One more week left till we have to wait till after the season right? Anyone got any inside info on this?
If you watch ESPN, you'll know something if Stephen A. Smith says Dunleavy won't get an extension, because it means he will.
I wouldn't have thought Dunleavy would get an extension this year, but then again, I didn't think Richardson and Murphy would get extensions last year. My gut tells me no, but Mullin's track record says it's more likely than not. If you're looking for numbers, all I've heard is that they're using Tayshaun Prince's 5 year 45 mil deal as a measuring stick. So unless Mullin reverts to the same Mullin who signed Foyle and Fisher to their massive deals, it should be less than 45 mil. I'd say a fair price for Dunleavy is somewhere in the 30-33 mil range over 5 years.
I think Prince's deal came at a discount because it is to play for a contending team. I think if Prince was a FA he could have commanded a much heftier contract deal...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">I would love to have Prince wearing a Warriors uniform... would be a massive upgrade over Dunleavy.</div> No kidding, but that is not going to happen now...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting wtwalker77:</div><div class="quote_post">I wouldn't have thought Dunleavy would get an extension this year, but then again, I didn't think Richardson and Murphy would get extensions last year. My gut tells me no, but Mullin's track record says it's more likely than not. If you're looking for numbers, all I've heard is that they're using Tayshaun Prince's 5 year 45 mil deal as a measuring stick. So unless Mullin reverts to the same Mullin who signed Foyle and Fisher to their massive deals, it should be less than 45 mil. I'd say a fair price for Dunleavy is somewhere in the 30-33 mil range over 5 years.</div> I think 6 mil a year is fair, although some would say he's worth only 5 since what he does isn't that noticeable to the casual fan. I think the concept that Prince being used as a measuring stick for Dunleavy's payday is like using a Ferrari to judge the value of a Fiat. It's not that I think that highly of Tayshaun Prince nor am I bashing Dunleavy, but it's to illustrate an hastily thought example of which of the two Italian cars appeal more and which one should be valued a lot less for obvious reasons. Dun and Prince are obviously not the same type of player even though they play the same position and are kinda long and not all that bulky and do a lot of things well (dribble/pass/shoot, etc). However, if we switched small forwards where the Warriors got Prince and the Pistons got Dunleavy, I think we'd know right away which guy Larry Brown would have parked next to Darko. Prince can obviously do more right now on both ends of the floor and get to the rim without any problem. He's an athletic, very tall, all around role player, and can play several positions. Dunleavy is a versatile, all around guy as well, but his weaknesses are primarily those things that Tayshaun excels at with being able to get to the rim and play tough defense. Dunleavy is also very inconsistent which decreases his value as this walking offensive nightmare. In order to be 9 mil a year well paid and get away with getting abused off the dribble or burned from the perimeter, he needed to justify that contract by scoring a lot more while making people better on the level of point forwards like Lamar Odom or Grant Hill (crap there's no way we're paying him more than Peja Stojakavic or as much as Rashard Lewis. Detroit definitely overpaid in the context that Prince is not the team's star, but very well could be in a different setup. At least he's got defense covered). So with Dunleavy limited defensively because of his body type, the only way he could one day be on the level of a guy like Lamar Odom or Grant Hill (now) is to draw attention on offense first. If he starts shooting the lights out and drawing defenses out on him, he can find more opportunities for himself and for others without having to find offense in the flow from other players and being this above average role player. Then he could gain enough respect to fake somebody out on a shot to just drive right around them and do 1.) score a layup with either hand 2.) shoot a pull up midrange shot 3.) dish inside to a rolling center for a slam dunk. I don't care if our small forward is as unsexu of a talent like Doug Christie or someone, just as long as they're all around when it comes to defense too and not just shooting and passing. That's if we've accepted the fact/possibility that Dunleavy won't score a great deal more than super role player Shane Battier does. Also, shouldn't Dunleavy take a pay cut since Baron Davis makes him look so good? We've seen how the Warriors are without Baron Davis and it's just plain wasted money if we think Dunleavy by himself is anything more than 6 mil a year.
They probably compare the 2 cause they were in the same draft and play the same position. Just one was a 3rd pick overall and seems like a very bad pick at 3rd overall. And I agree about Baron making him look good. These guys should be thankful, Baron is basically giving them a good contract
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">They probably compare the 2 cause they were in the same draft and play the same position. Just one was a 3rd pick overall and seems like a very bad pick at 3rd overall. And I agree about Baron making him look good. These guys should be thankful, Baron is basically giving them a good contract </div> Dunleavy was a good safe pick, but I wish we could have ditched it in favor of somebody riskier. I mean what we landed was a big fat tweener pick, somebody that was awesome in NCAA, but whose qualities spelled out to me as a slow, finesse role player. Besides, we had Jamison, our closest thing to an all-star at the time before Gilbert Arenas suddenly blew up and became the closest thing to an all-star. A top 3 pick is usually received as something that could dramatically change your franchise and unfortunately 2002 was a lot of promise and a lot of disappointment. Since C/PF and PG are positions that most dramatically affect a franchise (because of the need for inside presence on both ends and combo of scoring/playmaking), I wanted either Yao Ming or Jason Williams, but we got #3 instead! There was a lot of hype to trade down and go for somebody with high potential but they all ended up sucking anyway except for Amare Stoudamire (compared to Kwame Brown/young Jermaine O'neil, did not want to work out with us). Qyntel Woods was no T-mac, Nene kinda sucks if you think about the fact he doesn't really rebound the ball that well and his game is raw, Tskitishvilli (Dirk Nowitzki clone) might have been a better player under the right development, who knows, Chris Wilcox has flashes of being a 16/10 guy but he's just not a basketball player yet, and then Drew Gooden, the bay area native, was too much like an Antwan Jamison repeat of a tweener small forward/power forward without the offensive talent, Caron Butler was hyped to be a Paul Pierce type player out of Uconn, Bostjan Nachbar was considered to be a Peja Stojakavic lite, etc. Then you got later round picks that turned out to be decent and promising like Prince (was described as a SF/PF that could block shots and shoot like a Donyell Marshall), Nenad Kristic (think non-defensive Andris Biedrins but with way better offensive game), Carlos Boozer who turned out to be better than advertised (especially the fact he's way more athletic than scouts gave him credit for and he just moves well for a 270 lb 6'9 guy). Also we didn't get a chance to sign Steve Logan who was going to be our scoring point guard/playmaker in the mold of Timbug Hardaway without the smooth crossover or ballhandling moves. Waste of high 2nd round pick because of stupid Steve Logan's agent trying to play hardball when he's in no position to negotiate.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Also we didn't get a chance to sign Steve Logan who was going to be our scoring point guard/playmaker in the mold of Timbug Hardaway without the smooth crossover or ballhandling moves. Waste of high 2nd round pick because of stupid Steve Logan's agent trying to play hardball when he's in no position to negotiate.</div> Whatever happened to Steve Logan? Wow, that draft seems like ages ago... I think Dunleavy will end up being the most successful out of the Duke bunch... Williams, Boozer, him... if not be default...accident, stupid move leaving Lebron... I think he'll be getting somewhere between 40 to 45 over 5 years. With him in place the W's will have BD, JR, Murph, and Dun together collectively for the next 4 years. Is that right?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting YayAreaFanatic:</div><div class="quote_post">Whatever happened to Steve Logan? Wow, that draft seems like ages ago... I think Dunleavy will end up being the most successful out of the Duke bunch... Williams, Boozer, him... if not be default...accident, stupid move leaving Lebron... I think he'll be getting somewhere between 40 to 45 over 5 years. With him in place the W's will have BD, JR, Murph, and Dun together collectively for the next 4 years. Is that right?</div> I think Logan was playing in Israel, but he could be playing in Europe now. I don't think he's made much noise but then again Charles "Spider" Smith is considered a star in Europe and people don't even know who he is or really have heard what he's been doing over there. Smith plays for Portland now. Yeah, the Duke crowd has no luck. Bobby Hurley, Cherokee Parks, Danny Ferry... busts in the NBA, then there's the guys who were good or great but got injured like Jason "Jay" Williams and Grant Hill (ankle). Christian Laetner was a nice overhyped 16/8 player for awhile but was more famous for his college years. Only guys I really am sold on are power guard Corey Maggette and power forward Elton Brand. Boozer is good. Dunleavy, I like him when he's showing his dynamic game, which isn't often. I like Battier more for his personality and clutchness than his talent. Oh yeah, on Carlos Boozer, I like how Jrich bounced the ball off his shiny dome and a shot a three pointer during the sophmore-rookie allstar game. Now if Jrich could find some way to volunteer him for an off the head bounce to himself in the slam dunk contest he wouldn't have to rely on that nearly impossible 360, off the glass, between his legs dunk he tried to beat Fred Jones with (I already considered Fred Jones technically beat since Jrich had two of the sickest dunks of the night, one including an off the backboard, catch, between the legs dunk).
$9 mill is a lot of money. A guy pretty much has to be in the top tier at some part of the game,scoring,D,Boards,playmaker,or it's very risky. Who else is seeing Dunleavy as more than a $6 Mill guy? If ANYONE saw him as a $9 mill per player-there would be teams trying to deal for him,there would be trade threads with fans trying to get him. They try to get Pietrus,or Murphy,even Biedrens,but Dun shows up as the reason a team gives a short contract journeyman for Fisher,Dunleavy is the worm,Fish is the hook and all we get is a bluegill. A coveted played won't be in that kind of deal. Agents can dream,can make claims,but in this NBA,a team can't bog down with a lot of excessive contracts. In a year Dunleavy can test the market as a restricted. He could try for unrestricted in 2 yr. Even then,how many teams will give up all their cap space for Dunleavy? Now,at $9 mill? At $5 mill,or a little more? we can talk.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting REREM:</div><div class="quote_post">$9 mill is a lot of money. A guy pretty much has to be in the top tier at some part of the game,scoring,D,Boards,playmaker,or it's very risky. Who else is seeing Dunleavy as more than a $6 Mill guy? If ANYONE saw him as a $9 mill per player-there would be teams trying to deal for him,there would be trade threads with fans trying to get him. They try to get Pietrus,or Murphy,even Biedrens,but Dun shows up as the reason a team gives a short contract journeyman for Fisher,Dunleavy is the worm,Fish is the hook and all we get is a bluegill. A coveted played won't be in that kind of deal. Agents can dream,can make claims,but in this NBA,a team can't bog down with a lot of excessive contracts. In a year Dunleavy can test the market as a restricted. He could try for unrestricted in 2 yr. Even then,how many teams will give up all their cap space for Dunleavy? Now,at $9 mill? At $5 mill,or a little more? we can talk.</div> Well said REREM. I think Dunleavy has potential to be a decent dynamic player, but he has to prove it this year or else there needs to be a better solution through free agency where we can possibly get a guy that will support what this team needs most: defense, consistent contribution, ability to chip in what Baron Davis and Richardson cannot. Either free agency or go through trades or next year's draft. If we're lucky we might come across some underrated Danny Granger type player or Joe Johnson in a later round pick (if next year's draft is deep again). Actually, I feel almost safe to book it since there are some GM's that just draft so horribly it leaves a lot of good talented, smart wing players open for the later teams. Maybe we'll land a Tayshaun Prince, who knows. All I know is not too many guys in today's nba get away with being slow unless they're an incredible shot or they use their size and strength well along with their decision making skills. Above all else, they need to play with aggressiveness and sense of urgency if they want to stand out. I also think too much of how we play in the past is laid back when it should match the tone of our franchise player who is indeed very athletic, very strong, and very energetic. It's probably why, Pietrus, despite all of his faults, is Baron's kind of guy because he'll get down and dirty, he'll launch, he'll go left. Hopefully, there's a better example of a type of defensive/offensive basketball player who can play with the energy/quick decision making that Baron emulates and admires (of course more consistent shooting). I guess the bottom line is also that he likes players that know how to play the game like Troy Murphy, Jason Richardson and Mike Dunleavy. I guess we'll figure out how to make sense of this patchwork quilt of a team we still have in due time. The only thing successful about our team is we have a playmaker that really sets the tone and can't be taken out of the game and another guy that is semi- on that level. We also have a league top rebounder and a shotblocking machine that could emulate Theo Ratliff some nights. Then we have a glue guy who can be inconsistent and is debatable how much better he makes his teammates. Some pieces are still in the works before we call ourselves a lock for the playoffs. We also have a young talented bench that has the potential to be impact players one day (Biedrins, Diogu, Taft, Pietrus, Ellis, Zarko, etc). I'm not sure about Zarko being more than a utility guy but he is quite an offensive player on the right matchup.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">The 3pt shot went in with 1 sec left on the shot clock also.</div> Value Added Clutchness!
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">$9 mill is a lot of money. A guy pretty much has to be in the top tier at some part of the game,scoring,D,Boards,playmaker,or it's very risky. Who else is seeing Dunleavy as more than a $6 Mill guy?</div> I miss typed, plus my brain was pretty fried after a few hours of studying for the GRE's. Yeah, I agree, Dun is worth about 30 to 35 over a 5 or 6 year contract. I'm hoping his "barnett-hyped-up-game" translates into good play on both ends of the court. I'm also hoping that Mully took some time and showed him how a slower player can still play good defense. Mully had some awesome timing with his hands to strip the ball back in the day. Also, with a healthy Foyle and a bit more trust, the W's should be able to play a good brand of defense that's based on having protection at the basket. That way, the guards and Dun can play a bit more aggressively when lunging and swiping for steals.
