<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">10. Richard Jefferson (Nets) - RJ has done nothing but improve every year he has been in the league, becoming more and more of a complete player. We never got to see him play at 100 percent with both Kidd and Carter last season, so no one knows how dangerous they can be together. The Nets should be a very exciting team to watch this season. RJ might not get any Most Improved love, but we're still excited to see him healthy and running alongside Kidd and Carter</div> Source http://www.nba.com/preview2005/poweroften_...rookies_05.html
Livingston #1? Seriously, am I the only one who thinks this guy is seriously overrated. He's about as athletic as a tree, he's 6'8" and can't dunk.
You're not alone, I also happen to think Livingston is trash (at least at the fourth pick last year, but hey, what do you expect from the clippers), way worse than Telfair, who is way worse than Jameer Nelson. Very much of a reach at 4 last year to me. But hey, if their logic is right he's gonna beamazing, because height isall that matters and he's 6'8 point guard. Actual bball abillity never mattered to anyone.
You guys probably haven't gotten to see Livingston showcase his skills much. He has great court vision, and distributes the ball where it needs to be very well for a kid his age. His height also causes problems with the defense. And remember, he's still very young, he's only bound to become better. He might not be better than Nelson at this point, but he did just as well as Telfair last year. He didn't score as well, but was a superior passer and rebounder. Because though of his Clipper status no one really payed attention to him, even though he had a good rookie season. As for Jefferson, I can't wait to see how effective he can be this year. He seemed very unselfish in his first pre-season game. His assists will go up, even though scoring might drop a bit.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting virve119:</div><div class="quote_post">Livingston #1? Seriously, am I the only one who thinks this guy is seriously overrated. He's about as athletic as a tree, he's 6'8" and can't dunk.</div> Livingston doesn't have a 40+ inch vertical or anything, but he's tall and long, of course he can dunk, he can do some nice ones to, but that's the stupidest thing I've heard. Dunking doesn't make a good basketball player, if it did, Andre Emmett would be a star right now. Outside of that, while he's not extremely explosive, or a "high jumper", he's extremely quick and fast at 6'7, I'm pretty sure quickness and speed are part of athletic ability. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You're not alone, I also happen to think Livingston is trash (at least at the fourth pick last year, but hey, what do you expect from the clippers), way worse than Telfair, who is way worse than Jameer Nelson. Very much of a reach at 4 last year to me. But hey, if their logic is right he's gonna beamazing, because height isall that matters and he's 6'8 point guard. Actual bball abillity never mattered to anyone.</div> To both you and virve, did you even watch the guy play, or are you doing the bad thing, and looking at stats without knowing the situation or watching the player? I'm assuming the second option is right, because up till now, I haven't seen anyone who watched Livingston play during the end of the season [when he was actually getting minutes], and was not impressed. Livingston now is somehow WAY worse than Telfair who has shown nothing yet except being high up in the league in turnovers PER 48 mins, while averaging minimal assists, and WAY worse than Jameer who didn't do anything extremely special in his rookie year either, wow, very interesting. Let me explain to you why they want to see Livingston. 1) He only played 30 games last season, not many people who aren't Clipper fans got to see him, as you guys are showing, and many have heard so much, but not seen. 2) He's a very exciting player, and that's without dunking, he throws passes you wouldn't even see coming. 3) After coming back from injury, and to end the season, he averaged 11 PPG, 4.4 RPG, 7.4 APG, 1.4 SPG, 2.9 TPG, and 44% FG. A good amount of his turnovers during the year were from him finding teamamtes with passing in situations where they didn't even think the ball could get to them. Jameer Nelson can score better, but he's not that exciting a player, and he played 79 games. You won't find him getting many highlight reels unless he's just passing to Howard and having him to his thing. Telfair, while he's nice also didn't show as much flair as Shaun, and also played 68 games, while we haven't seen as much of him, we've seen a lot less of Shaun.
The contrary sir, I acknowledge shaun has already proven me wrong, I've done so on other boards, but I still think his overall tallent and eventual stardom is less than that of telfair, who is certainly better pound for pound inch for inch. I love Nelson's game and I think he's the best young pg out there, if he gets his chance to start he will impress. The thing about livingston is a lotta people overrate him, I am nowconvinced he'll be consistant, but comparisons to Magic are completely unfounded and based purely on height, which is overrated.
