is melo going to end up like glen robinson's stats?

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  1. Bobcats

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    Your right, he had no distractions heading into this season, and he looks a lot better than he did at this point last year.
     
  2. Mr.Wade

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    Why are people still comparing and arguing about Lebron and Melo... really.

    There's no question Lebron is much better than Melo, and Melo won't be the same player. No point in arguing that fact.

    Melo will be an allstar, it'll just take discipline and good coaching. He is talented and has skill. He might not end up the next big superstar like some hyped him up to be, but hey, not everyone is a superstar in this league.
     
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    ^ I wouldn't say "much better" but "more complete" instead. Think Melo can't average 28 pts the way LeBron does? Just because LeBron has got more hops and is in more highlights doesn't mean he's that much better when at the end of the day a highlight dunk still equals a daily dunk = 2 points.

    LeBron is playing where the offense goes through him, while Melo is playing in a free-flowing offense where not one guy initiates it but all the five guys are responsible for the offense to go.

    I'd love to see a game where Melo gets the ball on every possession and decides what to do with it. I can see 28 pts, 8 rbds, and at least 5 assists easily. Maybe he'll do it in a less spectacular fashion than LeBron but he'll get those stats anyday, that's I think where the comparison came from not only because they have similar builds.
     
  4. ktrulez

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    melo has a big ego... enough said... he was mad that he got benched in the USA olympics and bron played more than him... he hates it that bron got drafted higher than him... and he hates the fact that wade is gettin' more exposure than his ugly play.
     
  5. TheAnswer2

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    #23....Very true. I can tell you're a fan. It's about time he started play in like this, you think it has something to do with Karl?
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">^ I wouldn't say "much better" but "more complete" instead. Think Melo can't average 28 pts the way LeBron does? Just because LeBron has got more hops and is in more highlights doesn't mean he's that much better when at the end of the day a highlight dunk still equals a daily dunk = 2 points. </div>
    ...what does dunking have to do with anything? Lebron is a better scorer, shooter [now he is], rebounder, passer, defender [even though he's nothing special defensively], and more efficient player. Melo can get up there in scoring and rebounding, but outside of that get's basically destroyed in every other area.


    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">LeBron is playing where the offense goes through him, while Melo is playing in a free-flowing offense where not one guy initiates it but all the five guys are responsible for the offense to go.

    I'd love to see a game where Melo gets the ball on every possession and decides what to do with it. I can see 28 pts, 8 rbds, and at least 5 assists easily. Maybe he'll do it in a less spectacular fashion than LeBron but he'll get those stats anyday, that's I think where the comparison came from not only because they have similar builds.</div>
    Carmelo is in a free flowing offense and doesn't have the ball as much, but he's averaging more turnovers. So if you gave him the ball every posession, should you also expect 5 TPG instead of 3? Also what does him getting the ball every posession have to do with an increase in his RPG?

    He won't score in a less spectacular fashion, but also in a less efficient fashing that isn't as beneficial to the team.
     
  7. purpleb0n9

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    Well I believe there're people (and many of them) who think LeBron is that "much better" than Melo but this is because he appears more in highlights and endorsements.

    Would I buy a product that is advertised on TV vs. another product that is not? Of course I will choose the former. I believe this is the thinking that because they see LeBron more than they see Melo, he's that much better when in reality if they go one-on-one would you put your ranch on LeBron?

    About the increase in his rebounding, it's possible when you have control of the offensive end, where players naturally get up for. For instance, why is there such a thing as "give the big men their lay-ups early in the game so they will work hard on the other end (rebounding and blocking shots)"? It's because once they score points, they get them started to do the work on the other end. I believe with additional possessions and points, Melo can be a more effective defender/ rebounder.

    What's with turnovers? 3 TO thesedays are pretty common, do you know Dwyane Wade, another "much better" player than Melo is averaging 4.11 turnovers? But of course, you're og15 the stats guy.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Mr.Wade:</div><div class="quote_post">Why are people still comparing and arguing about Lebron and Melo... really.

    There's no question Lebron is much better than Melo, and Melo won't be the same player. No point in arguing that fact.

    Melo will be an allstar, it'll just take discipline and good coaching. He is talented and has skill. He might not end up the next big superstar like some hyped him up to be, but hey, not everyone is a superstar in this league.</div>

    Because we can. That's a feature of this site...to debate.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting og15:</div><div class="quote_post">Carmelo is in a free flowing offense and doesn't have the ball as much, but he's averaging more turnovers. So if you gave him the ball every posession, should you also expect 5 TPG instead of 3? Also what does him getting the ball every posession have to do with an increase in his RPG?

    He won't score in a less spectacular fashion, but also in a less efficient fashing that isn't as beneficial to the team.</div>

    Isn't he averaging 20 in like 15 shots a game?
     
  9. Chutney

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting purpleb0n9:</div><div class="quote_post">About the increase in his rebounding, it's possible when you have control of the offensive end, where players naturally get up for. For instance, why is there such a thing as "give the big men their lay-ups early in the game so they will work hard on the other end (rebounding and blocking shots)"? It's because once they score points, they get them started to do the work on the other end. I believe with additional possessions and points, Melo can be a more effective defender/ rebounder.

    What's with turnovers? 3 TO thesedays are pretty common, do you know Dwyane Wade, another "much better" player than Melo is averaging 4.11 turnovers? But of course, you're og15 the stats guy.</div>

    I have to agree with og15 here. You put up the argument that if Carmelo was the focal point of his offense he would be comparable to Lebron. However, you have to realize that if he gets the ball more, he's going to commit more TO's. Also, his rebounds would most likely decrease, since he would be putting up the shots and other players would be rebounding for him. You give them an equal oppurtunity at this point, and Lebron isn't the "more complete player," he's the better player. Highlight reel plays and endorsements have nothing to do with it.

    Now back to the original topic of this thread. I think its a compliment to say that Carmelo is already at, if not above, the level of Robinson. However, his work ethic, especcially to his defense and efficiency, will determine whether or not he can become one of the top players in the league.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">Also, his rebounds would most likely decrease, since he would be putting up the shots and other players would be rebounding for him.</div>

    That's the offensive end, what percentage of total rebounds are offensive in any given average? 30?
     
  11. Chutney

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    That's true, but then again would his defensive rebounding be affected in any way by him being more involved on the offensive end? His defensive rebounding would stay the same, but the decrease in offensive rebounding would still lower his total in the end.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">That's true, but then again would his defensive rebounding be affected in any way by him being more involved on the offensive end? His defensive rebounding would stay the same, but the decrease in offensive rebounding would still lower his total in the end.</div>

    Look, I see what you're saying, but you're acting like rebounding is a skill you have to practice. It's all mental. If Melo had the drive and desire to get 10 rpg, he could do it.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheAnswer2:</div><div class="quote_post">Look, I see what you're saying, but you're acting like rebounding is a skill you have to practice. It's all mental. If Melo had the drive and desire to get 10 rpg, he could do it.</div>
    I agree with you entirely, and that drive is what will seperate him from being another Glen Robinson and being a franchise player. Whether he will ever show that desire is a question that we'll have to wait to answer.

    However, purpleb0n9 was arguing that at this point Lebron and Melo would be comparable if they were in the same situation, which is completely false. That's the only reason I was talking about his stats if he got the ball more.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheAnswer2:</div><div class="quote_post">Look, I see what you're saying, but you're acting like rebounding is a skill you have to practice. It's all mental. If Melo had the drive and desire to get 10 rpg, he could do it.</div>

    It's more than mental, and defensive rebounds are the most overrated stat in basketball.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting ilive4ball:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh of course. Carmelo can't score, pass, and isn't clutch. *SARCASM*


    He doesn't do any of those things to a point that makes him stand out. I wouldn't call him a shooter (Peja, Ray, Redd) a scorer (LeBron, Kobe, Tmac) a passer (Kidd, Nash, Knight). If he's so great why hasn't he made the all-star team when it was in HIS own town, when he's supposed to be the franchise player of HIS team? Thats what i thought get off his jock</div>


    so because melo isn't completely one dimensional he isn't a good player? Peja is a better shooter, he also has no other abilities. knight is a great passer but you'd be a fool if you said that knight was a better player than melo. All-star game? the dude has been in the league for two seasons and he had a bad first half last year. Hometown also doesn't mean much in the all-star game and though he's yet to be in one he's played in playoffs for 2 more seasons than bron has. He's what 21? lay off him
     

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