I was thinking $36-38 ideally. The more I think about it the more I don't like the $45 amount. Add that to Murph's contract. What's that over $100 million for Dunleavey and Murphy? $150 for Dun, Murph, and Foyle? Is it just me or is that pretty disconcerting? This can still all end up very very bad I'm afraid.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hipokrat_x(LV):</div><div class="quote_post">I gues there was not much of a choice for Mullin. Keep Pietrus or Dun, and if I have to chose, then I go with dun... Would 40 mil deal make any diference?</div> Whether 44 mils or 40 mils, it won't make that much of difference. Overpaying Dunlevy is a problem, but far bigger problem is that there is no reason for us to resign Dunleavy right now, because whether we sign him right now or next year, there is no real disadvantage for us. Besides, except last 1/4 of the season, we really don't know how either Dunleavy or Pietrus would work with Davis. So, we need some evaluation time, and we could have gotten it if Mullin didn't decide who's better fit prematurely. Now, Pietrus is most likely gone one way or the other...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Kwan1031:</div><div class="quote_post">Whether 44 mils or 40 mils, it won't make that much of difference. Overpaying Dunlevy is a problem, but far bigger problem is that there is no reason for us to resign Dunleavy right now, because whether we sign him right now or next year, there is no real disadvantage for us. Besides, except last 1/4 of the season, we really don't know how either Dunleavy or Pietrus would work with Davis. So, we need some evaluation time, and we could have gotten it if Mullin didn't decide who's better fit prematurely. Now, Pietrus is most likely gone one way or the other...</div> Well, we also hold Pietrus' bird rights, but it comes all down to how much Cohan is willing to open up that pocket book and the possible luxury tax that might happen. Pietrus also says he didn't mind being a bench guy as long as he's seeing important minutes. Ginobilli came off the bench a few times as well so I see Pietrus as being that same type of high energy guy that can do a lot of things. When he starts being able to see the floor real well and passing, watch out!
What Dun lacks in potential for defense or being a consistent scorer, he makes up with the overrated/underrated ability to make others better (especially when there's a big guy to dump the ball into inside). He'll also recognize a situation and do the things that very few fans really notice like box out, coming over to help out, moving off the ball, making smart decisions in an organized offense (ha we're not that organized and yes Baron is that creative). It's going to suck listening to games on TV with Jim Barnett for the next 5 years... Damn... Let the Barnett Dunleavy whackfest continue and let the near highest opponent fg% rise!
It will be interesting to see how Pietrus will react, now that it is almost a fact, that this is his last season with Warriors. Will he try to play up his value, or slow down in his progress. Now we can only gues how things would go if Mullin would not rush things with Dun. Than again he would have the perfect aliby, if Dun would have a bad season, the big pressure that his contract is not extended. Maybe Mullin played it safe, cuz what if somebody sudnely would offer more...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting custodianrules2:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, we also hold Pietrus' bird rights, but it comes all down to how much Cohan is willing to open up that pocket book and the possible luxury tax that might happen. Pietrus also says he didn't mind being a bench guy as long as he's seeing important minutes. Ginobilli came off the bench a few times as well so I see Pietrus as being that same type of high energy guy that can do a lot of things. When he starts being able to see the floor real well and passing, watch out!</div> Starting from next year, Cohan has to open up his check to sign a luxury tax, whether he likes or not. Next season, our guarenteed contracts are already above luxury tax line, and it only gets worse about 4-7 mils per year due to increse of existing salaries. Increase of existing salary alone will be like signing a player like Pietrus every year. If we pay 10 mils luxury tax, which is quite stretch to begin with, we will be top 5 team in salary. However, even that won't be enough to cover Pietrus' extension and increased salaries. At this point, we really do need significant salary dump to just to survive, and if Cohan refuses to pay luxury tax, you will see hell breaking loose...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">Bye bye Fisher</div> And Pietrus.... But we can still have him around for 2 more seasons if we want to.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting hipokrat_x(LV):</div><div class="quote_post">It will be interesting to see how Pietrus will react, now that it is almost a fact, that this is his last season with Warriors. Will he try to play up his value, or slow down in his progress. Now we can only gues how things would go if Mullin would not rush things with Dun. Than again he would have the perfect aliby, if Dun would have a bad season, the big pressure that his contract is not extended. Maybe Mullin played it safe, cuz what if somebody sudnely would offer more... </div> Well, one thing about former players that are current GM's is that they'll relate what it's like to play without guaranteed money going into your best years as a player. You have to be constantly on and you're not just worried about winning the game, but also your stats. Those type of former player GM's will do what it takes to make sure the players have have no excuses going into a playoff run. Dunleavy can be free to play hard and not worry about some heart or knee complication. This type of mentality can be helpful toward the players, but damaging to a franchise if it ruins flexibility for a team to make moves or other additions. What makes me concerned is that our defense and inside play sucks and Dunleavy hasn't shown enough to impress. He just isn't one of those guys that can play defense against most nba matchups or score very well against them consistently. He also makes no use of his size in the post because he's never been a student of that style of play unless he's at guard. A 6'10 outside shooting/playmaking small forward that can't bust up defenses with ballhandling skills or post up on other small forwards is like having a car with one of those air bags that has a chance to save lives or kill somebody like an older person or a child. Potentially, it's a great way to save lives and has saved a few lives, but if the design doesn't improve, it can kill some almost as bad as the steering wheel can because of the hardesss and the explosiveness of which the air bag shoots out toward the face. Let's just say Dunleavy will do what he can to help the team no matter what that is, I'm just skeptical of things he'll do to hurt the team by occupying all that money for that many years and if he doesn't improve his flaws. It goes that way with all players being signed, but Dunleavy just doesn't impress widely or consistently enough in those "test trials" we call the last 2 and a half years. We might need a new "air bag" if the car we're driving can't avoid going into a tree. Luckily, Baron is driving the car and Mullin built it out of St. Jean's picks.
We'll find out soon enough. For my birthday I buy myself something every year, this season it was home opener tickets in the lower bowl. My brother's birthday is 4 days later and he bought us lower bowl seats for the Friday game It was either that or getting a 4 game pack up top, but I figure, I can catch all the games on TV, so might as well splurge a little. By the way, you can get pretty good prices on tickets on eBay if you're patient. My word to the die hards and regulars: Don't let this signing bring you down. I think it was too much too soon, but I believe in my heart that Mullin has a plan to move Murphy, which I'm ok with. Muphy looked like he had a little hop to his step which means those double doubles that look better than actually contributing to team defense and offensive put backs should inflate his trade value. Don't forget that everyone on the team has value somewhere... even Cheaney's contract expires next season. Let's go Warriors. Time to play ball and stop all this off season chatter
good point CH. We won't really know the true impact of this deal until about two years from now. And many many things can change before then. Can't wait for tomorrow fellas!!!
Remember, Bird couldn't guard anyone either. Just watched a bit of the 1987 Finals and Bird was getting absolutely torched by AC Green.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting philsmith75:</div><div class="quote_post">Remember, Bird couldn't guard anyone either. Just watched a bit of the 1987 Finals and Bird was getting absolutely torched by AC Green.</div> Thats ok if you put up 25+pts per game!
You can trust Bird that he can carry the team day in and day out. You can trust Dunleavy that he is capable of giving career night to players he is defending day in and day out. I know you are a big fan of Bird, but come on. Bird and Dunleavy comparison ended long time ago...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AnimeFANatic:</div><div class="quote_post">Dude, never ever compare Bird to Dunleavy...</div> I wouldn't compare Dunleavy to Bird just yet for obvious reasons. It's like comparing a red Ford Focus to a Red Ferrari. Yeah they're both cars, they're both red, they both get you from point A to point B, but there are differences. But apparently lots of people besides Jim Barnett and think he's a late bloomer and will become "Bird like" or the closest thing to him. http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/mikedunleavy.htm I guess the mustache he was trying to grow was sort of making sense. Now he just needs to not cross his legs when he sips his wine and start getting more aggressive and competitive like Larry Bird. If he can master the stepback midrange jumper and just start poppin' threes like it's nobody's business while dishing out assists and snagging rebounds, he'll be awesome. That's the hope and long shot.
