<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GotSkillz92:</div><div class="quote_post">Like I said before Curry is only 23. He isnt even in his prime yet. That saying you act like Curry will never be a good rebounder and defender. There's a reason the players practice and are in training camps. Its to improve their skills. I dont like the fact that you're doubting Aguirre since he converted Sweetney and Nazr into what they are 2day. And that is good rebounding skills and post moves. Curry in New York gets a fresh start. His work ethic as you describe can be changed with a great coach in Larry Brown who doesnt take crap from anybody. He doesnt practice, then he doesnt play. I like Curry more since he's taller and can stay in games instead of having alot of foul problems like Sweetney had. Curry is a better scorer since he can score facing and looking away from the basket. Curry can also drain shots from 15 feet, a problem Sweetney had. Bottom Line Curry is more versatile and has more aspects of the game then sweets had.</div> I seriously hope you dont think Curry will be a truly dominant center. I doubt Curry will ever be a good rebounder and defender. He's been in the league for years now and he still cant rebound or defend. There is no reason to think he will start now. Until he proves he can rebound and guard somebody then we shouldnt assume he will. Agguire was definetely helpful with Sweetney and Nazr but let's not get too carried away. Sweetney was a good rebounder even in his rookie year when he barely got any minutes. Sweetney was also a good low post scorer in college so it's not like Agguire made something out of nothing. Nazr's post up game was still weak even after Agguire took him under his wing. What on Earth makes you think a coach has anything to do with work ethic? A player either has a good work ethic or he doesnt. It's really that simple. The coach has nothing to do with it. A player only works hard because they want to work hard. It's about the player not the coach. The greatest coach in all of sports history couldnt instill a good work ethic in a player who doesnt have it. If Larry Brown is going to be as strict as you say he will be than I guess Curry wont be playing. By the way what good is being taller if it doesnt translate into your game? Curry is three inches taller but he's a much weaker rebounder than Sweetney. Curry can hit the fifteen footer? That's nice. Sweetney can post up than hit the fadeaway jumper. What's your point? I'm sorry but how does Curry have more aspects of the game when he cant even rebound at 6'11" and 275+ pounds? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting GotSkillz92:</div><div class="quote_post">We're not crying. The only knicks fan that hates the deal is tribute to h20. I like the trade because of Curry's potential and Davis' experience and presence. I agree with the pieces thing. I think Isiah has added good players to the areas in which they needed help. They needed size so they added frye, curry, james, and davis. They needed a backup pg so they added Nate. They needed a healthy shooter so they added q-rich. They needed a good coach to lead a rebuilding team so they added LB. The Knicks have had one of the best offseasons.</div> Davis will probably be bought out. Curry's potential? So why arent you mad about giving up TT? He has tons of potential too. The Knicks certainly needed size and they did add the players you just mentioned. But it seems you're forgetting the point of having size in the frontcourt. Teams want size in the frontcourt because usually more size equals more points in the paint and more rebounding. But that's not so in the cases of Frye, James and Curry. If the Knicks wanted a back up point guard they should have gotten Jarett Jack instead. He plays tough defense and is a good playmaker which is what you want out of your back up point guard. Richardson isnt a good shooter. Rebuilding teams dont trade away salary space and draft picks. The Knicks offseason was busy and active but that's it. Dont mistaken motion for progress. The Knicks needed to improve their defense but they didnt. Instead their rebounding has gotten worse. The team has added more scorers but not much else. Larry Brown was the best thing that happened this offseason. The Knicks will be better than last season but unless Houston returns to All Star form which most people consider unlikely than the Knicks will return to the lottery. Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.
[quote name='Tribute to H2O']I seriously hope you dont think Curry will be a truly dominant center. I doubt Curry will ever be a good rebounder and defender. He's been in the league for years now and he still cant rebound or defend. There is no reason to think he will start now. Until he proves he can rebound and guard somebody then we shouldnt assume he will. Agguire was definetely helpful with Sweetney and Nazr but let's not get too carried away. Sweetney was a good rebounder even in his rookie year when he barely got any minutes. Sweetney was also a good low post scorer in college so it's not like Agguire made something out of nothing. Nazr's post up game was still weak even after Agguire took him under his wing. What on Earth makes you think a coach has anything to do with work ethic? A player either has a good work ethic or he doesnt. It's really that simple. The coach has nothing to do with it. A player only works hard because they want to work hard. It's about the player not the coach. The greatest coach in all of sports history couldnt instill a good work ethic in a player who doesnt have it. If Larry Brown is going to be as strict as you say he will be than I guess Curry wont be playing. By the way what good is being taller if it doesnt translate into your game? Curry is three inches taller but he's a much weaker rebounder than Sweetney. Curry can hit the fifteen footer? That's nice. Sweetney can post up than hit the fadeaway jumper. What's your point? I'm sorry but how does Curry have more aspects of the game when he cant even rebound at 6'11" and 275+ pounds? 1st of all I think that Curry has tons of potential. There's a reason Isiah wanted to go after him. How can you predict whether or not a player is going 2 be a good one or a bad one? Do you have powers? I think Curry's work ethic will increase because he's happy to be here and he has a fresh start. Sweetney's performance increased dramatically after his 1st season. He scored more points and he nearly doubled his rebounding. Nazr Mohammed was at best a backup center for the hawks, now he's starting for the nba champions. A coach is suppose to push their players and make them work everyday at practice. What you think a coach just shows up on gameday and leaves the same day? You compare Sweetney with Curry when Curry came straight out of highschool and Sweetney spent years in Georgetown. Sweets played in a collegiate level while Curry played with nobodies. Sweets had more experience so thats why he's a better rebounder. Thats a huge advantage.You mentioned Curry's weight and height. Thats why I think Curry has a good chance to dominate the glass and defend very well. Like i said before 23 years old and he's not even in his prime. He still has alot to learn. But he has to have good work ethic which I think he will have here in NY. Davis will probably be bought out. Curry's potential? So why arent you mad about giving up TT? He has tons of potential too. The Knicks certainly needed size and they did add the players you just mentioned. But it seems you're forgetting the point of having size in the frontcourt. Teams want size in the frontcourt because usually more size equals more points in the paint and more rebounding. But that's not so in the cases of Frye, James and Curry. If the Knicks wanted a back up point guard they should have gotten Jarett Jack instead. He plays tough defense and is a good playmaker which is what you want out of your back up point guard. Richardson isnt a good shooter. Rebuilding teams dont trade away salary space and draft picks. The Knicks offseason was busy and active but that's it. Dont mistaken motion for progress. The Knicks needed to improve their defense but they didnt. Instead their rebounding has gotten worse. The team has added more scorers but not much else. Larry Brown was the best thing that happened this offseason. The Knicks will be better than last season but unless Houston returns to All Star form which most people consider unlikely than the Knicks will return to the lottery. Isiah hasnt given up in Davis. He's the GM not LB. He's hoping his off the court problems will heal soon because Davis will be a big presence for the knicks. TT is already reaching his 30's. He has never reached his potential and Ive never like him. I thought trading TT for Keith was dumb. Keith is by far a better player then TT is. You're already saying Frye is a bust when he's still a rookie. What Frye doesnt have potential either? You can't criticize a player who has never played a minute in the NBA. JJ is coming off a great playoff performance in the West for the Sonics. He's already mentioned his ego was lost his 5th year so I think he'll work hard this season. Richardson isnt a good shooter? Are u crazy? He led the league in 3pts made last season and he did win the 3pt contest. Q is a great shooter. He can drop the perimeter shot all night long just like he did with the Suns. You can't say Curry, Frye, and JJ arent an improvement over Sweets and Kurt. The knicks were 22nd in rebounding and last in blocked shots. Anything is better then that. I think those 3 can be a huge factor in the paint.
Im not getting into this huge fuss. It hink Eddy will be a key factor in whether the Knicks lose or win this season he'll have a big part to do with there record if he remains healthy. Is it just me or does Eddy look more fit?
I think what we have to look at here is what the Knicks are doing is getting younger.. and with youth comes patience. They have the best teacher in basketball in LB and to say Curry, or QR or JC or Ariza or Channing and the other rooks won't flourish or learn is being purely negative. H20 has hated Frye since draft day... yet his pick (Bynum) is now being shipped to the D-league... check ESPN.com. So had the Knicks gone with his pick.... they'd have one less player because he'd need serious development... versus a guy who has impressed LB, (through his own words) in training camp. Sure Q needs improvement on his shot.. but I'd take him over Tim Tomas 10 times out of 10... hell just on the fact that Tim Thomas sleep walks on the court. And for a player like Q to be like the 4th option in Phoenix and still lead the league in 3's.... you can't blame that on just jacking up shots... he took them, but he made them. And yes Buckets... Curry does look more fit... and I'm confident working with Aguirre and Herb as well as LB will kick start him into what I think will be his most productive year so far.
I think Curry is more agressive then Sweetney. He'll get to the basket and draw more fouls. In all i am happy with the deal . Knicks picked up a few bodies and Antonio Davis is a veteran brusier that will be a presence in the middle. Something the Knicks have been missing in quite some time.
