Whoa Stoudemire is out 4-6 months!

He apparently has a microfracture and that is pretty serious. That's a damn shame. Stoudemire started as a novelty player but added a lot of elements to his game. No one can contain that guy. If anyone can come back 100%, it's Amare. Very hard working kid.

The fact that stoudemire is out, Phoenix looks pretty bad. This looks to be their starting 5.

Nash, Raja Bell, Shawn Marion, Kurt Thomas, and Brian Grant. Considering they have minimal depth, they could be back in the lottery this year.

The W's have no excuses now, they have to make the playoffs.

 

Yeah I feel bad for him, but in a way relieved. Am I a bad guy? lol. Opens the doors a little for the Warriors.

 

I hate to see a young stud go down with such a serious injury. But this opens the west for the Warriors. Without Amare the Suns will be a good team but not a division leader. These micro fracture injuries have slowed Alan Houston and Jason Kidd. I hope the young man recovers smoothly.

Can anyone explain why these micro-fractures are so slow to heal.

 

I couldn't find much on microfracture rehab, but from the looks of it the reason why it takes so long is that the surgery tries to create an environment where cartilage will grow. After the surgery, in addition to the normal post-op rehab, the patient has to wait for the cartilage to grow.

This is all I could really find:

Microfracture
Overview
This technique involves discrete penetrations of the bone at the cartilage defect in order to provide a suitable environment for tissue growth. Through the use of these penetrations in the bone (subchondral plate) the appropriate environment is established for a type of cartilage to grow.

Read Frequently Asked Questions about Microfracture here.


Detailed Description
An arthroscopic "pick" (awl) is utilized to make the "microfractures" . The key to the entire procedure is the formation of a "super clot" which helps in readying the appropriate environment for cartilage growth. As with any procedure looking to repair compromised articular cartilage the post-operative regimen is very central to the success of this procedure. Initial studies show that the use of a machine to move the knee (Continuous Passive Motion (CPM) ) after surgery improves the quality of the tissue produced.

In a 7 year follow-up study it was noted that 75 % of patients considered themselves improved at both 3 and 5 years. 67% of patients felt that their ability to carry out activities of daily living and strenuous work was also improved. Patients with combined injuries (cocomitant mensical, ACL, etc., injury) appeared to have superior results at 5 years versus patients with isolated cartilage injury. After 5 years both groups appear to do similarly. Pain appears to be the most consistently improved parameter.

Negative predictors to a good outcome were identified to be: advanced age, preoperative joint space narrowing and isolated cartilage defects. I addition, as noted previously, CPM after surgery significantly improves results. Unfortunately there are no large randomized, controlled studies of this procedure. As with other subchondral penetration techniques, there is a reliance on a "repair type cartilage" for repair of the lesion. This cartilage is somewhat inferior to the "normal" cartilage but is felt still be adequate to restore knee function.

Plus this FAQ:

http://www.knee1.com/reference/faq10.cfm/17

 

Just got off the phone with my dad (he's a doctor). He said that with micrfracture the kind that Stoudamire has, any aggrivation will "undo" the effects of the sugery. He dumbed it down for me and said, "think of it as if you have a pice of wood with lots of little slivers. And one that's cracked down the middle. The one with the big crack, you can easily bond together, but the little ones take more care and patience. A little torque on the wood and it opens everything back up again and the healing process has to start over again.

 

thanks for the great research CH. Yeah I just feel bad right now in a Tiger Woods feels bad for John Daly kind of way. That starting 5 looks very ordinary right now. I didn't think they were gonna be nearly as good anyway without Qrich and JJ opening the driving lanes and JJ serving as another ballhandler. This sucks. What this does for the Warriors is change their goals. The goal is the Pacific Division for sure right now. Monty better get ready and forget all his just win more than you lose nonsense. We just gotta stay healthy.

 

Noooo! So the earliest he could come back is just before the all-star game. Sad news for the Suns.

 

Thanks to both CohanHater and WTwalker.

I'm so glad we don't have to worry about Amare and Nash beating us for the next couple of months (even though we play against the Suns in regular season pretty competitively. It definitely helps our chances in making the playoffs if we now have the ability to sweep them rather than lose or stay even).

There's still a slim chance Amare could play this season depending on his body, but we never know how serious it is. The Suns organization might have him sit out all or most of the year just to be safe. With that much money invested in him, he better stay put and have more than one prognosis made on his knee. A 12 mil a year player is a pretty big investment. That's Chris Webber type money.

Didn't someone in our JBB league, draft Amare? Sucks for him. That guy was one amazing dude for me in fantasy ball. Extremely consistent too with Nash in the offense.

P.S. Thanks to upsidedownside for starting the post.

 

Isn't Webber getting like 20?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">
Didn't someone in our JBB league, draft Amare? Sucks for him. That guy was one amazing dude for me in fantasy ball. Extremely consistent too with Nash in the offense.</div>
...I did, at least in the one we're both in. I'm trying to dump him to someone who doesn't know about Amare's condition yet.

 

Bad for Amare and the Suns. That will step them back a lot IMO. 40 is going to be hard for them if Amare changes them a lot. Division up for grabs now.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">...I did, at least in the one we're both in. I'm trying to dump him to someone who doesn't know about Amare's condition yet.</div>

Oh bummer dude. Hmm let's talk trades. I could always use a guy on the IR that will look good on paper. Then I can claim to others outside the league that I had an all-star laden team, but I had tough luck.

 

I would be worried of his future. Players like penny hardaway and Kidd had the same type of surgery and never fully recovered. The best part of Amare's game is explosiveness, and the surgery might hurt it. Penny was never the same. His career was ruined with the injury.

 

Does anyone here think the injury happened because he was too undersized playing center? I mean despite his strength, he's so young and he's really not meant to bang against bigger bodies for 82 games in a season. Plus, there's all that running...

 

Hate to see a guy like that go down for so long. He really is one of my favorite players in the league currently. Good luck to him and the Suns, just not on our account. Injuries happen and I am sure no one will give a darn if Baron or Jrich go down for us except Warriors fans...

 

that sucks for the suns because that is like their best pf and player.so their defence is going to have to step up

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting $Quan$:</div><div class="quote_post">that sucks for the suns because that is like their best pf and player.so their defence is going to have to step up</div>

At least Nash didn't go down. If you really think about their offense, Nash is still the heart of the team like he was on Dallas.

 

Didn't Dallas win more games after Nash left?

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Does anyone here think the injury happened because he was too undersized playing center? I mean despite his strength, he's so young and he's really not meant to bang against bigger bodies for 82 games in a season. Plus, there's all that running...</div>I have a hard time believing that. If he wasn't playing Center he would be playing PF and would still be banging and running the floor, thats his game and that is the Sun's game.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">Didn't Dallas win more games after Nash left?</div>

True, but in 2002-03, they were awesome. I think Dallas' chemistry was screwed up when they had Antwan Jamison and Antoine Walker and they lost Nick Van Exel. When you have two point guards that can make plays happen on the open floor, the Coach Nelson Dallas offense runs more smoothly.

The Mavericks were probably a lot better than the year before last with them improving on defense and not having so many high volume scorers on the floor to jack up the ball. Having a true center helps and guys like Josh Howard and Marquis Daniels are stepping up. Also, Jason Terry is pretty good for a shooting guard converted into a point guard and of course Dirk Nowitzki is one of these guys you can't take out of the game because he rebounds like a center and dribbles and shoots like a guard.