Stevie to be PG

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  1. magicdamo23

    magicdamo23 JBB JustBBall Member

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    Everyone but B.Hill has pretty much confirmed that Stevie will keep his position at PG.

    This move seemingly comes from Stevensons leaps and bounds made over the past few months, and might be seeing him starting each contest.

    My guess (OK its common opinion ;D) is that PG looks like - Stevie w/ Jameer getting some healthy minutes, SG w/ Stevenson and Dooling backing him up. Diener will provide minutes at PG should it be needed.

    Gives us a ton of options this season now, possible combos being:

    1- SF / DS
    2- JN / SF
    3- SF / KD or KD / SF
    4- JN / DS
    5- TD / SF
    6- TD / DS
    7- JN / KD
    and so on and so on

    Looks like we always have strenght in the back court no matter the time of the game, and plenty of depth should 1 get injured (w/ Dooling as a utility guard and diener as 3rd string, got alot of options)

    The actual article can be found here: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/bask...?coll=orl-magic
     
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    If Steve Francis is going to play pg, then where will Jameer and Kenyon get their minutes. Jameer and Kenyon are both small for pgs, so I guess Francis will have to defend sgs while Jameer or Kenyon defend pgs.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLue11:</div><div class="quote_post">If Steve Francis is going to play pg, then where will Jameer and Kenyon get their minutes. Jameer and Kenyon are both small for pgs, so I guess Francis will have to defend sgs while Jameer or Kenyon defend pgs.</div>
    Keyon isn't small, and the reason Jameer isn't starting is height, this is real bad for his developement though imo, i guess maybe he'll just never be a starting pg. Jameer's numbers will dip this year and he'll lose confidence, mark my words, it's sad really, he coulda been great.
     
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    They would be better of starting Francis at SG. Jameer can be a stud if he actually plays. This is another example of why he should get out of Orlando ASAP.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting playmaker15:</div><div class="quote_post">They would be better of starting Francis at SG. Jameer can be a stud if he actually plays. This is another example of why he should get out of Orlando ASAP.</div>
    WORD!
     
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    I like the move. Francis is not a shooting guard, he doesn't have the shot to be one. He is a good PG, and is better than any of the PG we have now. Jameer will get playing time just like last year, but like I said before, he is probably going to get traded. Stevenson and Dooling are going to battle it out for the 2 position. Dooling is great off the bench, he provides quick baskets, and brings energy into the game. Stevenson looked good towards the end of the season. We are going to be a better team this year, and I think we are capable of making the playoffs.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting The Flash 45:</div><div class="quote_post">We are going to be a better team this year, and I think we are capable of making the playoffs.</div>
    if hedo and grant hill wasn't injured the magics would have made the playoffs already!
     
  8. GatorsowntheNCAA

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting playmaker15:</div><div class="quote_post">They would be better of starting Francis at SG. Jameer can be a stud if he actually plays. This is another example of why he should get out of Orlando ASAP.</div>

    I would love to deal Jameer for a young SG. We would get more for him than Francis, IMO and I would like to see Jameer do good, but it's not gonna happen on the Magic.
     
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    The only way I see us using Jameer is if we use the system that Pop uses in San Antino by switching jameer in at the 5 or 6 min mark. That will give us a boost off the bench and at the same time give us some scoring. At that point take out stevenson put in jameer. At the start of the second have dooling and stevenson go out to give francis a breather. I think it could work.
     
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    Whats intersting is that I think the east has definatly become a harder place to play this year, cavs, a team that failed to make playoff's last year are a shoe in this year really with some awsome signings, that makes 10 teams really fighting, and I mean REALLY fighting for 1st - 8th. So with regards to play off's, I just want a more consistent season, that means no up and downs months, just maybe a couple of game skids, but really some pattern to the way we play.

    With regards to the back court, I LOVE jameers style, and would love to see him sit in PG for us every game, but I can see the logic thouhgh, and jameer in my eyes will get over 15mins each game, around 15 to 20, because I think that stevie will play like 20mins at the point and 10 at a combo guard role, with jameer or KD on. Stevenson starting will be great, but I think he will be a "limited minute starter", seeing prob similar minutes to Cato or something.

    Stevie is the only 1 of our guards that will demand and gain alot of minutes, over 35 a game.
     
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    Whats intersting is that I think the east has definatly become a harder place to play this year, cavs, a team that failed to make playoff's last year are a shoe in this year really with some awsome signings, that makes 10 teams really fighting, and I mean REALLY fighting for 1st - 8th. So with regards to play off's, I just want a more consistent season, that means no up and downs months, just maybe a couple of game skids, but really some pattern to the way we play.

    With regards to the back court, I LOVE jameers style, and would love to see him sit in PG for us every game, but I can see the logic thouhgh, and jameer in my eyes will get over 15mins each game, around 15 to 20, because I think that stevie will play like 20mins at the point and 10 at a combo guard role, with jameer or KD on. Stevenson starting will be great, but I think he will be a "limited minute starter", seeing prob similar minutes to Cato or something.

    Stevie is the only 1 of our guards that will demand and gain alot of minutes, over 35 a game.
     
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    Whats intersting is that I think the east has definatly become a harder place to play this year, cavs, a team that failed to make playoff's last year are a shoe in this year really with some awsome signings, that makes 10 teams really fighting, and I mean REALLY fighting for 1st - 8th. So with regards to play off's, I just want a more consistent season, that means no up and downs months, just maybe a couple of game skids, but really some pattern to the way we play.

    With regards to the back court, I LOVE jameers style, and would love to see him sit in PG for us every game, but I can see the logic thouhgh, and jameer in my eyes will get over 15mins each game, around 15 to 20, because I think that stevie will play like 20mins at the point and 10 at a combo guard role, with jameer or KD on. Stevenson starting will be great, but I think he will be a "limited minute starter", seeing prob similar minutes to Cato or something.

    Stevie is the only 1 of our guards that will demand and gain alot of minutes, over 35 a game.
     
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    GatorsowntheSEC, I'm just wondering, what would be a trade that you think we could pull off to getsomething fair for jameer, because, to be honest, we don't need any starters, i think deshawn is better than childress, and i think jameer is way better, best for the magic is keeping nelson unless a ridiculous trade happens.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheGreatK-Bob:</div><div class="quote_post">GatorsowntheSEC, I'm just wondering, what would be a trade that you think we could pull off to getsomething fair for jameer, because, to be honest, we don't need any starters, i think deshawn is better than childress, and i think jameer is way better, best for the magic is keeping nelson unless a ridiculous trade happens.</div>

    Honestly I'm not too sure. My ideal trade would be if we could get someone like a Joe Johnson type player(definetely not him now, but someone sorta in the same mold). I really haven't been paying attention to other teams this offseason, so I don't really know who's on the block and who went where, but I would like a young guy who can hit the long ball and be able to drive decently and play above average defense(not sure if they would trade someone like that for Jameer). The only people that is coming to mind right now is Jrich(although he's likely not gonna go) or Pietrus(more of the slasher/defense type) and a pick.

    My dream scenario is to get someone(or a couple people) who can drain the 3 ball(a la Nick Anderson/Dennis Scott) so Dwight can kick it out to them when he gets double teamed in the future. Like how we did in the Shaq era.
     
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    What about Pat Garrity? He is the NBA's all time leader in 3 pointer %.(Somewhere around 40%). He will really excel and benefit from this system of inside-out. We just need to play him as the 3 sometime or move Drwight to the 5 so they are on the floor at the same time. If you read the Sentinel article today about garrity it said "Shaq would love a guy like Pat" or something like that. As Dwight gets double teams and stuff no 4 will want to guard Garrity off the arch. Garrity struggled last year because he wasnt used to and he doesnt play well in an offense like that.
     
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    My suggestion would be to trade Francis while you can. First off, he has to dribble the seams of the ball to be effective. Second of all, he can't even defend smaller point guards, what makes you think he can defend bigger and stronger shooting guards. It's a catch22 situation. Let him run point, he's going over dribble, have bad shot selection, make bad decisions. Put him at the 2, he's going have bad shot selection, over dribble, and get burned by other 2guards. I say trade him, and get another bigman who's going to take some the pressure off Howard. I don't think signing Keyon Dooling was beneficial. He's talented, but why would get another guard when you already have Stevie and Nelson. I expect it's going to be some friction at the point for Orlando this season...................
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">My suggestion would be to trade Francis while you can. First off, he has to dribble the seams of the ball to be effective. Second of all, he can't even defend smaller point guards, what makes you think he can defend bigger and stronger shooting guards. It's a catch22 situation. Let him run point, he's going over dribble, have bad shot selection, make bad decisions. Put him at the 2, he's going have bad shot selection, over dribble, and get burned by other 2guards. I say trade him, and get another bigman who's going to take some the pressure off Howard. I don't think signing Keyon Dooling was beneficial. He's talented, but why would get another guard when you already have Stevie and Nelson. I expect it's going to be some friction at the point for Orlando this season...................</div>


    The thing is, Francis's stock is very low right now. Jameer's is probably better. We wouldn't get anywhere near equal value for Francis if we dealt him now. I think Brian Hill is going to take the ball out of Francis's hands more and let Grant Hill and the SG bring the ball up more often.
     

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