this work. He's basically a CEO. He's done well so far after losing some credibility after the Foyle, Fisher signings and he's found some real ballers through trades and drafts. We really do need guys who can score and defend. But that might be asking for a bit much since most players like that tend to be neither great at both unless they are actually allstars. So far Biedrins, Pietrus, Taft, Diogu, Ellis have been my kind of players.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Montay:</div><div class="quote_post">It's like you say Kwan1031, "winning cures everything" When was the last time the Warriors had this kind of problem? Baron Davis will get this team to win consistently and I think the young players will stay positive as long as the wins keep piling up. The Rooks have to prove they can take minutes from Barky, Biedrins and Pietrus. We have a real solid eight players and if one or two of the rooks steps up then we have ten in the rotation. But realistically, Monta and Taft won't be getting much PT. Diogu is the one who has a chance of cutting into the top eights minutes. Mamadou is a journeyman insurance policy who plays a little d and does nothing else. I see Akindele and Miles heading to the NBDL. If Mamadou sticks he'll be the 11th or 12th man in the rotation.</div> Winning generally shut many people's mouths, but that doesn't mean they are necessary happy inside. We can give zero mins to players like Diogu, Monta and Taft, and they will not cause a problem because they are rookies and they have years until the contract year. However, if we give little mins to players like Dunleavy, Pietrus and Zarko, they may cause a real chemistry problem whether we win or not, because unlike other players, this is their contract years, and after all, their well-being is the no. 1 priority like most of normal human beings. And, in terms of min wise, we may have a problem distributing it. Davis 37.3 Richardson 34.4 Dunleavy 33.3 Fisher 27.1 Pietrus 21.3 Those are min distribution at the end month of the season. Those 5 guys not only took all 144 mins for PG, SG and SF, they took 8.4 mins from PF slot. To make things worse, Pietrus wants more mins, Monty probably will not ignore Cheaney completely, and Monta looks promising. So, can we give more mins from PF slot? Zarko wants more mins than measy 12 mins per game, Diogu looks good and supposely Foyle is in good shape too. We need more mins, but not only we add good talents and lost zero talent in offseason, existing pieces wish for more mins. We can cut down Fisher's mins somewhat, but I don't expect him to play any less than 20 mins. So, assuming that everybody are healthy, we may have a problem in our hand. It is very early and in a sense and it can be a very good problem to have. Also, with luck, we may go through the season without any public outburst, and Mullin can reorganize the roster after a year of observation. But, just keep in mind that there may be a chemistry problem in the future. Keep your finger crossed and like Custodian suggested, hope we can cash in number of young players for one great players. While you are at it, pray that Wolves will go down early and hard, so that KG may be available ...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">Keep your finger crossed and like Custodian suggested, hope we can cash in number of young players for one great players. While you are at it, pray that Wolves will go down early and hard, so that KG may be available ...</div> I have been saying for the longest time we need a 2 for 1 trade. Even if it is 2 of our young guys for 1 good guy. Or 2-3 good guys for 1 great guy. One thing we have is depth... PG:Baron, Fisher, Ellis and Miles (get rid of Fisher) SG:Jrich, Pietrus, Fisher and Ellis SF: Dunleavy, Pietrus, and Zarko PF: Murphy, Diogu and Zarko C: Foyle, Biedrens, Taft and our new 7'ers...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorfansnc93:</div><div class="quote_post">I have been saying for the longest time we need a 2 for 1 trade. Even if it is 2 of our young guys for 1 good guy. Or 2-3 good guys for 1 great guy. One thing we have is depth...</div> Yeah, the best situation is if we can package some of our long contracts + young talents for one big contract. With that, we can not only solve our finanicial problem, we can also potentially upgrade our roster. Imagine a trade like... KG's 20 mils contract for... Murphy's 10 mils (but if we want a player like KG, we may have to trade Richardson) Pietrus or Dunleavy Biedrins or Diogu couple picks Obviously, it's just a trade from my imagination without any real base, and it will rip my heart out when we have to part our young players, but we can't have everything so we have to settle for second best...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, the best situation is if we can package some of our long contracts + young talents for one big contract. With that, we can not only solve our finanicial problem, we can also potentially upgrade our roster. Imagine a trade like... KG's 20 mils contract for... Murphy's 10 mils (but if we want a player like KG, we may have to trade Richardson) Pietrus or Dunleavy Biedrins or Diogu couple picks Obviously, it's just a trade from my imagination without any real base, and it will rip my heart out when we have to part our young players, but we can't have everything so we have to settle for second best...</div> Ok, I have a question, how does trading $20m for $20 help our cap situation unless the contract comes off the books sooner?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorfansnc93:</div><div class="quote_post">Ok, I have a question, how does trading $20m for $20 help our cap situation unless the contract comes off the books sooner?</div> Because our original 20 mils would grow once we had to resign the young players. One large contract would keep us at around the same figure for a long period of time, right now we are below lux tax, we would continue to be if we hover around the same cap figure. If we keep the young talent they will demand more money thus putting us into big cap trouble.
Yeah, like BMJ said, we can avoid financial problem as long as we do not resign any of our young players. If we sign Dunleavy to long term, we will be right at the luxury tax line. And, since their contracts will grow 10%, we may or may not cross luxury tax line, but I believe Cohan will bite some of tax, since paying luxury tax doesn't seem to be an option for him. Davis 15 mils Richardson 12 mils Dunleavy (8 mils) Murphy 10 mils Foyle 8 mils Fisher 6 mils 59 mils Current luxury tax line = 62 mils. Of course, we can't sign any of our young players if that happens. And, with the problem of min distribution already starting to brewing, we can't keep all our young players even if we can afford them. We may be able to sign our young players if we can remove our current pieces. But, seeing that none of NBA teams may want to take any of Dunleavy, Murphy, Foyle and Fisher's huge contracts without any incentives, removing them is not an easy task, hence leaving no flexiblity. So, the best thing we can do in this situation is to cash in those young talents for something great, since it's unrealistic that we can keep all of them. If we do so, we can still maintain our financial situation to the reasonable amount while the factor of paying young players are also removed as well. At this point, this seems to be the best solution we have for our future. Worst cases are either we just let them go without any compensation or package young players to just get rid of our current pieces, so that we can create a room to sign another young player. If we do so, we loses a lot of depth and talents...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Run BJM:</div><div class="quote_post">Because our original 20 mils would grow once we had to resign the young players. One large contract would keep us at around the same figure for a long period of time, right now we are below lux tax, we would continue to be if we hover around the same cap figure. If we keep the young talent they will demand more money thus putting us into big cap trouble.</div> Oh, I see. So you are saying ditch the young guys and their future contract demands for somebody good right now?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Warriorfansnc93:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh, I see. So you are saying ditch the young guys and their future contract demands for somebody good right now?</div> Yeah, if we can do so, not only we can remove their future demands, but we can also upgrade our roster as well. It's a gamble for sure, but doing that is better than doing nothing, and just based on rumors, Mullin seems to have an idea of adding players like KG or Curry as well. Of course, downside is that we have to give up promising young talents and if they blossom and our gamble failes, we may look like a total idiot once again (may have to use 'Where stars are born (and then they leave).' once again). But this case, that gamble seems to be the best bet for our future...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, if we can do so, not only we can remove their future demands, but we can also upgrade our roster as well. It's a gamble for sure, but doing that is better than doing nothing, and just based on rumors, Mullin seems to have an idea of adding players like KG or Curry as well. Of course, downside is that we have to give up promising young talents and if they blossom and our gamble failes, we may look like a total idiot once again (may have to use 'Where stars are born (and then they leave).' once again). But this case, that gamble seems to be the best bet for our future...</div> I think that is why it needs to be for a sure thing like KG. Give up something like Murphy, Foyle or Fisher plus a guy like Pietrus, Biedrens whoever. No one would be untouchable. Heck, I would even give up Jrich for someone like KG, but not Jrich AND Pietrus. I would say something like Jrich, Murphy and Biedrens or something like that...
Yeah, we certainly won't give up both Richardson and Pietrus, and nobody is untouchable (maybe Davis) in our future. Of course, hall of fame type of players like KG or Shaqs are rarely available, and 29 teams want that player if available, so it really is not a good thing to bank on. Good thing is that if they are actually available, we are in a good position to bid, because we have bundle of young players with some extra picks as well. Let's pray that Minny falls down so bad, they are forced to cash in KG. And, if Mullin can pull that off, he may have a bigger success as a GM then player...
I would give up either Jrich or Murphy because of their contract and to give MN talent in return and whatever young talent they want including Diogu, Biedrens, whoever. I would like it if they take Foyle or Fisher too...
For contract reason, trading Richardson or Murphy are basically must, unless you want to fill 20 mils with all rookie contracts . I don't think Minny wants any part of Foyle or Fisher's contract, because trading KG means they are rebuilding, and knowing the value of KG, they don't have to take any bad contracts. We need to throw some picks as well. Unfortunately, other than KG, I don't know which future HOF has a remote chance to be available. Also, getting guards are pretty meaningless, because it won't be a significant upgrade from our Davis-Richardson back court. But let's see. Who knows who will be available...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">For contract reason, trading Richardson or Murphy are basically must, unless you want to fill 20 mils with all rookie contracts . I don't think Minny wants any part of Foyle or Fisher's contract, because trading KG means they are rebuilding, and knowing the value of KG, they don't have to take any bad contracts. We need to throw some picks as well. Unfortunately, other than KG, I don't know which future HOF has a remote chance to be available. Also, getting guards are pretty meaningless, because it won't be a significant upgrade from our Davis-Richardson back court. But let's see. Who knows who will be available...</div> Who cares about guards we can just play Pietrus. Is KG a SF or PF? I would say what about centers?
KG played PF for last few years, so he should play PF. For center... well, we are basically stuck with Foyle, since it's just darn hard to get any quality center whether he is overpaid or not. That's why I am ready to live with Foyle's contract, because even if he is overpaid, he is our best post up defender, shot blocker, and pretty decent rebounder as well. Besides, who will be available? Shaq won't be available and same goes with Yao. Wallace is FA next year, but he is basically much better version of Foyle, who may ask twice of money Foyle is getting. And, I don't think Hornets will just swap Foyle for Magloire either. So, as always, market for centers are slim to say the least...
