Sixers Shouldn't Forget About Iggy On Offense

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  1. Really Lost One

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    <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Because the 76ers defending and rebounding better, they are winning games.

    That is no surprise.

    But the Sixers' offensive balance continues to be a work in progress.

    The Sixers had all five starters in double figures at Indiana a week ago and four more starters with at least 10 points in a victory over the Mavericks on Wednesday.

    Andre Iguodala went into Friday's game against the Lakers having averaged 17 points and shot 76 percent (19-for-25) in the previous three games. He was coming off a career-high 22 points against Dallas.

    Yet Iguodala had no shots in the first half and only three in the game despite logging 47 of a possible 48 minutes.

    That is not right.</div>

    link:http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/134...005-569561.html
     
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    And just the same, Iggy shouldn't forget to assert himself on offense. I like that he focuses so much on the defensive end, but he's gotta make his guy work on the other end too.
     
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    I agree, it has to be a compromise on both sides. I mean Cheeks can only do so much to get Andre involved in the offense, and Andre needs to take that chance and be aggressive. I'm glad he did that in the Clippers game, but he was non-existent on the offensive end when we played the Lakers. I mean he only attempted 4 shots, and one of them was a dunk.

    Like AIFan said, it's good that he wants to be a premier defender in this league, and he is well on his way to becoming one, but he needs to be more aggressive on the offensive end if he wants his game to go to the next level. That is the difference between a guy like Bruce Bowen and Ron Artest. Both are excellent defenders, but Bowen is just a spot-up shooter whereas Artest has a great all-around game.
     
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    I mean, I know it's hard when you've got so many guys who need the ball in thier hands, and maybe AI needs to do a better job of finding Iggy when he's hot. I can't wait to see how AI ages....remember when MJ realized his game was below the rim and became more of a playmaker than a highlight reel? I hope AI can do the same when he starts to lose his speed. I wanna see AI do like MJ did, take over only when it's needed.
     
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    I agree, but that might be a little more difficult for Iverson to do. He doesn't have the same shot that Jordan had, but I can see him becoming more of a distributor once he loses a step. But, again, even if Iverson loses a step he's still a lot quicker than most of the players in this league. He also said that once he feels he's hurting the team, he'll just hang them up.

    As far as AI setting up Iguodala, it seems as if they don't have the same chemistry they had towards the end of last year. You used to see atleast two alley-oops from AI to AI towards the end of the season last year, and now it barely happens. Hopefully Iguodala can get more aggressive offensively and hopefully Iverson helps facilitate him on that end of the floor.

    I hope Iverson plays the way he did against the Clippers. He scored 28 points on 20 shots, and that is as efficient of a game that he is going to have, and he dished out 10 assists. He needs to cut his shots down to about 20 per game and bump his assists up with all the offensive weapons we have. I think we'd be an even better team if that happens.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting BigMo763:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree, but that might be a little more difficult for Iverson to do. He doesn't have the same shot that Jordan had, but I can see him becoming more of a distributor once he loses a step. But, again, even if Iverson loses a step he's still a lot quicker than most of the players in this league. He also said that once he feels he's hurting the team, he'll just hang them up.

    As far as AI setting up Iguodala, it seems as if they don't have the same chemistry they had towards the end of last year. You used to see atleast two alley-oops from AI to AI towards the end of the season last year, and now it barely happens. Hopefully Iguodala can get more aggressive offensively and hopefully Iverson helps facilitate him on that end of the floor.

    I hope Iverson plays the way he did against the Clippers. He scored 28 points on 20 shots, and that is as efficient of a game that he is going to have, and he dished out 10 assists. He needs to cut his shots down to about 20 per game and bump his assists up with all the offensive weapons we have. I think we'd be an even better team if that happens.</div>
    It's easy to place blame, as I kinda did, but in the end you gotta make things happen for yourself when you're on the floor. Within the gameplan, of course. But one thing I noticed the other day was guys standing around on offense. That has got to stop. All it's gonna do is force AI to make something happen. I can't wait to see Iggy shut somebody down on D while still gettin' off for 20 or better.
     
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    This is the kind of performance we need from Iggy consistently...against the Raps tonight he scored 26 pts and grabbed 10 boards on 8 of 11 shooting. That's what's up Iggy!
     
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    Iguodala is really showing us how much work he has put into his game since he got into the league. He hit six threes agains the Raptors today! Remember when he first came into the league the biggest knock on him was that he couldn't shoot? What a worker, this guy is a winner.
     
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    and also, his 26 pts is a career high!!!
     
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    This is one thing I dislike about the 76ers right now they need to make Iguodala a consistent offensive weapon in everyone of their games. He could very well be a all-star this year if they let him get as many shots as he did this game, every contest. However, some games they just forget about him on offense, and don’t give him the ball it annoys the hell out of me.
     
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    Agreed, but that will come with time, in my opinion. It is still early in the season. Last year Iguodala really didn't "take off" until around the All-Star break. He'll get around 15 points a night, in my opinion. He also doesn't have the scorer's mentality... he's just as content with setting up a teammate for an easy bucket as he is with getting a bucket of his own.

    The one thing we need though is for him and Korver to step up on the nights that either AI or Webber are off.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Best Kept Secret:</div><div class="quote_post">This is one thing I dislike about the 76ers right now they need to make Iguodala a consistent offensive weapon in everyone of their games. He could very well be a all-star this year if they let him get as many shots as he did this game, every contest. However, some games they just forget about him on offense, and don?t give him the ball it annoys the hell out of me.</div>
    out of the 9 games they've played, he's taken double digit shots 3 times, followed by 9,8,7,5,4,3. It's not just about shots, it's about him knocking them down too. Last night he went off uncharacteristically, of his 11 shots, 8, yes 8, were 3 pointers, and he knocked down 6 of them!! If he could even give half of that night in and night out just imagine the dilemma other teams would have to deal with when facing us. He hadn't taken more than 1 3 pointer in either of the previous games, and he had only made 1 prior to last night, he was feeling it. We all know, you aren't gonna be hot like that everytime you step on the court but I think he's definitely capable of giving a consistent 15 and 8 to go on top of the good defense.
     
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    Iggy really doesn't have the energy every night to play 35 minutes, get his offensive game going, and guard the other teams top perimeter player. When we're playing a team with a big superstar he concentrates all his energy on the defensive end to stop them. When we're playing a team with no perimeter all-star then Iggy goes all out on offense and does a good job.

    Sixers can't afford to lose this talent. Best rookie since Iverson for the Sixers.
     
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    It is tough to say he needs mnore shots when you consider he'll be taking them from Webber and Iverson. It is hard to take shots from MVP caliber players (Webber was MVP caliber for years) based on potential. Very few in this league are the best defenders on the team and put up major points. THat is why Kobe, Artest, Pippen, Jordan, Payton are special. Otherwise they are just RUben Patterson
     
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    I read he was working on his offensive game during the summer, and so far I haven't seen that much improvement, but I'm not worried, if he's been putting in work then he has. With his athleticism he is capable of developing any kind of offensive game plan, an inside around-the-rim player or a mid-range shooter, or like Kobe with the outside to inside game.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheAnswer2:</div><div class="quote_post">I read he was working on his offensive game during the summer, and so far I haven't seen that much improvement, but I'm not worried, if he's been putting in work then he has. With his athleticism he is capable of developing any kind of offensive game plan, an inside around-the-rim player or a mid-range shooter, or like Kobe with the outside to inside game.</div>
    not much improvement? are you kidding me? im not trying to sound mean or anything, but have you watched any sixers games lately? last year, all this guy could do is pretty much dunk the ball and occasionally hit the open shot. but now, he can create his own shot, drive, and he even has range! he even had a 26 point game this season! i suggest you watch some more sixer games, you can clearly see an improvement.
     
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    I have to agree with Phila on this one if you have yet to see in improvement in Andre Iguodala?s game this season you not been watching 76ers games. his shot is remarkable improved he is shooting 50% from beyond the arc, and he has also become better at creating shots for himself off the dribble. He is second on our team in rebounding which is incredible testament to how great a player he is when a guard is ranked that high on your team in rebounding he is doing something right. Iguodala had 15 points last night in limited minutes due to the blow out. He barely played in the second half or could have had over twenty points. He is much better this season no question anyone could see it.
     
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    <div class="quote_poster">Quoting phiLA:</div><div class="quote_post">not much improvement? are you kidding me? im not trying to sound mean or anything, but have you watched any sixers games lately? last year, all this guy could do is pretty much dunk the ball and occasionally hit the open shot. but now, he can create his own shot, drive, and he even has range! he even had a 26 point game this season! i suggest you watch some more sixer games, you can clearly see an improvement.</div>

    Hey buddy...chill out, it's the first month of the season, if he's still doing this in December then I'll admit the kid is doing his thing, but he could be busting out of the gate like a lot of other players...AI for one.
     
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    Just because it is the start of the season doesn't dismiss the fact that Andre is playing a lot better on the offensive side of the ball. How have you not seen much improvement when he is already doing much better then he played last season? Andre is top five in field goal percentage, and his average points per game have gone up significantly, not to mention he is hitting the outside jumper with pretty good consistency. I'm not saying he has exploded on offense, but he is definitely a lot more agressive and is playing well. I just don't understan how you haven't seen much improvement, in my opinion his progress is clear so far, even though it is just the first month of the season.
     

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