<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Sam Mitchell Coach -- Toronto Raptors Who better to coach the most dysfunctional team we could dream up than a coach who reportedly regularly challenged his own players to fight him last season? He got so deep under the skin of former Raptor Vince Carter that Carter's mother said the All-Star slammed the coach into a trainer's room massage table (an account that was termed playful "wrestling" by Carter). Mitchell also got into such a heated argument with then-Raptors point guard Rafer Alston at halftime of a game last season that Alston was escorted to the team bus by security.</div> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedi...content.13.html
Mitchell does have a temper that needs to be controlled because he needs to realize that players like Bosh or CV will ultimately get their way if hey get in a bit of a "beef." I never knew VC got that angry. Daaaaaamn my boi put apoundin on the pimp suit wearing coach.
To everyone that reads this know that its pure bullshit. No Vince did not get in a fight with Mitchell. Vinces mommy said that it happened and that Alvin would back up her story but he said that he hasnt talked to her in a while and that nothing like that ever happened. That Mitchell still thinks he can play so he trash talks the players in a joking playful manner and sometimes there's been playful fighting and pushing but nothing in the realm of a physical altercation. This is Vince and his crazy mommies story lol and SI bought it haha. Who would actually believe that Vince could become physical like that, he'd probably go sulk if anything. j/k, but you know he's not that type of guy...hes to mellow, to the detriment of his game sometimes. The Alston thing happened but can you really blame Mitchell for getting as irrate as he sometimes did? Alston was a never ending head case, if he's not talking about quiting the league he's jacking up 10 3 pointers in a row while Bosh has no one within 10 feet of him. Mitchell is an in your face kind of coach..there are alot of them in the league. Mitchell is young and only a few years retired from the league. He's far from graceful in his approach but he will in time become more of a traditional coach but retaining his tenacity. I've never read anything about a quality player (and by that i mean effort and attitude) having a problem with Mitchell. Bosh is high on him, as is Mo Pete. Jalen has his beefs, but Jalen is Jalen you know? Lamond had his beefs but pfft..lol. Alston was for sure because he just couldnt handle that type of coach, i'm not sure he can handle any coach. And then of course theres Vince, but we know about his deal last year, and even with what Vince was doing or rather what he wasnt doing, Mitchell never had any serious public issues with Carter. In My opinion Mitchell is EXACTLY what the Raptors needed last year and to a lesser extent this year. Someone to root out the slackers and the selfish players..root them out, expose them, and reward those that try there best rather than those that are paid the most or are the bigger stars (ie. benching Vince in 4th quarters, moving Jalen to the bench)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting playmaker15:</div><div class="quote_post">Mitchell does have a temper that needs to be controlled because he needs to realize that players like Bosh or CV will ultimately get their way if hey get in a bit of a "beef." I never knew VC got that angry. Daaaaaamn my boi put apoundin on the pimp suit wearing coach.</div> Unfortunetely, your one of the many people who have been fooled by the media. Vince and Sam never got into a fight. Alston was a headcase who would never listen and just keep shooting. Jalen just got plain annoying last year at times. Just read 02civics post. Mitchell is going to be a solid coach in the league.
It's unfair to label Mitchell as a instigator, considering the circumstances that he had to deal with in his first season as a head coach. He's only asked for the basics from his players: work hard, play defense, move the ball, rebound. And, unfortunately, he had to deal with players who wouldn't do those: VC phoned it in, Rose never played defense, Alston distribute the ball, Woods/Hoffa wouldn't rebound. Add to that, how many conflicting attitudes there were in that locker room, and IMO blaming him entirely for the problems would be like blaming Phil Jackson for the personality issues the Lakers had in '04. I mean, Mitchell benched Alston after he committed a flagrant foul, and Alston had a fit. What was he supposed to do? I doubt that very many coaches in the NBA wouldn't have asked the same from his players. However, I have a problem with how Mitchell sometimes called out specific players during the season. You can talk about how the team isn't playing good, but when you call out an individual it does more harm than good.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">To everyone that reads this know that its pure bullshit. No Vince did not get in a fight with Mitchell. Vinces mommy said that it happened and that Alvin would back up her story but he said that he hasnt talked to her in a while and that nothing like that ever happened. That Mitchell still thinks he can play so he trash talks the players in a joking playful manner and sometimes there's been playful fighting and pushing but nothing in the realm of a physical altercation. This is Vince and his crazy mommies story lol and SI bought it haha. Who would actually believe that Vince could become physical like that, he'd probably go sulk if anything. j/k, but you know he's not that type of guy...hes to mellow, to the detriment of his game sometimes. </div> <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Unfortunetely, your one of the many people who have been fooled by the media. Vince and Sam never got into a fight. Alston was a headcase who would never listen and just keep shooting. Jalen just got plain annoying last year at times. Just read 02civics post. Mitchell is going to be a solid coach in the league.</div> I know the media is not always totally reliable, but they do have inside sources and NBA informants. Do you? Don't act like you know what the situation was because you don't. The media might like to play things up a bit, but honestly, it's pretty likely that they know a lot more than most of us.
I think we’re just getting waxed because it’s an easy solution to label a coach of a team which has gone through a lot of turmoil as one of the problems. Look how nuts O’neil was the year before… Sam Mitchell looks completely sane compared to that guy. Obviously he’s being put in a tough situation trying to get a team that has struggled in the past to rebound. Conflict is going to happen. But how are we supposed to win in the future unless someone comes in and tries to make drastic changes to players’ attitudes and habits? I don’t agree with everything he has said in the past. It seems like sometimes he tries to deliver a message to his players through the media, which I don’t like. But he’s a young coach and he should improve from his mistakes so I’m not overly worried about his performance yet. When you have players like Alston (who’s hard to manage), Carter (who has an on/off switch apparently), Lamond Murray (who goes and talks trash about the coach behind his back), Loren Woods and Eric Williams (who complain about not getting PT even though they don’t contribute anything) what do you expect from the coach????
Mitchell sometimes needs to act more like a coach and less like another player. I don't like how he talks to the media, he doesn't really do a good job in that area, and it affects how the team relates to and respects him. He has a bit of an ego in that he hasn't yet realized it's a players league. I know their's all these people preaching tough coach blah blah, but if you can't get along with players, your head coaching days will not last long. He can be a bit of an instigator, but considering all the other coaches in the league, and their not being that many who had problems like these, who else did they have to pick? It's really not a big deal, I expect him to improve this season, and hopefully he can improve his X/O's, and have more movement in our offense. Watching Phoenix play, and I'm not talking about when Nash is in the game, through the whole game, as long as their's someone willing to drive and dish, the team moves, spots up and cuts so well that they get so many open shots and layups, it's amazing.
this is just stupid.. Mitchell is one of the best coaches raps have had in history i really like this guy..and IMO he was one of babcock's best moves last year i think he is the coach that can turn the raps around!
Virve119 - "I know the media is not always totally reliable, but they do have inside sources and NBA informants. Do you? Don't act like you know what the situation was because you don't. The media might like to play things up a bit, but honestly, it's pretty likely that they know a lot more than most of us." What does this even mean??? Because that they know more about issues unrelated to the Carter-Mitchell and Alston-Mitchell fiasco that makes it ok that they post untruths also? Or that since they know more than me in general i'm not allowed to argue against any of what they say? Does the media know more than i know about what happened with Carter and Mitchell in that training room? No the must not or else they wouldnt of spread that tripe which has been denied by Alvin Williams, Sam Mitchell and Vince Carter..all saying it was just playing around. I do know what the situation was, i heard it from the mouths of the people involved via live television coverage (yes...media). Next time you want to spill some crap out about how we cant argue what the media says JUST because they know more about different things in general.....DONT. Everyone that reads this could find 10 articles in the newspaper each week that they could argue they know more about the issue involved than the stooge that wrote it.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting virve119:</div><div class="quote_post">I know the media is not always totally reliable, but they do have inside sources and NBA informants. Do you? Don't act like you know what the situation was because you don't. The media might like to play things up a bit, but honestly, it's pretty likely that they know a lot more than most of us.</div> It's actually probably not true. The Sun probably doesn't know much more than any of us, because they will publish anything that hits their desk to make sales and spread rumours. So anything the Sun hears about the Raptors tends to be printed the next day or whatever and they tend to put deceiving titles and miscontrue situations.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What does this even mean??? Because that they know more about issues unrelated to the Carter-Mitchell and Alston-Mitchell fiasco that makes it ok that they post untruths also? Or that since they know more than me in general i'm not allowed to argue against any of what they say? Does the media know more than i know about what happened with Carter and Mitchell in that training room? No the must not or else they wouldnt of spread that tripe which has been denied by Alvin Williams, Sam Mitchell and Vince Carter..all saying it was just playing around. I do know what the situation was, i heard it from the mouths of the people involved via live television coverage (yes...media). Next time you want to spill some crap out about how we cant argue what the media says JUST because they know more about different things in general.....DONT. Everyone that reads this could find 10 articles in the newspaper each week that they could argue they know more about the issue involved than the stooge that wrote it.</div> How do you know Alvin didn't just make those comments to defend his coach? Of course he's not just going to come right out and say that the coach of his current team got in a fight. And obviously VC and Mitchell will deny it becuase it would hurt both of their reps. I'm not saying that they for sure got in a fight, because I don't know the scenario. BUt how do you know they didn't get in a fight? Were you there? More likely you just read some article where the guys involved denied it to save their reputations. It's hypocritical for you to call this article BS when the article you read is probably just as likely to be BS. I get annoyed when fans think they know more facts than the media who have NBA sources and insiders, when all you're going by is your own bias and personal opinion.
If you knew the sun and what they report than you probably wouldn't say that. When Antonio Davis' wife was overheard saying something by sun reporters in a joking manner they turnered around and said they were going to publish it to her. Her response at the time - "so i guess you'll just publish anything huh?" them- "yep". She even offered to explain her comments to them and the context (which they already understood) before they went to publish them. Instread, she ends up telling the story the next day on the Fan 590 because the journalists were more interested in having a newsbreaking story than something that was accurate. The sun is not even a legit paper, it's crap. Not all media is the same quality, and everyone has their different slant on things. This accusation could be true or false, but you can't just say stuff like "inside sources" and assume that everything the paper prints is correct.
