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  1. duke42d

    duke42d JBB JustBBall Member

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    The hawks Trade

    Al Harringtonfor STeph MARBURY
    and then Atlanta could move Joe Johnson to shooting guard if it acquired Marbury,


    PG Marbury
    SG JOhnson
    SF Williams
    PF Josh Smith
    C PAZA

    PG Marbury
    SG Stadumaire
    SF Johnson
    PF williams
    C PAZA



    ANY MORE TRADE THAT CAN HELP
     
  2. lessthanjake

    lessthanjake JBB JustBBall Member

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    i would do that trade in a second. however, i dont think NY would. although... thomas isn't too sharp...
     
  3. Shapecity

    Shapecity S2/JBB Teamster Staff Member Administrator

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    No way I would do this deal if I'm Atlanta. Marbury's contract prevents the team from signing any free agent for the next 4 years. This team is rebuilding through the draft and free agency, Marbury would slow the development and ruin the plans of this team. Not having salary cap flexibility could also cost the Hawks Josh Childress or Josh Smith down the line.

    The college talent pool for point guards is loaded, so there's no need to worry about that position. Daniel Gibson, Rajon Rondo, Sergio Rodriguez, Ronnie Brewer, Mardy Collins, Dee Brown, Guillermo Diaz just to name a few.

    I think not drafting Chris Paul this year had a lot to do with who's going to be available in the 2006 draft.

    The Hawks should trade Al Harrington for picks or another big man. Zaza is doing great for them, but when he goes to the bench, the dropoff at center is terrible. Harrington is going to have more trade value once the trade deadline comes around. A lot of teams could use him to put them over the top in the post season.
     
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    lessthanjake JBB JustBBall Member

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    ^ good points, i guess. but, marbury if a bonafide star. plain and simple. i really think that, with him, we could win some games.
     
  5. Shapecity

    Shapecity S2/JBB Teamster Staff Member Administrator

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting lessthanjake:</div><div class="quote_post">^ good points, i guess. but, marbury if a bonafide star. plain and simple. i really think that, with him, we could win some games.</div>
    The Hawks would win more games, but they would still be a lottery team. Having a payroll over $50K and not making the post season will only hurt this team down the line. The Hawks just need to be patient and let their guys develop and gain experience, so 2 or 3 years down the line they'll be one of the upcoming teams in the East.
     
  6. rookie789

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    i live in ny so im more of a knick fan and i know isiah would never make steph for al trade, and we need stephon to lead the team if he leaves there would be no other good pg to step in and we already got frye with a lot of potential, taylor, rose at the PF so we dont need al harrington
     
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    lessthanjake JBB JustBBall Member

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    ^ dude, does nate robinson ring a bell?
     
  8. duke42d

    duke42d JBB JustBBall Member

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    we need somebody

    i can't wait on another draft and we would have the worst record in the league and we end up with the 3rd pick in the draft.

    Who worth losing this season and drafting them in college.
    Also who can we trade al for and that can make a difference this year!
     
  9. Char

    Char JBB Nowitzness

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    If we get to draft high enough, I'd bank on Rajon Rondo.
    Acquiring Nate Robinson would be great, because I think he would get a good opportunity to get PT in Atlanta. Nate only needs to play and get a feel for the NBA game. It seems to me the Hawks are a PG and a C away from being legitimate playoff contenders.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">No way I would do this deal if I'm Atlanta. Marbury's contract prevents the team from signing any free agent for the next 4 years. This team is rebuilding through the draft and free agency, Marbury would slow the development and ruin the plans of this team. Not having salary cap flexibility could also cost the Hawks Josh Childress or Josh Smith down the line.

    The college talent pool for point guards is loaded, so there's no need to worry about that position. Daniel Gibson, Rajon Rondo, Sergio Rodriguez, Ronnie Brewer, Mardy Collins, Dee Brown, Guillermo Diaz just to name a few.

    I think not drafting Chris Paul this year had a lot to do with who's going to be available in the 2006 draft.

    The Hawks should trade Al Harrington for picks or another big man. Zaza is doing great for them, but when he goes to the bench, the dropoff at center is terrible. Harrington is going to have more trade value once the trade deadline comes around. A lot of teams could use him to put them over the top in the post season.</div>

    im agree with you but i dont know if wnat josh smith or josh childress down the line if they continue to progress the way they are right now. they are both averaging less than their rookie years. smith has a chance at being a good player but childress will never be good. he is to weak,cant shoot,cant dribble and he tested slower than emeka okafor and other pfs and centers in that draft 2 years ago. i still question why did we draft chillz when we could of got igoudala or deng instead. another thing im still upset about is we could of drafted chris duhon, a pg who established himself as one of the best in college, with the 34th or 37th pick but we picked donta smith and royal ivey instead. we could have igoudala/deng and duhon rite now along with josh smith marvin and company.
     
  11. ROCK4LIFE

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    The Hawks need to do something. I think when a franchise has been bad for so long, they tend to make desperate moves. They tend to throw money at players that don't fit, just because they have talent. Why would you sign Joe Johnson, and have him playing the damn point. That's the worst logic I've heard of. The guy is a GREAT shooter, and beneifts best when he has a point guard feeding him the ball. Not when he's playing point, feeding the ball to players who can't shoot. Right now, the Hawks look like the Knicks. They have tons of talent, but don't have the right mix. They need somebody who's going to feed Joe Johnson the ball.
     
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    AznxBaller JBB Back...

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Why would you sign Joe Johnson, and have him playing the damn point. That's the worst logic I've heard of. The guy is a GREAT shooter, and beneifts best when he has a point guard feeding him the ball. Not when he's playing point, feeding the ball to players who can't shoot. Right now, the Hawks look like the Knicks. They have tons of talent, but don't have the right mix. They need somebody who's going to feed Joe Johnson the ball.</div>
    He doesn't, not anymore anyway. Tyronn Lue is handing much of the point guard duties for now and is actually doing a pretty good job of it. Lue's passing the ball around and occasionally hitting shots so I think it will hold up for now. Correct me if I'm wrong Atlanta fans.
     
  13. duke42d

    duke42d JBB JustBBall Member

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    Lue is alright but he no step/

    Lue does not get any double team are any special attention when he does not have the ball.

    Statudaimare get more attention from other teams def
     
  14. TheAnswer2

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting rookie789:</div><div class="quote_post">i live in ny so im more of a knick fan and i know isiah would never make steph for al trade, and we need stephon to lead the team if he leaves there would be no other good pg to step in and we already got frye with a lot of potential, taylor, rose at the PF so we dont need al harrington</div>

    Rose at the PF? [​IMG]

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Char:</div><div class="quote_post">It seems to me the Hawks are a PG and a C away from being legitimate playoff contenders.</div>

    Maybe a Magic Johnson and Wilt...you're not understanding the Hawks gameplan. They're not aiming for the playoffs, they want young players with potential for the future, you want short term success.

    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting bulldawg03:</div><div class="quote_post">but childress will never be good. he is to weak,cant shoot,cant dribble and he tested slower than emeka okafor and other pfs and centers in that draft 2 years ago. i still question why did we draft chillz when we could of got igoudala or deng instead. another thing im still upset about is we could of drafted chris duhon, a pg who established himself as one of the best in college, with the 34th or 37th pick but we picked donta smith and royal ivey instead. we could have igoudala/deng and duhon rite now along with josh smith marvin and company.</div>

    Oh, and at the time the Hawks had a crystal ball to see how good Iguodala would be AND Duhon. Childress is a professional, so he's already great, what you're saying is that he won't be a standout player.
     
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    bulldawg03 JBB JustBBall Member

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheAnswer2:</div><div class="quote_post">Rose at the PF? [​IMG]



    Maybe a Magic Johnson and Wilt...you're not understanding the Hawks gameplan. They're not aiming for the playoffs, they want young players with potential for the future, you want short term success.



    Oh, and at the time the Hawks had a crystal ball to see how good Iguodala would be AND Duhon. Childress is a professional, so he's already great, what you're saying is that he won't be a standout player.</div>

    neone could of told u igoudala is better than childress before the draft. childress wasent even projected to go top 10 and igoudala was once top 5. and for duhon i knew he would be good so i was hoping we got him.
     
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    i agree man!
     
  17. TheAnswer2

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting bulldawg03:</div><div class="quote_post">neone could of told u igoudala is better than childress before the draft. childress wasent even projected to go top 10 and igoudala was once top 5. and for duhon i knew he would be good so i was hoping we got him.</div>

    Or maybe the hawks HAVE a time machine and they know that someday Childress will be a bigger star than Iguodala.
     
  18. bulldawg03

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheAnswer2:</div><div class="quote_post">Or maybe the hawks HAVE a time machine and they know that someday Childress will be a bigger star than Iguodala.</div>

    wat does this have to do with anything.
     
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    Well what does complaing about Childress have to do with anything either. Iggy was drafted by the Sixers a year and a half ago, get over it.
     

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