I wouldnt say that this loss is too embarassing, Maccabi is the best team in Europe, and I would claim that they are on an NBA level. Maccabi has some pretty good players, and they also have a great team chemistry, which is something many NBA teams does not have. In addition to that, their fan support is just great. If you thought that game was loud, wait 'till you see Maccabi at their home arena... One thing about european teams is that they show their appreciation for their fans; they usualy stay at the court for a while after the game, unlike many NBA teams, who just head for the locker room as soon as the final whistle blows. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">if them being beaten by amatuer european players is going to define the raptors season, their in for alot of trouble.</div> That's pretty ignorant. Amateur: # A person who engages in an art, science, study, or athletic activity as a pastime rather than as a profession. # Sports. An athlete who has never accepted money, or who accepts money under restrictions specified by a regulatory body, for participating in a competition. These guys are professionals, they get paid to play...
This loss = Failure Bill for Babcock. Even before the start of the season, we have to change something!!! Rob talking about hopes! what the hell he's talking about ?! You know what?, i HOPE he will be gone by 2006 draft, that's the minimum i can ask for. Plan??? i the plan is first pick in the draft of 2006...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bahir:</div><div class="quote_post">I wouldnt say that this loss is too embarassing, Maccabi is the best team in Europe, and I would claim that they are on an NBA level. Maccabi has some pretty good players, and they also have a great team chemistry, which is something many NBA teams does not have. In addition to that, their fan support is just great. If you thought that game was loud, wait 'till you see Maccabi at their home arena... One thing about european teams is that they show their appreciation for their fans; they usualy stay at the court for a while after the game, unlike many NBA teams, who just head for the locker room as soon as the final whistle blows. That's pretty ignorant. Amateur: # A person who engages in an art, science, study, or athletic activity as a pastime rather than as a profession. # Sports. An athlete who has never accepted money, or who accepts money under restrictions specified by a regulatory body, for participating in a competition. These guys are professionals, they get paid to play...</div> oh my bad, i assumed they were similar to olympic players, who are considered amatuer athletes.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SoSoDef:</div><div class="quote_post">that is embarassing, losing to a european club team</div> So Israel is in Europe now? lol
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shootingmachine:</div><div class="quote_post">So Israel is in Europe now? lol</div> Well technicly in sports yeah... they play in Euro zone in most of sports....
I agree with Bahir, I wouldn't be to down about this loss. The players on Maccabi are not as talented, but they've been playing together for a longer period of time and had more to gain from this experience. The Raptors are still trying to figure out how their new pieces fit in and no matter how hard Sam Mitchell was pushing to win this game, it's still preseason. Mentally players are not all there in preseason and don't get amped up before the games.
Warning-Some steriotyping will be present in this post. Okay, Maccabi is a good "European" team. They arent a bunch of amateurs or a sucky team with players that cant make the NBA. I think it is a combination of them being good and the Raptors being bad. No offense but I think the Raptors are one of the worst teams in the East. Bosh is great but other than that I just see young, unproven talent. Rose is getting too old to really do too much (although he does give them something). Anyways... I've never heard of an Asian basketball league. They would have the Southeast asians who would be really short other than Yao Ming.(Most chinese/japanese etc. are 5-6 feet tall). You would have the Indians, the Muslims from the Middle East. The Israeli's. You would have Russians with 15/15 players white. Dont see that being a great league . (I have nothing against any of those nationalities and as I said I am steriotyping them) Best of luck to toronto...They need it.*Prepares for flames*
Very bad for the Raps and the league in general. Their best player was cut by the Magic and has proved he can not play at the NBA level. That guy being Anthony Parker. Marco Baston the same applies. Even If Saras was still there It would be a disgrace the fact he isn't makes It worse.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting OrlandoMagicFan:</div><div class="quote_post">Rose is getting too old to really do too much (although he does give them something). </div> Care to expand? I don't really get what you're saying. Well I do somewhat...but it doesn't really make sense.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting OrlandoMagicFan:</div><div class="quote_post">Warning-Some steriotyping will be present in this post. Okay, Maccabi is a good "European" team. They arent a bunch of amateurs or a sucky team with players that cant make the NBA. I think it is a combination of them being good and the Raptors being bad. No offense but I think the Raptors are one of the worst teams in the East. Bosh is great but other than that I just see young, unproven talent. Rose is getting too old to really do too much (although he does give them something). Anyways... I've never heard of an Asian basketball league. They would have the Southeast asians who would be really short other than Yao Ming.(Most chinese/japanese etc. are 5-6 feet tall). You would have the Indians, the Muslims from the Middle East. The Israeli's. You would have Russians with 15/15 players white. Dont see that being a great league . (I have nothing against any of those nationalities and as I said I am steriotyping them) Best of luck to toronto...They need it.*Prepares for flames*</div> Not really, most Chinese are actually tall. Just wait a few years and you will see an influx of 7foot players coming out of China. Most Chinese in the Northern part of the country are considerably tall.
I think it is mainly Raptors team - youth + no chemistry + preseason(no motivation) Maccabi - best non-North American team - Saras + chemistry = very close loss I think this is just an excellent example which shows that chemistry is incredibly important in basketball, because that Maccabi team has no player who deserves to be in the nba(talent wise). I don't think this says anything new about the upcoming Raptors season, most people have placed low expectations on us, so we can only go up from here.
Lets not go overboard here. We pretty much know coming into this season that it's development time and hopefully a huge break out year for bosh. Given that this loss isn't exactly a good sign but no one is expecting us to make the playoffs this year so who cares. Our record will probably be similar to last years but we'll show signs of promise (hopefully) and have something to cheer for in the future. No point of starting fire babcock talk over one game.
yes allnet but u are forgeting that our best player on our team that day, mike james was a backup on the rockets last year. bosh put up the number but james was the dude that kept the raps close late in the fourth quarter. plus, as aforementioned-sam mitchell just incites he doesn't really coach; the other team had coaching advantage as well
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I wouldnt say that this loss is too embarassing, Maccabi is the best team in Europe, and I would claim that they are on an NBA level. Maccabi has some pretty good players, and they also have a great team chemistry, which is something many NBA teams does not have. In addition to that, their fan support is just great. If you thought that game was loud, wait 'till you see Maccabi at their home arena... One thing about european teams is that they show their appreciation for their fans; they usualy stay at the court for a while after the game, unlike many NBA teams, who just head for the locker room as soon as the final whistle blows.</div> You mean best team in Europe but without their best player, and no, they aren't on an NBA level. While they're good, most of their players wouldn't make it on an most NBA teams, yet alone be starters. They're a good team, but without their best player, losing to them is defiantely embarassing.
I have the game on tape... Raptors fans im sorry but you have the worst team in the league from what i saw. With all due respect to Maccabi i must say that they are just a team of NBA drop-outs who were'nt good enough to hold on in bottom team's benches including Toronto. Macabbi didnt play like a team in most of the game - Toronto had the same number of assists+- and every nba dropout from Maccabi just had to give a showcase as why he needs to be in the NBA(especially Baston). In Addition its a fact that Toronto wins in every place in the roster aginst maccabi. Wanna know why The Raptors still lost the game? - 2 reasons: 1)when they had the adventage they didnt even defend like they should have defended. 2)Because Sam Mitchell runs one of the ugliest offences ive ever seen if not the ugliest (and that includes teams from israel and Europe). Last year when i read Mo' pete say:"We have no plays where guys move, we just stand in one spot like we did last year." i didnt believe it but yesterday i understood exactly what he meant,its quite funny really -it looked like an 8 year old is playing nba live or something. Example for a Toranto "play" last night: Rose gets the ball from behind the 3 point line,all the other players are keeping their position without moving--->Rose is trying to dribble to the basket by himself--->Maccabi activates zone D--->and a turnover by Rose!(all the other guys are thinking about the meaning of life while all this happens). Btw:Rose and James were blocked one after the other by a 6'8 israeli center,if you can see these 2 pics somewhere on the net PM me i wanna make a sig from it...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rod:</div><div class="quote_post"> Because Sam Mitchell runs one of the ugliest offences ive ever seen if not the ugliest (and that includes teams from israel and Europe). </div> Ya Mitchell never really struck me as an X's and O's kind of coach like O'neil was. But he's still getting experience and hopefully he can pick up on that later on. It really sucked last year when we would get absolutely killed out of a timeout on a set play. In terms of running the offense in general, i dunno, i'd say still improving. Mo Pete's quote about no plays where people actually move is rediculous. He's quilty of not moving himself anyways. Bottem line is that too often the raptors just settle for the open shot instead of getting the ball down low or taking it to the hoop.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting a13x:</div><div class="quote_post">Ya Mitchell never really struck me as an X's and O's kind of coach like O'neil was. But he's still getting experience and hopefully he can pick up on that later on. It really sucked last year when we would get absolutely killed out of a timeout on a set play. In terms of running the offense in general, i dunno, i'd say still improving. Mo Pete's quote about no plays where people actually move is rediculous. He's quilty of not moving himself anyways. Bottem line is that too often the raptors just settle for the open shot instead of getting the ball down low or taking it to the hoop.</div> Maybe im wrong but i think that when youre a coach in the NBA its a little too late to START learning things... The ball should move more and players needs to move more in order to have a good offence,especially when the other team is playing zone its stupid to give the ball to one player and expect him to do everything while all the others are watching him insted of drawing interest or trying to get open more often. If only Rip Hemilton was a Raptor...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rod:</div><div class="quote_post"> -it looked like an 8 year old is playing nba live or something. Example for a Toranto "play" last night: Rose gets the ball from behind the 3 point line,all the other players are keeping their position without moving--->Rose is trying to dribble to the basket by himself--->Maccabi activates zone D--->and a turnover by Rose!(all the other guys are thinking about the meaning of life while all this happens).</div> I didn't see the game but I couldn't ignore the good writing here. I love the NBA, but If coaches and players don't embrace more team play, the NBA will only qualify as "World Champions" in their own mind.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rod:</div><div class="quote_post"> Btw:Rose and James were blocked one after the other by a 6'8 israeli center,if you can see these 2 pics somewhere on the net PM me i wanna make a sig from it...</div> I have the videos if you can do something with it. ON JALEN ON JAMES
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Proz4k:</div><div class="quote_post">I have the videos if you can do something with it. ON JALEN ON JAMES</div> Thanx alot dude,even if i cant do nothing with it ive been searching for the vids. EDIT:Vids dont work,10x anyway... BTW: now Maccabi's coach said to the TorantoStar that "american coaches gets money to sit down and let the players do all the work" - one example is PHil Jackson according to him. I really hate this (racist) guy,ive wanted the Raps to win so much cuz now all the morons around here says that Europe=NBA which is really annoying...now i hope Orlando will win Maccabi by 40 in their nxt game.
