Todays column in the Contra Costa times reiterates, Fisher's unhappiness with his role. By using the media to level your not being content with your role on the team, says to me that there's a problem. It might not be a big problem, and he did say all the things you're supposed to like," I'll do whatever the team needs me to do". "I'll play wherever they want me to". He thinks he should be starting, which most guys believe they should be starting, but not on this team Fish. Lets trade him to the 76ers, who need veteran help at both guard positions. Or back to the Lakers, their desparate for a point guard. Fish knows the triangle, and was a favorite of Jacksons. Please don't give me the tired argument about "what if Baron goes down?". If Baron goes down we are in big trouble. I doubt Fisher would save that ship. I'd rather see Pietrus, Ellis, and Miles grab those minutes, so that they can develope much sooner. Pietrus would grab most of the time. This would allow for Ellis to play a little 2 guard as well. Miles would be given limited time to run this offense as more of a true point guard. Also food for thought. Tim Hardaway is keeping himself ready in case a contender calls. He's 39 and can still play. He said he'd only go to a team that has a chance. Maybe he can fill a role similar to what Avery Johnson did for us. A player coach type of role. An emergency backup, who at one time was a great player. Definitely knows how to run a team. Freind of Mullin, roots in the bay, wants to be a GM someday, would be a good learning experience with his old team-mates.
I believe you're just interpreting it one way. Heres the full article for everyone to read: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AvUS...night&type=lgns
I read the article this morning and I was not alarmed with it nearly as much as I was alarmed by Pietrus' comments. I think Fisher came here because we paid him more money than any other team was willing to pay him. We paid him that money because we thought his role would be more significant than that of a reserve player. But when we brought Baron on board it was a situation where both Speedy and Fisher were not getting the job done. The Baron trade was a once in a lifetime offer that was too good to pass up. If Fisher played as well as he thinks he can play we would not have needed to make that trade. But guess what Fish, you did not and still are not, so accept your role. If you want a trade, come out and tell Mullin. I am sure he could make something work. If your ego is too large to accept a role on an up and coming team who will be very exciting and fun to play for while being a contender for a playoff spot and possibly a championship, then maybe you can spend some time playing for the Hawks or Oklahoma City Hornets...
A lot of us are not happy with Fisher's role. We however think he has too much role,but unless Fish offers to renegotiate so his salary is a couple mill less and the contract a year shorter we all just need to get used to it. Fisher is okay,he's a backup PG and obviously backup PG's are not as good as starting PG's,as a rule. He can't get any younger and probably won't get any better-and I doubt he wants to get cheaper.
Well Fisher ought to know by now we don't have a big man in the middle to set him up the way Shaq would. Also, the closest thing to Kobe in a 6'6 guard form is Mickael Pietrus, but he does a lot of things wrong when it comes to decision making on both ends. He's a good defender, but he'll often pick up dumb fouls that could have been avoided.
Well, in one hand, it's good to hear that Fisher wants to suck it up and play in a given role. After all, he was promised to start and expected to have a larger role when he signed with us. In other hand, a lot of misfortunes are caused from him. He couldn't beat out Speedy for starting job, and his job as back up PG makes with/without Davis like a day and a night. At this rate, who says back up PG duty isn't in danger?
As a back up I think Fisher is good, and he's accepted that role. So I dunno why everyone seems to rag on him. What other team has a back up PG with 3 rings and can hit clutch shots?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">As a back up I think Fisher is good, and he's accepted that role. So I dunno why everyone seems to rag on him. What other team has a back up PG with 3 rings and can hit clutch shots?</div>Yea but how many other teams are paying their backup PG that kind of salary?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">As a back up I think Fisher is good, and he's accepted that role. So I dunno why everyone seems to rag on him. What other team has a back up PG with 3 rings and can hit clutch shots?</div> If Fisher gets 3 mils per year instead of 6 mils, I think most of people are happy...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">At this rate, who says back up PG duty isn't in danger?</div> When will he have to start looking over his shoulder for Monta or Miles? <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post"> If Fisher gets 3 mils per year instead of 6 mils, I think most of people are happy...</div> I know I would especially if it was for a year or 2 less total time too...
I said this last year on the forum, but I never knew Fisher was so dumb, he makes a lot of bad decisions when he runs the point, he hoists up a lot of dumb shots, and on D he still tries to get the flop-charge call way too much. But nevertheless I am glad he is our back-up and I have no problem with him playing 18 minutes, and he will help us once we get to the playoffs, he'll be able to keep the younger guys from getting too amped up and be a steady calming influence.
I was hoping you'd guys mention his salary. Hate the salary, not the player. Say IF he did get 3 mil a year, we'd all be damn happy and saying we have a awesome back up PG. But because of his salary, he's all of a sudden bad.
Derek Fisher never was, or is a point guard. In Los Angeles he didn't have to make any decisions with the basketball and he's terrible at creating shots and finishing layups. I think the Warriors initially signed him, because Fisher had playoff experience, knew what it took to win, and was a great character to have in the locker room. Fisher also brought defense in Los Angeles, but every since his foot injury, his lateral quickness has never been the same. I think he still has trade value, but the Warriors would have to take a bad contract in return and/or give up a young talent.
No point in trading a bad contract for another bad contract when we need a back up PG, since we have no other reliable back up besides Fisher.
Poor Fish Fisher would seriously help out the Lakers right now. He has to feel like he got dicked a bit by Golden State though, going to a struggling team thinking he could run the show as they develop JRich and their forwards but then they go get Baron Davis.
Fisher is a starting point guard on a lot of teams in the League, however not all teams have Baron Davis. I really believe that a return to LaLa Land would be the best choice for Fish, but what could the Lakers Offer?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">I was hoping you'd guys mention his salary. Hate the salary, not the player. Say IF he did get 3 mil a year, we'd all be damn happy and saying we have a awesome back up PG. But because of his salary, he's all of a sudden bad.</div> Majority of blame should go to Mullin for thinking that... 1. Fisher is a starting PG material, and we had to overpay still PG desperate Houston to take Fisher away. 2. Fisher is better than Speedy. 3. Fisher is worth 36 mils for 6 years, and made him essentially untradable for years to come. But, it's the nature of fans to expect that 6 mils per year player should play like 6 mils per year, whether it's fair for that player or not. Also, if we have unlimited budget like Mavs, we wouldn't mind Fisher's salary that much. But, we do not have much room for an error in terms of finance, and because we are overpaying Fisher, we may not utilize that money to resign our young players. Not everything is Fisher's fault, but then that's how it works...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheMegaGreg:</div><div class="quote_post">Fisher is a starting point guard on a lot of teams in the League, however not all teams have Baron Davis. I really believe that a return to LaLa Land would be the best choice for Fish, but what could the Lakers Offer?</div> It's impossible to trade him to the Lakers, because they don't want any contracts which extend pass 2007. A great fit for Fisher would be the Knicks, 76ers, or Cavs.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">Majority of blame should go to Mullin for thinking that... 1. Fisher is a starting PG material, and we had to overpay still PG desperate Houston to take Fisher away. 2. Fisher is better than Speedy. 3. Fisher is worth 36 mils for 6 years, and made him essentially untradable for years to come. </div> It's true Mullin overpaid and it is his fault but last year in the paper's Monty was crapping himself to get Fisher. Couldn't blame him but when the W's couldn't land Barry, they got anxious to sign a vet and overpaid. I like Fisher more than Foyle but I think Fish is the first to go, especially if the W's get a cheaper solution to play backup point.
Yeah, Monty was high on Fisher for some reason, and that's one of the main reason why we went bidding war to take Fisher. I guess it really didn't last long, since Monty couldn't even start Fisher in starting role. One thing I wondered about either Barry or Fisher at that time was why did we try to get another guard with 6 mils per year, when we were able to gain about 20 mils caproom next offseason, we already had Speedy, Richardson, and Pietrus, and our weakness was F/C, not G at that time. Of course, we signed/resigned Fisher, Foyle, Richardson and Murphy, and got Davis in the middle season, so talk of caproom became moot point very quickly. I wonder what Barry is thinking right now. Sure, he got the ring, but not only he didn't get mins he wanted last season, now he will be buried deep in the bench by additions of Finley and NVE...
